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**ronin_cse**

krodarklorr wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:

Ok I could see a Str D hit on a 6 to hit, that would work fine. I'm kind of thinking this won't happen just on how the side bar is written, but who knows. Honestly this would work pretty well so let's hope it's something like this......I would feel too dirty playing my Eldar otherwise

Well the thing is, all D-weapons that weren't a template weapon were all S10 anyway, so the rule would fit rather well. Everything that carries it would be a bit more expensive, obviously, and the "only on a hit roll of 6" wouldn't be game breaking, considering the cost and short range of the weapons (on the wraithguard, anyway). And, if it stays the same on the Wraithknight, then it doesn't have true strength D, but only on a 6. Though, if it is strength D on the Wraithknight, even then it's not that bad, considering his price. And he's Gargantuan, so it fits.

Well just remembered: that side bar mentions D-Cannons as one of the things that are now Str D, since they are blast weapons this kind of invalidates this theory

**krodarklorr**

ronin_cse wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:

Ok I could see a Str D hit on a 6 to hit, that would work fine. I'm kind of thinking this won't happen just on how the side bar is written, but who knows. Honestly this would work pretty well so let's hope it's something like this......I would feel too dirty playing my Eldar otherwise

Well the thing is, all D-weapons that weren't a template weapon were all S10 anyway, so the rule would fit rather well. Everything that carries it would be a bit more expensive, obviously, and the "only on a hit roll of 6" wouldn't be game breaking, considering the cost and short range of the weapons (on the wraithguard, anyway). And, if it stays the same on the Wraithknight, then it doesn't have true strength D, but only on a 6. Though, if it is strength D on the Wraithknight, even then it's not that bad, considering his price. And he's Gargantuan, so it fits.

Well just remembered: that side bar mentions D-Cannons as one of the things that are now Str D, since they are blast weapons this kind of invalidates this theory

Well then there's no hope for anybody.

**ronin_cse**

krodarklorr wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:

Ok I could see a Str D hit on a 6 to hit, that would work fine. I'm kind of thinking this won't happen just on how the side bar is written, but who knows. Honestly this would work pretty well so let's hope it's something like this......I would feel too dirty playing my Eldar otherwise

Well the thing is, all D-weapons that weren't a template weapon were all S10 anyway, so the rule would fit rather well. Everything that carries it would be a bit more expensive, obviously, and the "only on a hit roll of 6" wouldn't be game breaking, considering the cost and short range of the weapons (on the wraithguard, anyway). And, if it stays the same on the Wraithknight, then it doesn't have true strength D, but only on a 6. Though, if it is strength D on the Wraithknight, even then it's not that bad, considering his price. And he's Gargantuan, so it fits.

Well just remembered: that side bar mentions D-Cannons as one of the things that are now Str D, since they are blast weapons this kind of invalidates this theory

Well then there's no hope for anybody.

Yes, give in to the despair...let it consume you! :p

**thegrutton**

ronin_cse wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:

Ok I could see a Str D hit on a 6 to hit, that would work fine. I'm kind of thinking this won't happen just on how the side bar is written, but who knows. Honestly this would work pretty well so let's hope it's something like this......I would feel too dirty playing my Eldar otherwise

Well the thing is, all D-weapons that weren't a template weapon were all S10 anyway, so the rule would fit rather well. Everything that carries it would be a bit more expensive, obviously, and the "only on a hit roll of 6" wouldn't be game breaking, considering the cost and short range of the weapons (on the wraithguard, anyway). And, if it stays the same on the Wraithknight, then it doesn't have true strength D, but only on a 6. Though, if it is strength D on the Wraithknight, even then it's not that bad, considering his price. And he's Gargantuan, so it fits.

Well just remembered: that side bar mentions D-Cannons as one of the things that are now Str D, since they are blast weapons this kind of invalidates this theory

Well then there's no hope for anybody.

Yes, give in to the despair...let it consume you! :p

could be on a 6 to hit or a direct hit for blast weapons

**Talys**

tyrannosaurus wrote:

Reason for my post was in response to MWHistorian talking about how the new Eldar dex is an example of the decline of 40k, which I agree with. Almost not worth responding to but I don't play PC games because I like the human interaction - it's an excuse to meet my mates. Sitting around in my own filth playing WoW just doesn't appeal anymore.

Plus, one of the best things about Infinity for me is that it is incredibly easy to own different factions due to the low model count and therefore low price for each army. I'm actually thinking of getting an army of each of the different factions as I'm finding it really hard to settle on one due to the excellent background and models. I've got three already after adding a few bits to OI and buying a Haqqislam starter plus some models I liked the look of. I've only just started, but it seems like you can just buy lots of models that you like the look of and have a pretty competitive army. Try that in 40k. The low model count means that I might actually own a fully painted army one day, something that seems incredibly rare in 40k.

Your point about terrain shows your ignorance, and I CBA to link all of the different Infinity terrain [MDF, hardfoam, resin, and yes, some card] I've got bookmarked ready to spend my hard earned on.

Large scale wargames are great, if you have the time and the patience. I don't have either, with time restraints due to full time job, wife who I like to spend time with when I'm not working etc., and the lack of patience to spend an hour setting up before I roll any dice, and having to wait half an hour or more before I get my go again. I certainly won't miss having to lug my Kaiser3 and scenery bin around.

Anyway I'm not adding much to the Eldar stuff so I'll duck out now. I still recommend giving Infinity a go though; it certainly made me realise how poor 40k was.

The irony of it all is that none of this matters a bit if you choose to play 40k using only 10-20 models in sub 500 point games. All of the imbalances people talk about are magnified at the army sized 'wars'.

PC games can be played on a LAN, with your friends, too, and requires a tiny fraction of the setup and cleanup even of simple tabletop games. In your situation, I'm surprised you wouldn't even consider it. Between the ages of about 20-35, I played a lot more PC games than tabletop, because I had a lot less free time.

The funny thing with infinity is that my friends and I had the opposite experience -- we bought the models, played the game, and appreciated how 40k just had so much more to offer. The few infinity games we play feel so... bare... Like the opposite of "the rule of cool"

**ronin_cse**

Talys wrote:
tyrannosaurus wrote:

Reason for my post was in response to MWHistorian talking about how the new Eldar dex is an example of the decline of 40k, which I agree with. Almost not worth responding to but I don't play PC games because I like the human interaction - it's an excuse to meet my mates. Sitting around in my own filth playing WoW just doesn't appeal anymore.

Plus, one of the best things about Infinity for me is that it is incredibly easy to own different factions due to the low model count and therefore low price for each army. I'm actually thinking of getting an army of each of the different factions as I'm finding it really hard to settle on one due to the excellent background and models. I've got three already after adding a few bits to OI and buying a Haqqislam starter plus some models I liked the look of. I've only just started, but it seems like you can just buy lots of models that you like the look of and have a pretty competitive army. Try that in 40k. The low model count means that I might actually own a fully painted army one day, something that seems incredibly rare in 40k.

Your point about terrain shows your ignorance, and I CBA to link all of the different Infinity terrain [MDF, hardfoam, resin, and yes, some card] I've got bookmarked ready to spend my hard earned on.

Large scale wargames are great, if you have the time and the patience. I don't have either, with time restraints due to full time job, wife who I like to spend time with when I'm not working etc., and the lack of patience to spend an hour setting up before I roll any dice, and having to wait half an hour or more before I get my go again. I certainly won't miss having to lug my Kaiser3 and scenery bin around.

Anyway I'm not adding much to the Eldar stuff so I'll duck out now. I still recommend giving Infinity a go though; it certainly made me realise how poor 40k was.

The irony of it all is that none of this matters a bit if you choose to play 40k using only 10-20 models in sub 500 point games. All of the imbalances people talk about are magnified at the army sized 'wars'.

PC games can be played on a LAN, with your friends, too, and requires a tiny fraction of the setup and cleanup even of simple tabletop games. In your situation, I'm surprised you wouldn't even consider it. Between the ages of about 20-35, I played a lot more PC games than tabletop, because I had a lot less free time.

The funny thing with infinity is that my friends and I had the opposite experience -- we bought the models, played the game, and appreciated how 40k just had so much more to offer. The few infinity games we play feel so... bare... Like the opposite of "the rule of cool"

I lump Infinity in with X-Wing (and in relation to gaming the Wii U), it's a nice side game but it can't be my main focus. As you say there just aren't enough options, but they go fast enough and it's easy enough to get a playable force that when you want a break from 40k but still want to play something they are great. To me Infinity has more of a console tactical rpg but on the tabletop game play than 40k which really has no good equivalent in video games.

**adamsouza**

Redemption wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Pieced together the Eldar Warhost Chart

Spoiler:

Someone already posted the full WD page 3 pages ago:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/downloadAttach/216536.page

Sure if you want to take the easy route, taking a picture with your cell phone. I had to pause a youtube video, over and over, while taking screen shots, resize and edit all those snap shots together.

Well, 20 minutes of my life I could have spent more productively

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MWHistorian wrote:
I guess "7th is the most balance edition evar!" has been proven wrong.

They are just balancing them all against Necrons

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TheKbob wrote:
If the worst is all true, I'd come out of 40k retirement to make a curdled, aged dairy product based Eldar armies. I'd have Jetbikes in various Swiss, American, Feta, and Havarti formations. My Farseer and Warlocks will specialize in Cheddarmancy. My Wraithbrie units will be share their D-lightful capabilities.

And my opponents will like my army if they know what's gouda for them.

Exalted!!

It's important to have a gouda sense a humor about 40K and not take it to seriously

**Talys**

ronin_cse wrote:

I lump Infinity in with X-Wing (and in relation to gaming the Wii U), it's a nice side game but it can't be my main focus. As you say there just aren't enough options, but they go fast enough and it's easy enough to get a playable force that when you want a break from 40k but still want to play something they are great. To me Infinity has more of a console tactical rpg but on the tabletop game play than 40k which really has no good equivalent in video games.

Yes -- this is exactly how I feel!

The two main reasons I play 40k is that I love the hobby/models/fluff, and that I want to enact spectacular scifi wars. I want to have a blast with my friends playing something that looks and feels awesome, and that's more important to me than bulletproof rules. It's easier to fix the rules (just change them) than it is to fix bad models or a lack of models or a game that just doesn't support that scale of models.

Of course, I'd rather have more balance than less; it's just not really a deal breaker, and as someone else mentioned a couple of pages back, if your buddy is destroying you with the latest gizmo, just ask them to ease off. For most reasonable people, it's actually not that fun just going into a game and knowing you're going to win.

**SirDonlad**

TheKbob wrote:
Crablezworth wrote:

I always knew you were a waac tfg lol

Ain't easy being cheesy.

I'll put a "WAAC LYF" license plate on the Big C. Maybe a "Keep QQ'ing, I'm rerolling!" bumper sticker on the Wraithknight.

Picard and cheese? this is what youtube came up with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQWwRsF7Q9w

**Talys**

Going back to News & Rumors:

I don't know if someone pointed this out already, but the new kit comes with the parts to make all 3 scatter lasers (or shuriken cannons, or w/e).

Sorry if this was already posted. I didn't read every one of the 51 pages. The is a sidebar, also, that specifically says you can configure all 3 to scatter lasers or shuriken cannons, so the text is as unambiguous as can be.

**Leth**

Well gak, that answers that question. and now I am sad

**RED EYE JEDI**

im just wondering now what the jetseer council will be like and the psychic powers with them.

**MrFlutterPie**

This is what happens when GW gets drunk at the office. They start to think that "Them Eldar sure look like they want the D" as they pee their pants laughing(literally

)....only Phil Kelly wasn't laughing, he was biding his time...

**Great White**

Now is there any way in hell this could be wrong? At all, I mean anyway?

**ImAGeek**

So the final hope that it was a typo has been dashed. Amazing. They've outdone themselves this time.

**Talys**

Great White wrote:
Now is there any way in hell this could be wrong? At all, I mean anyway?

I still say that points cost is king. It's great that WK gets D weapons, but at what cost? I can't imagine that it stays at 240, which was one of the beauties of the WK (compared to IK, for instance). Buffing it to be similar to IK and BT should mean that it gets pricier, too.

**ImAGeek**

Talys wrote:
Great White wrote:
Now is there any way in hell this could be wrong? At all, I mean anyway?

I still say that points cost is king. It's great that WK gets D weapons, but at what cost? I can't imagine that it stays at 240, which was one of the beauties of the WK (compared to IK, for instance). Buffing it to be similar to IK and BT should mean that it gets pricier, too.

Think he meant the JB scatter laser thing.

**Great White**

ImAGeek wrote:
Talys wrote:
Great White wrote:
Now is there any way in hell this could be wrong? At all, I mean anyway?

I still say that points cost is king. It's great that WK gets D weapons, but at what cost? I can't imagine that it stays at 240, which was one of the beauties of the WK (compared to IK, for instance). Buffing it to be similar to IK and BT should mean that it gets pricier, too.

Think he meant the JB scatter laser thing.

Yeah I do

**Talys**

I don't understand something. How are people getting that you can just spam windriders?

Every single one of the warhosts as a variety of units as required units.

Even the Windrider host requires: 1 Farseer, 1 Warlock Conclave, 3 units of Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron.

**Mr.Church13**

Yep. I got an early copy of the WD here and none of it is photoshopped or a mistake. Eldar is set to become the only army worth taking in everything but the friendliest of games.

Now I'm just hunting a sentence that tells how they've made banshees even more useless this edition.

**warboss**

Guys, calm down. All this has been forseen long ago by the wise and ancient Farseer Gav Thorpe who guided the threads of the warp to coalesce in this version of Codex: Kraftworld Cheddar. As it was in the midst of 3rd edition, so shall it be yet again for your own good and the sake of the game...

**ImAGeek**

Talys wrote:
I don't understand something. How are people getting that you can just spam windriders?

Every single one of the warhosts as a variety of units as required units.

Even the Windrider host requires: 1 Farseer, 1 Warlock Conclave, 3 units of Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron.

You don't have to use the formations...

**Talys**

ImAGeek wrote:
Talys wrote:
I don't understand something. How are people getting that you can just spam windriders?

Every single one of the warhosts as a variety of units as required units.

Even the Windrider host requires: 1 Farseer, 1 Warlock Conclave, 3 units of Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron.

You don't have to use the formations...

Oh, I see, run them as CAD. That makes sense, I guess. Somehow, I think the war host will be better, though. You can still take 30 windriders, but the problem is, 3 squads of 40 shots is not all that efficient, IMO.

**TheKbob**

warboss wrote:
Guys, calm down. All this has been forseen long ago by the wise and ancient Farseer Gav Thorpe who guided the threads of the warp to coalesce in this version of Codex: Kraftworld Cheddar. As it was in the midst of 3rd edition, so shall it be yet again for your own good and the sake of the game...

This post is a cut above the rest. It really takes the cake.

Now all I need is confirmation of D weapons/cost of Wraithguard and Wraithknights.

**ImAGeek**

Talys wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Talys wrote:
I don't understand something. How are people getting that you can just spam windriders?

Every single one of the warhosts as a variety of units as required units.

Even the Windrider host requires: 1 Farseer, 1 Warlock Conclave, 3 units of Windriders, 1 Vyper squadron.

You don't have to use the formations...

Oh, I see, run them as CAD. That makes sense, I guess. Somehow, I think the war host will be better, though. You can still take 30 windriders, but the problem is, 3 squads of 40 shots is not all that efficient, IMO.

Yeah, run them as CAD. It's not like they really need any formation bonuses for them to sing... And they've Objective Secured in CAD right?

Do we know what the bonuses are yet? Because they could get even more silly.

**Thud**

warboss wrote:
Guys, calm down. All this has been forseen long ago by the wise and ancient Farseer Gav Thorpe who guided the threads of the warp to coalesce in this version of Codex: Kraftworld Cheddar. As it was in the midst of 3rd edition, so shall it be yet again for your own good and the sake of the game...

The return of the Alaitoc disruption table basically confirmed then?

**ZebioLizard2**

warboss wrote:
And you get free new and improved bloodthirsters that you paid no points for. That sounds significant too.

That can't charge for two turns after they've been summoned, woohoo?

**warboss**

TheKbob wrote:
warboss wrote:
Guys, calm down. All this has been forseen long ago by the wise and ancient Farseer Gav Thorpe who guided the threads of the warp to coalesce in this version of Codex: Kraftworld Cheddar. As it was in the midst of 3rd edition, so shall it be yet again for your own good and the sake of the game...

This post is a cut above the rest. It really takes the cake.

Now all I need is confirmation of D weapons/cost of Wraithguard and Wraithknights.

Thanks. If you stick around and follow 40k long enough, you see the same mistakes being made over and over by the "new" developers and the same tired excsues trotted out to cover them up. Back in 3rd edition when the Eldar codex dropped and was the very unbalanced (especially with the Craftworld supplement), it was all about the starcannons and wraithlords. Now, it's apparently (so far) the scatter lasers and wraithknights. As much as things change, they stay the same....

**Leth**

Sigh, GW was doing so well with their books until now.....but this...this just crosses the line.

O well......

**warboss**

Thud wrote:
warboss wrote:
Guys, calm down. All this has been forseen long ago by the wise and ancient Farseer Gav Thorpe who guided the threads of the warp to coalesce in this version of Codex: Kraftworld Cheddar. As it was in the midst of 3rd edition, so shall it be yet again for your own good and the sake of the game...

The return of the Alaitoc disruption table basically confirmed then?

We haven't been previewed those pages yet but your skill at casting the cheesecubes of fate is strong indeed! At $58, it's equal to the price of the marine book so might have pages devoted to rules for each kraftworld just like the marine codex does for chapters.

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Leth wrote:
Sigh, GW was doing so well with their books until now.....but this...this just crosses the line.

O well......

Going vegan then or just ovolactovegetarian? (looking at your sig)