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I guess "7th is the most balance edition evar!" has been proven wrong.

Don't bother buying Corvus Belli's stuff.

Seriously.
We're now over half a year from the release of N3 and they have actually released more models which didn't get profiles at the launch than they have of anything within the book itself.

 Sillycybin wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Well, 7th was fun while it lasted.


bye everyone!

Same here, cancelling skittarii order and switching to 30k permanently.

I don't understand why people say things like this. This is mainly a building, painting and casual gaming hobby for fans of the warhammer 40k universe.

Games are social contracts between two people, meaning if someone is rocking you to hard constantly, you can simply ask them to tone it down and change their list.

You could not have been seriously involved in the hobby if your willing to drop it because of a change that is rumoured to occur in one edition, of (presumably) the many that an involved fan has played.

a little light of sensible to cut through the whining negativity. Have an exalt chap

It might be worth noting, as I've tried putting a few things together. The Ghostglaive is now S, but only in the hands of the Wraithknight, as some people have seen. So the Wraithlord gets the +1 S, mastercrafted, whatever it's rules are, but is also has the Destroyer rule.

That being said, on Natfka, the latest post has said that weapons with the "Distort" special rule also have the "Destroyer" special rule, which effects 2 weapons: The Heavy Wraithcannon and the Ghostglaive.

So as it stands, the old Distort rule will most likely be the same, or have some tweak, but will all have a special rule that essentially reads "while in the hands of a gargantuan creature, it's S becomes D" or something along those lines. So it's only the Wraithknight that'll be sporting S weapons (Which, I've come to terms with, as it fits the model). Also, this seems to be the only logical outcome.

I don't know if it's been mentioned earlier in this thread, as it's hard to keep up with, but I figured I'd put in my 2 cents.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

With Infinity I take my copy of Operation Icestorm to my friend's house. One small box, 10 minutes to set up, no rules debates, tight ruleset, rules in one place [or freely downloadable]. Games last about 30 mins. Armies are balanced. Fun times again.

If you're saying "tight ruleset" in regards to Infinity, you and I have a VERY different definition of "tight ruleset".

And 30 minutes for a game? What are you guys playing, 100 points and no objectives?

30 - 40 minutes for a 300 point game seems fair assessment. :-/

That makes sense to me. Only D in the hands of a Knight, and maybe on a weapons platform (vaul) or vehicle ... that would be supported by the photo saying more D than anyone else

Wishlisting now though.... i would love standard wraithcannon (NO D!!!) available to wraithlords. Ever since i saw a lord built like a wraithguard i have wanted an excuse to do some for myself

 Knight wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

With Infinity I take my copy of Operation Icestorm to my friend's house. One small box, 10 minutes to set up, no rules debates, tight ruleset, rules in one place [or freely downloadable]. Games last about 30 mins. Armies are balanced. Fun times again.

If you're saying "tight ruleset" in regards to Infinity, you and I have a VERY different definition of "tight ruleset".

And 30 minutes for a game? What are you guys playing, 100 points and no objectives?

30 - 40 minutes for a 300 point game seems fair assessment.

Hi, welcome to the Eldar Rumor Thread. For those that don't know, Eldar are a race in Warhammer 40k. Congratulations on your involvement with Infinity and I am sure there are boards for discussion about that.

Tired of looking for rumor updates to see talk of a completely different game. Atleast the people upset with the leaks are still talking about 40k...

Any word on more or is the rumor mill going to wind down now that we know everything in the upcoming White Dwarf? Going to be waiting another week or so before the next set of releases get leaked? Do we actually know when the codex is released because the April 18th thing might have been this WD release tease. Or is that the codex dropping?

9unit9 wrote:
That makes sense to me. Only D in the hands of a Knight, and maybe on a weapons platform (vaul) or vehicle ... that would be supported by the photo saying more D than anyone else

Wishlisting now though.... i would love standard wraithcannon (NO D!!!) available to wraithlords. Ever since i saw a lord built like a wraithguard i have wanted an excuse to do some for myself

I doubt the weapons platform. The rumor seems (if it's true) to be along the lines of all the other sources of S so far, which is typically super-heavy walkers. So, having a weapon battery sporting it would be a bit much. But still, having S Melee and ranged options on a GC is still more than everyone else, so it technically isn't a lie.

If the worst is all true, I'd come out of 40k retirement to make a curdled, aged dairy product based Eldar armies. I'd have Jetbikes in various Swiss, American, Feta, and Havarti formations. My Farseer and Warlocks will specialize in Cheddarmancy. My Wraithbrie units will be share their D-lightful capabilities.

And my opponents will like my army if they know what's gouda for them.

 Blacksails wrote:

 Talys wrote:
cardboard terrain

You are aware you can play using non-cardboard terrain correct?

Because that aspect equally applies to 40k.

Your definitions of wargame and boardgame are odd, and I doubt there are many people who agree with your definitions.

Infinity is 100% pure wargame. Your only argument so far seems to be it has a slow release pace and small-ish selection, which is hardly a defining feature of being a wargame.

It's a SciFi miniature game with no themed terrain other than cardboard. Unlike, for example, dropzone.

10-20 miniatures vs 10-20 miniatures doesn't feel like a 'war' to me. That is all I'm saying. In the same way, Battletech and WMH don't feel like they rise to the scale of war; though they are definitely miniature tabletop games.

If it goes on for another 20 years, I'm sure the size will escalate, and it will appeal to me more, then.

You never really answered my question as to why someone who really wasn't super into miniatures would play something like infinity rather than a PC game. I'm not trying to pee on the Corvus Belli parade, and I'm hopeful they will succeed and grow. It just seems so far away before they even have a collection the size of WMH. If ever. If you don't care for more cool miniatures to add on, PC just seems so much more logical.

Anyways, sorry to go off topic. I just got my WD, this week's releases, and preordered some jetbikes, yay! Maybe this will motivate me to paint my wraithguard still brand new in the box.

 TheKbob wrote:
If the worst is all true, I'd come out of 40k retirement to make a curdled, aged dairy product based Eldar armies. I'd have Jetbikes in various Swiss, American, Feta, and Havarti formations. My Farseer and Warlocks will specialize in Cheddarmancy. My Wraithbrie units will be share their D-lightful capabilities.

And my opponents will like my army if they know what's gouda for them.

Probably the cheesiest post I have read to date.

 Talys wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

 Talys wrote:
cardboard terrain

You are aware you can play using non-cardboard terrain correct?

Because that aspect equally applies to 40k.

Your definitions of wargame and boardgame are odd, and I doubt there are many people who agree with your definitions.

Infinity is 100% pure wargame. Your only argument so far seems to be it has a slow release pace and small-ish selection, which is hardly a defining feature of being a wargame.

It's a SciFi miniature game with no themed terrain other than cardboard. Unlike, for example, dropzone.

Whut?

http://shop.microartstudio.com/designed-for-infinity-c-78.html

9unit9 wrote:
That makes sense to me. Only D in the hands of a Knight, and maybe on a weapons platform (vaul) or vehicle ... that would be supported by the photo saying more D than anyone else

Wishlisting now though.... i would love standard wraithcannon (NO D!!!) available to wraithlords. Ever since i saw a lord built like a wraithguard i have wanted an excuse to do some for myself

The photo that brought up this whole thing actually specifically namedrops Wraithguard as having access to Destroyer strength.

 TheKbob wrote:
If the worst is all true, I'd come out of 40k retirement to make a curdled, aged dairy product based Eldar armies. I'd have Jetbikes in various Swiss, American, Feta, and Havarti formations. My Farseer and Warlocks will specialize in Cheddarmancy. My Wraithbrie units will be share their D-lightful capabilities.

And my opponents will like my army if they know what's gouda for them.

lol I just died

Please come out of retirement and fully embrace the sad state of the game, if only just to make a cheese themed army, because that would be awesome.

The jetbikes are OK but a bit odd (too short ?). The Archon on jetbiket is a fail. The autarch is pretty nice (but unfortunately will be overpriced)

just my point of view form these pics...

Would be nice to have a new Guardian/Stromguardian plastic set...

 Kanluwen wrote:

9unit9 wrote:
That makes sense to me. Only D in the hands of a Knight, and maybe on a weapons platform (vaul) or vehicle ... that would be supported by the photo saying more D than anyone else

Wishlisting now though.... i would love standard wraithcannon (NO D!!!) available to wraithlords. Ever since i saw a lord built like a wraithguard i have wanted an excuse to do some for myself

The photo that brought up this whole thing actually specifically namedrops Wraithguard as having access to Destroyer strength.

I actually double checked it, it says they have the most Destroyer weapons, which will be a special rule on Distort weapons. It also says that Wraithknights, Wraithguard, and D-cannons will wreak destructive havoc. Doesn't necessarily mean they have Strength D. They just have the Destroyer rule, which is rumored to be while in the hands of a Wraithknight, it's treated as strength D.

Again, we won't know until the codex, but it doesn't outright say they'll have D weapons. (Strength D, that is.)

 Kanluwen wrote:

9unit9 wrote:
That makes sense to me. Only D in the hands of a Knight, and maybe on a weapons platform (vaul) or vehicle ... that would be supported by the photo saying more D than anyone else

Wishlisting now though.... i would love standard wraithcannon (NO D!!!) available to wraithlords. Ever since i saw a lord built like a wraithguard i have wanted an excuse to do some for myself

The photo that brought up this whole thing actually specifically namedrops Wraithguard as having access to Destroyer strength.

Does it? How did i miss that...? :-(

I am pretty sure that the "Distort" rule is gone, replaced entirely with D. The only reference to Distort will be for the type of weapons. Like how Shuriken weapons include catapults, cannons & pisitols, but "Shuriken" is not a weapon rule. "Bladestorm" is.

Given the WD leaks and GW's mindset of replacing special codex rules with USRs, Distort weapons will be:
Wraithcannons, Heavy Wraithcannons, D-Scythes, Heavy D-scythes & D-cannons. All with have the Destroyer rule.

However, it is entirely possible that they will adjust the AP of some of them. D-Scthes may only be AP4 for example.
the 6 to wound/pen will still ignore saves, but it may not vaporize as squad.

In any case, I think we can expect Wraithguard to be about 45ppm and WraithKnights to be 350+

 Galef wrote:
I am pretty sure that the "Distort" rule is gone, replaced entirely with D. The only reference to Distort will be for the type of weapons.

Like how Shuriken weapons include catapults, cannons & pisitols, but "Shuriken" is not a weapon rules. "Bladestorm" is.

Given the WD leaks and GW's mindset of replacing special codex rules with USRs, Distort weapons will be:

Wraithcannons, Heavy Wraithcannons, D-Scythes, Heavy D-scythes & D-cannons. All with have the Destroyer rule.

However, it is entirely possible that they will adjust the AP of some of them. D-Scthes may only be AP4 for example.

the 6 to wound/pen will still ignore saves, but it may not vaporize as squad.

Keep in mind that (I may be wrong, and correct me if so) that D weapons don't have a special rule called Destroyer. It would appear that Distort is replaced with Destroyer, which I speculate could be one of two things. While in hands of a Wraithknight, they are treated as Strength D, which is possible as the Wraithlord doesn't get strength D CC from the ghostglaive. However, the other option is B. All Distort weapons now have the Destroyer rule instead, and on a to hit roll of 6 (or something along those lines) it is treated as strength D. That would fit the Distort rule, while making it more devastating. It also would fit, as D toting infantry models is ridiculous. And if the latter is true, it might also mean that the Heavy Wraithcannon is the same way, and isn't outright strength D.

 Galef wrote:
I am pretty sure that the "Distort" rule is gone, replaced entirely with D. The only reference to Distort will be for the type of weapons. Like how Shuriken weapons include catapults, cannons & pisitols, but "Shuriken" is not a weapon rule. "Bladestorm" is.

Given the WD leaks and GW's mindset of replacing special codex rules with USRs, Distort weapons will be:
Wraithcannons, Heavy Wraithcannons, D-Scythes, Heavy D-scythes & D-cannons. All with have the Destroyer rule.

However, it is entirely possible that they will adjust the AP of some of them. D-Scthes may only be AP4 for example.
the 6 to wound/pen will still ignore saves, but it may not vaporize as squad.

In any case, I think we can expect Wraithguard to be about 45ppm and WraithKnights to be 350+

Actually, the sidebar quote detailing which units have Destroyer weapons leaves out the Hemlock, so I'm expecting that the D-scythe weapons will be altered in some fashion, and not have access to Destroyer.

That or the whole "6 to wound/pen is treated as a Destroyer weapon" bit will pan out as the truth, in which case they get nastier, but not exponentially so.

 Crablezworth wrote:


lol I just died

Please come out of retirement and fully embrace the sad state of the game, if only just to make a cheese themed army, because that would be awesome.

My Farseer would be The Big Cheese, joined with his protégés, Easy C. And C. Whiz.

Maybe ally in Harvartiquinns who favor the Laughing Cow God.

 TheKbob wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


lol I just died

Please come out of retirement and fully embrace the sad state of the game, if only just to make a cheese themed army, because that would be awesome.

My Farseer would be The Big Cheese, joined with his protégés, Easy C. And C. Whiz.

Maybe ally in Harvartiquinns who favor the Laughing Cow God.

I always knew you were a waac tfg lol

 Crablezworth wrote:

I always knew you were a waac tfg lol

Ain't easy being cheesy.

I'll put a "WAAC LYF" license plate on the Big C. Maybe a "Keep QQ'ing, I'm rerolling!" bumper sticker on the Wraithknight.

Laughing Cow God......priceless

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I am pretty sure that the "Distort" rule is gone, replaced entirely with D. The only reference to Distort will be for the type of weapons.

Like how Shuriken weapons include catapults, cannons & pisitols, but "Shuriken" is not a weapon rules. "Bladestorm" is.

Given the WD leaks and GW's mindset of replacing special codex rules with USRs, Distort weapons will be:

Wraithcannons, Heavy Wraithcannons, D-Scythes, Heavy D-scythes & D-cannons. All with have the Destroyer rule.

However, it is entirely possible that they will adjust the AP of some of them. D-Scthes may only be AP4 for example.

the 6 to wound/pen will still ignore saves, but it may not vaporize as squad.

Keep in mind that (I may be wrong, and correct me if so) that D weapons don't have a special rule called Destroyer. It would appear that Distort is replaced with Destroyer, which I speculate could be one of two things. While in hands of a Wraithknight, they are treated as Strength D, which is possible as the Wraithlord doesn't get strength D CC from the ghostglaive. However, the other option is B. All Distort weapons now have the Destroyer rule instead, and on a to hit roll of 6 (or something along those lines) it is treated as strength D. That would fit the Distort rule, while making it more devastating. It also would fit, as D toting infantry models is ridiculous. And if the latter is true, it might also mean that the Heavy Wraithcannon is the same way, and isn't outright strength D.

As has been mentioned: Str D on a 6 just wouldn't work. The destroyer table replaces the to wound roll and a 1 causes nothing, so you would roll a 6 and then have a chance to not do anything...it just wouldn't work. One of the side bars specifically says eldar have more destroyer weapons than anyone else and then specifically mentions the wraithknight, wraithguard, and d-cannon. Since they are talking about destroyer weapons that others have it's safe to assume they will just be regular destroyer weapons.

That being said I seriously doubt the D-Scythe weapons will become destroyer as that would be totally insane. Maybe they will get a name change or something?

 ronin_cse wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I am pretty sure that the "Distort" rule is gone, replaced entirely with D. The only reference to Distort will be for the type of weapons.

Like how Shuriken weapons include catapults, cannons & pisitols, but "Shuriken" is not a weapon rules. "Bladestorm" is.

Given the WD leaks and GW's mindset of replacing special codex rules with USRs, Distort weapons will be:

Wraithcannons, Heavy Wraithcannons, D-Scythes, Heavy D-scythes & D-cannons. All with have the Destroyer rule.

However, it is entirely possible that they will adjust the AP of some of them. D-Scthes may only be AP4 for example.

the 6 to wound/pen will still ignore saves, but it may not vaporize as squad.

Keep in mind that (I may be wrong, and correct me if so) that D weapons don't have a special rule called Destroyer. It would appear that Distort is replaced with Destroyer, which I speculate could be one of two things. While in hands of a Wraithknight, they are treated as Strength D, which is possible as the Wraithlord doesn't get strength D CC from the ghostglaive. However, the other option is B. All Distort weapons now have the Destroyer rule instead, and on a to hit roll of 6 (or something along those lines) it is treated as strength D. That would fit the Distort rule, while making it more devastating. It also would fit, as D toting infantry models is ridiculous. And if the latter is true, it might also mean that the Heavy Wraithcannon is the same way, and isn't outright strength D.

As has been mentioned: Str D on a 6 just wouldn't work. The destroyer table replaces the to wound roll and a 1 causes nothing, so you would roll a 6 and then have a chance to not do anything...it just wouldn't work. One of the side bars specifically says eldar have more destroyer weapons than anyone else and then specifically mentions the wraithknight, wraithguard, and d-cannon. Since they are talking about destroyer weapons that others have it's safe to assume they will just be regular destroyer weapons.

That being said I seriously doubt the D-Scythe weapons will become destroyer as that would be totally insane. Maybe they will get a name change or something?

That's the thing, it says that the D-Scythes aren't getting it, which are the template versions. So, every other version has a To Hit roll associated with it, meaning it would function like the old Distort, except on a To Hit roll of 6, it's resolved at strength D. Snap shots excluded, of course.

If D replaces the distort rule then it better just activate on a 6. I'd also hope that the wraithknight is 400+ given all it's buffs and comparing it to a knight.

If so I can live with the changes. If not, oi, its going be a tough ride.

 Talys wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

 Talys wrote:
cardboard terrain

You are aware you can play using non-cardboard terrain correct?

Because that aspect equally applies to 40k.

Your definitions of wargame and boardgame are odd, and I doubt there are many people who agree with your definitions.

Infinity is 100% pure wargame. Your only argument so far seems to be it has a slow release pace and small-ish selection, which is hardly a defining feature of being a wargame.

It's a SciFi miniature game with no themed terrain other than cardboard. Unlike, for example, dropzone.

10-20 miniatures vs 10-20 miniatures doesn't feel like a 'war' to me. That is all I'm saying. In the same way, Battletech and WMH don't feel like they rise to the scale of war; though they are definitely miniature tabletop games.

If it goes on for another 20 years, I'm sure the size will escalate, and it will appeal to me more, then.

You never really answered my question as to why someone who really wasn't super into miniatures would play something like infinity rather than a PC game. I'm not trying to pee on the Corvus Belli parade, and I'm hopeful they will succeed and grow. It just seems so far away before they even have a collection the size of WMH. If ever. If you don't care for more cool miniatures to add on, PC just seems so much more logical.

Anyways, sorry to go off topic. I just got my WD, this week's releases, and preordered some jetbikes, yay! Maybe this will motivate me to paint my wraithguard still brand new in the box.

Reason for my post was in response to MWHistorian talking about how the new Eldar dex is an example of the decline of 40k, which I agree with. Almost not worth responding to but I don't play PC games because I like the human interaction - it's an excuse to meet my mates. Sitting around in my own filth playing WoW just doesn't appeal anymore.

Plus, one of the best things about Infinity for me is that it is incredibly easy to own different factions due to the low model count and therefore low price for each army. I'm actually thinking of getting an army of each of the different factions as I'm finding it really hard to settle on one due to the excellent background and models. I've got three already after adding a few bits to OI and buying a Haqqislam starter plus some models I liked the look of. I've only just started, but it seems like you can just buy lots of models that you like the look of and have a pretty competitive army. Try that in 40k. The low model count means that I might actually own a fully painted army one day, something that seems incredibly rare in 40k.

Your point about terrain shows your ignorance, and I CBA to link all of the different Infinity terrain [MDF, hardfoam, resin, and yes, some card] I've got bookmarked ready to spend my hard earned on.

Large scale wargames are great, if you have the time and the patience. I don't have either, with time restraints due to full time job, wife who I like to spend time with when I'm not working etc., and the lack of patience to spend an hour setting up before I roll any dice, and having to wait half an hour or more before I get my go again. I certainly won't miss having to lug my Kaiser3 and scenery bin around.

Anyway I'm not adding much to the Eldar stuff so I'll duck out now. I still recommend giving Infinity a go though; it certainly made me realise how poor 40k was.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 ronin_cse wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I am pretty sure that the "Distort" rule is gone, replaced entirely with D. The only reference to Distort will be for the type of weapons.

Like how Shuriken weapons include catapults, cannons & pisitols, but "Shuriken" is not a weapon rules. "Bladestorm" is.

Given the WD leaks and GW's mindset of replacing special codex rules with USRs, Distort weapons will be:

Wraithcannons, Heavy Wraithcannons, D-Scythes, Heavy D-scythes & D-cannons. All with have the Destroyer rule.

However, it is entirely possible that they will adjust the AP of some of them. D-Scthes may only be AP4 for example.

the 6 to wound/pen will still ignore saves, but it may not vaporize as squad.

Keep in mind that (I may be wrong, and correct me if so) that D weapons don't have a special rule called Destroyer. It would appear that Distort is replaced with Destroyer, which I speculate could be one of two things. While in hands of a Wraithknight, they are treated as Strength D, which is possible as the Wraithlord doesn't get strength D CC from the ghostglaive. However, the other option is B. All Distort weapons now have the Destroyer rule instead, and on a to hit roll of 6 (or something along those lines) it is treated as strength D. That would fit the Distort rule, while making it more devastating. It also would fit, as D toting infantry models is ridiculous. And if the latter is true, it might also mean that the Heavy Wraithcannon is the same way, and isn't outright strength D.

As has been mentioned: Str D on a 6 just wouldn't work. The destroyer table replaces the to wound roll and a 1 causes nothing, so you would roll a 6 and then have a chance to not do anything...it just wouldn't work. One of the side bars specifically says eldar have more destroyer weapons than anyone else and then specifically mentions the wraithknight, wraithguard, and d-cannon. Since they are talking about destroyer weapons that others have it's safe to assume they will just be regular destroyer weapons.

That being said I seriously doubt the D-Scythe weapons will become destroyer as that would be totally insane. Maybe they will get a name change or something?

That's the thing, it says that the D-Scythes aren't getting it, which are the template versions. So, every other version has a To Hit roll associated with it, meaning it would function like the old Distort, except on a To Hit roll of 6, it's resolved at strength D. Snap shots excluded, of course.

Ok I could see a Str D hit on a 6 to hit, that would work fine. I'm kind of thinking this won't happen just on how the side bar is written, but who knows. Honestly this would work pretty well so let's hope it's something like this......I would feel too dirty playing my Eldar otherwise

 ronin_cse wrote:


Ok I could see a Str D hit on a 6 to hit, that would work fine. I'm kind of thinking this won't happen just on how the side bar is written, but who knows. Honestly this would work pretty well so let's hope it's something like this......I would feel too dirty playing my Eldar otherwise

Well the thing is, all D-weapons that weren't a template weapon were all S10 anyway, so the rule would fit rather well. Everything that carries it would be a bit more expensive, obviously, and the "only on a hit roll of 6" wouldn't be game breaking, considering the cost and short range of the weapons (on the wraithguard, anyway). And, if it stays the same on the Wraithknight, then it doesn't have true strength D, but only on a 6. Though, if it is strength D on the Wraithknight, even then it's not that bad, considering his price. And he's Gargantuan, so it fits.