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The preorders are up, and the Autarch and Shining Spears are exactly the same resin kits on exactly the same 20 year old bikes, only pumped up to match the new prices. You can't even make this gak up.

Yea all the prior codexes were reasonably balanced (Necrons a bit on the strong side)

But this, this codex, makes Necrons look underpowered.

They aren't even trying anymore. They must literally be like "I say chaps you know what would be smashing? If Wraithguard were Strength D! Quite fluffy, don't you think? Quite." and not even caring how it unbalances the game.

this made me laugh, and made me think of the father from The Wild Thornberrys haha

 NTRabbit wrote:
The preorders are up, and the Autarch and Shining Spears are exactly the same resin kits on exactly the same 20 year old bikes, only pumped up to match the new prices. You can't even make this gak up.

Isn't that par for the course? At least that's one thing that's consistent...

The worst part is if I actually ever wanted to play Eldar, I'd want Wraithguard, and they'd be so broken now that I'd get called a WAAC powergamer and have people refuse to play just because I want to have a fluffy wraith army like Iyanden (but my own craftworld). For no reason of my own, just because GW can't write rules to save their life. And that's the worst part. Players are going to take the brunt of this and be called WAAC powergaming jackasses for playing Eldar, even if they aren't.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Yea all the prior codexes were reasonably balanced (Necrons a bit on the strong side)

But this, this codex, makes Necrons look underpowered.

This codex makes a physical hammer look under powered.

Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

I just send a list of the changes to my gaming group.

Here it its in case someone missed some of them

http://pastebin.com/ippvrB6C

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

He posted pictures of himself holding the codex, its a couple pages back

He has a pic of the Codex on hand.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

He literally posted a picture of himself holding the codex in his hand. And he's done this before for other codex releases, as well.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

Not even checking the thread... not doing yourself any favors mate especially with that flavor line under the username.

How the FRICK is a Wraithknight 295pts compared to a squiggoth/ heirodule??!?


CHRIST I hate the person who wrote this. What a ------------------!!!!

On the bright side, Dark Angels should be fantastic after this release!

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

Check? Really? Where did you check?

 Quickjager wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

Not even checking the thread... not doing yourself any favors mate especially with that flavor line under the username.

. He's posted pics with the book.

Tzeentch Daemonkin - Many ways for psychic D blasts. Calling it now.

 Talys wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Phew, at least wraithknights are Lord's of war. Only way to get multiples is to use the decurion style building and there are too many taxes to spam. I'm actually away from the freak out cliff now.

Almost every competitive scene limits to 1 Lord of War anyhow. Depending on what else is in the LoW slot, this is actually quite limiting. Plus, no more WK spam.

Where are you getting this crap from? Funny I have never seen you at the many local New England tournaments, but apparently you are going to speak for them anyway.

 Quickjager wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Let's all take a moment and remember that the source of this latest round of rumors is literally some guy on Warseer who says he has the codex. The only reason people are taking this seriously is because BoLS posted it as clickbait.

Rumors confirming everyone's worst fears? Check.

No pictures? Check.

I call BS.

He might have great rumor accuracy in the past, but I'll swallow an entire saltshaker before I believe what this guy is saying.

Not even checking the thread... not doing yourself any favors mate especially with that flavor line under the username.

And I would add that nobody in their right mind take BoLS seriously

 Elmir wrote:
Are they though... I think they eldar "decurion" allows for 12 wraithknights....

Only CAD is limited to 1 (which you'd have to be an idiot to run, unless you want 2 full jetbike squads with obsec firing 40 S6 shots at 48"... for a mere 270p).

I think Phil Kelly needs to be fired at this point.

Two jetbike squads with a wraithknight and a psyker HQ sounds like a good thing to spam with multiple CAD.

 Garion wrote:


And I would add that nobody in their right mind take BoLS seriously

No. But this stuff has been discussed for some time, even before BoLS posted it.

Clearly GW just want the Eldar to be better, as befits a rare, dying race

if they were on par with the rest of the codexes too many Eldar warriors would be killed on the gaming tables of the world risking the whole race going extinct,

and that cannot be allowed as the clock is already at 2 minutes to midnight and cannot be allowed to advance further

Nvs wrote:
On the bright side, Dark Angels should be fantastic after this release!

Not really. About half way through the DA rewrite they will realize that eldar might just be a tich strong so their next one needs to be dialed back just a bit. So they dump all changes and tone down the DA codex as it was from the start.

LOL...I love this codex, why? Cuz it will force the LFGS to move onto 30k. so rumour might be true about 30k in plastic. This codex forces peopel to stop playign 40k and move onto 30k

 warboss wrote:

 Elmir wrote:
Are they though... I think they eldar "decurion" allows for 12 wraithknights....

Only CAD is limited to 1 (which you'd have to be an idiot to run, unless you want 2 full jetbike squads with obsec firing 40 S6 shots at 48"... for a mere 270p).

I think Phil Kelly needs to be fired at this point.

Two jetbike squads with a wraithknight and a psyker HQ sounds like a good thing to spam with multiple CAD.

Jetseer - 115
3 SL Jetbikes - 81
3 SL Jetbikes - 81
Wraithknight - 295
572

Take that three times. Or just take it twice and pad out the bikes and some wraithguard.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Clearly GW just want the Eldar to be better, as befits a rare, dying race

if they were on par with the rest of the codexes too many Eldar warriors would be killed on the gaming tables of the world risking the whole race going extinct,

and that cannot be allowed as the clock is already at 2 minutes to midnight and cannot be allowed to advance further

Maybe GW are forging a narrative where they've decided on a corporate level to match production with the fluff and only a certain number of eldar can be punched out in plastic or gak out in finecast per year as befits a dying race. Every eldar model that dies on a tabletop in game anywhere subtracts from that total!?! Something clearly had to be done to save them.

Flying under the Radar is the Level 4 Warp Charge power that's a Apocalyptic Blast that wounds on a 2+ and has Haywire.

Hollismason wrote:
Flying under the Radar is the Level 4 Warp Charge power that's a Apocalyptic Blast that wounds on a 2+ and has Haywire.

Compared to the rest of the dex that's like getting hit with a pillow.

 warboss wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Clearly GW just want the Eldar to be better, as befits a rare, dying race

if they were on par with the rest of the codexes too many Eldar warriors would be killed on the gaming tables of the world risking the whole race going extinct,

and that cannot be allowed as the clock is already at 2 minutes to midnight and cannot be allowed to advance further

Maybe GW are forging a narrative where they've decided on a corporate level to match production with the fluff and only a certain number of eldar can be punched out in plastic or gak out in finecast per year as befits a dying race. Every eldar model that dies on a tabletop in game anywhere subtracts from that total!?! Something clearly had to be done to save them.

The balance to the codex is that every time a non-wraith unit dies you need to physically destroy the model. Spiritseers have a new power that will let them “summon” wraith units using the soul stones from your casualties, assuming you have the minis to represent them.

 pretre wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Elmir wrote:
Are they though... I think they eldar "decurion" allows for 12 wraithknights....

Only CAD is limited to 1 (which you'd have to be an idiot to run, unless you want 2 full jetbike squads with obsec firing 40 S6 shots at 48"... for a mere 270p).

I think Phil Kelly needs to be fired at this point.

Two jetbike squads with a wraithknight and a psyker HQ sounds like a good thing to spam with multiple CAD.

Jetseer - 115
3 SL Jetbikes - 81
3 SL Jetbikes - 81
Wraithknight - 295
572

Take that three times. Or just take it twice and pad out the bikes and some wraithguard.

Yeah, I like your second suggestion. That list clearly doesn't have enough strength D and gargantuan creatures for a 6000pt apoc... I mean 1500pt normal 40k game (sorry, I get them confused now as they're the same thing). I'd go with two of that CAD and then more bikes and wraithguard as you said to finish out that fair and balanced small side of normal 40k list.