Eldar Rumors - Page 24/25 first info & pics.

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**Red Corsair**

Great so seer council manifests powers on a 3+ AND their is a wargear item reducing WC cost by 1.... So fortune on a 3+ with one die anyone... Or eldrich storm on 3 dice only needing 3's? And I thought scatriders invalidated greentide. Apocalyptic blast that has fleshbane and haywire should keep things real...

**angelofvengeance**

Looking at those leaks it doesn't look half bad. A Wraithknight is definitely LOW material, as is mr Avatar. Plus it's kinda fluffy in that they only really get the Avatars and Wraithknights out when gak gets hardcore. How many LOW's are you allowed in a game btw (discounting Unbound of course)

**nedTCM**

Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

**Red Corsair**

Oh and apparently I can field my three firedragons units at BS5 in those 3 no scatter falcons.... and people were concerned bike lists needed D to open vehicles....

The hemlock is ML2 because just in case you didn't get anything good with one die fishing on telepathy or sanctic now you also generate 2 dice and bring on some more D...

**angelofvengeance**

nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Umm Archaon?

**pretre**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Looking at those leaks it doesn't look half bad. A Wraithknight is definitely LOW material, as is mr Avatar. Plus it's kinda fluffy in that they only really get the Avatars and Wraithknights out when gak gets hardcore. How many LOW's are you allowed in a game btw (discounting Unbound of course)

You can take as many LOW as you have CADs. Considering the 'tax' for a cad is only around 250 points, you can easily fit three into a ~1500 point game.

**Red Corsair**

angelofvengeance wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Umm Archaon?

LOL whats the difference, I'd be happy to let an eldar player take Archaon, he smokes scrotum compared to anything else they have.

**pretre**

Red Corsair wrote:
Oh and apparently I can field my three firedragons units at BS5 in those 3 no scatter falcons.... and people were concerned bike lists needed D to open vehicles....

The hemlock is ML2 because just in case you didn't get anything good with one die fishing on telepathy or sanctic now you also generate 2 dice and bring on some more D...

Heh. If a Hemlock gets Vortex can it not hit itself?

**Red Corsair**

pretre wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
Looking at those leaks it doesn't look half bad. A Wraithknight is definitely LOW material, as is mr Avatar. Plus it's kinda fluffy in that they only really get the Avatars and Wraithknights out when gak gets hardcore. How many LOW's are you allowed in a game btw (discounting Unbound of course)

You can take as many LOW as you have CADs. Considering the 'tax' for a cad is only around 250 points, you can easily fit three into a ~1500 point game.

The seer council getting 3+ manifested powers and that item are insane as well.... I am wondering if Illic still has a D sniper rifle...

Automatically Appended Next Post:

pretre wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Oh and apparently I can field my three firedragons units at BS5 in those 3 no scatter falcons.... and people were concerned bike lists needed D to open vehicles....

The hemlock is ML2 because just in case you didn't get anything good with one die fishing on telepathy or sanctic now you also generate 2 dice and bring on some more D...

Heh. If a Hemlock gets Vortex can it not hit itself?

Ha ha I think your right. Safest way to cast vortex in the game, nice catch.

**JimOnMars**

The solution is very simple.

Eldar remains at 6th, except for serpents which are 7th.

**Red Corsair**

JimOnMars wrote:
The solution is very simple.

Eldar remains at 6th, except for serpents which are 7th.

I would honestly give serious props to any TO that implemented that.

**mortetvie**

nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

@Pretre, I think Wraithknights will generally be limited to 1 per army or if not I don't see more than 2 being included in what I would consider a good or balanced army that can win tournaments.

**warboss**

nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

GW, dammit! That is just crossing the line! First they destroyed the WH fantasy world and sucked Archaon and Sigmar reborn into the warp and now they pooped out Archaon into the Eldar codex? Enough!

**rollawaythestone**

I hope TO's are willing to actually implement some sort of comp system finally. It's such a taboo in 40k compared to Fantasy. Wake up sheeple!

**Red Corsair**

mortetvie wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

Keep white knighting this farce while not actually providing realistic solutions to the problem.

"Guys, gee golly gosh haven't you heard of the tactic bubble wrap? It's super hard for eldar to peel it back with their bland toothless options."

**ronin_cse**

Accolade wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
The fact I don't play any more doesn't make any thing I say automatically less valid. But thanks for just dismissing everything I say for no reason.

I think there's probably quite a few Eldar players out there. They're a great looking army, and they consistently have pretty good rules.

Well when I am asking about the meta that PEOPLE PLAY IN and you don't play the game, it does kind of invalidate what you say about the meta.

Don't worry ImAGeek, you'd still be wrong even if you played. Because you made a negative comment about 40k, so you are automatically wrong. And a whiner. Deal with it.

I said myself that the codex is OP and I'm not defending it, I am saying that a single codex being op doesn't ruin the game in all but the worst most competitive metas.

Also: you're both whiners, not because you said something bad about GW but because you are making the same petulant comments about things that can't be changed. We can't do anything about Eldar being OP at this point, so either deal with it and try to overcome it, or go play another game and stop bothering with 40k threads.

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

So, my house rule of bikes being 4+ armor unless the rider has better stays. The D weapons on normal models will all get -1 on the table, scythes -2.

I'm wondering if the wraithknight point cost was a fingerslip on the keyboard/ accidental number slip. 395 would be about perfect for them with that load out, or if their guns were only 24" range, maybe the current cost would be ok. (Still stretching it though)

**ronin_cse**

Red Corsair wrote:
mortetvie wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

Keep white knighting this farce while not actually providing realistic solutions to the problem.

"Guys, gee golly gosh haven't you heard of the tactic bubble wrap? It's super hard for eldar to peel it back with their bland toothless options."

So how many Eldar players do you regularly play against?

**Las**

rollawaythestone wrote:
I hope TO's are willing to actually implement some sort of comp system finally. It's such a taboo in 40k compared to Fantasy. Wake up sheeple!

I think this will be the straw re the camel's back that finally does it.

**Red Corsair**

ronin_cse wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
mortetvie wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

Keep white knighting this farce while not actually providing realistic solutions to the problem.

"Guys, gee golly gosh haven't you heard of the tactic bubble wrap? It's super hard for eldar to peel it back with their bland toothless options."

So how many Eldar players do you regularly play against?

There are 6, then more that turn up at larger events. Your point is?

**The only jp**

Went through the posts on warseer and colated Iuchiban's stuff. (all credit to him obviously).

he has pics of him with the codex for his proof:

Spoiler:

here are all of the questions he answered.

Spoiler:

Sorry if you've all seen this already. Sorry mods if this isn't allowed.

**ronin_cse**

Red Corsair wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
mortetvie wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

Keep white knighting this farce while not actually providing realistic solutions to the problem.

"Guys, gee golly gosh haven't you heard of the tactic bubble wrap? It's super hard for eldar to peel it back with their bland toothless options."

So how many Eldar players do you regularly play against?

There are 6, then more that turn up at larger events. Your point is?

Are they normally the type of player that takes these crazy lists? Is it a very competitive meta?

Edit: changed to lists

**mortetvie**

Red Corsair wrote:
mortetvie wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

Keep white knighting this farce while not actually providing realistic solutions to the problem.

"Guys, gee golly gosh haven't you heard of the tactic bubble wrap? It's super hard for eldar to peel it back with their bland toothless options."

So things like Grav guns, Rending, Psychic Shriek, other heavy weapons/shooting are not going to be just as effective against a Wraithknight as they have always been? The answer is yes, they will.

Furthermore, bubble wrap is a viable tactic as you so lightly blow off... You will always have a turn to "wrap" a potential target before the Eldar can get into position as Wraithguard can only deepstrike on turn 2 and onwards.

Interceptor is also an answer to putting a dent in the hurt that Deepstriking Wraithguard can do.

Heck, even keeping potential targets in reserve is a viable tactic.

So ultimately, you add nothing to this discussion by saying I am just white knighting this "farce without providing realistic solutions" other than revealing either a lack of creativity with dealing with problems or a lack of tactical acumen/understanding of what the competitive meta looks like.

I personally always look for ways to deal with a situation with what is available rather than cry about how hopeless things appear to be.

**mercury14**

Was there a change to Striking Scorpions? Dark Reapers?

**Nocturnus**

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Codex Eldar Craftworld....

**Red Corsair**

Spoiler:

It's a mix, everyone wants to field their toys and nobody wants to play a guy that is pulling his punches. When a book like this drops it creates lose lose scenarios unless your playing hard core narrative. One guy gets to play with anything he wants, while his opponent always has to try to equal his opponent and when he loses you never played his full potential and when he wins he probably over stepped. It just makes a silly game state.

So more to your question, in a competitive tournament? Yea, generally when six guys are thumbing the button on the doomsday clock, none of them want to be the guy that hits it second. So we then have the crappy task of comping the feth out of the tournaments which usually inadvertently kneecaps the few outliers.

For pick up games it's not a major issue but only because almost no one will play them casually and defer to their other more "fun" armies. Which is a shame because I want to play eldar, but I also want to play a fair game where one guy doesn't pad his gloves.

**ImAGeek**

Accolade wrote:
ronin_cse wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
The fact I don't play any more doesn't make any thing I say automatically less valid. But thanks for just dismissing everything I say for no reason.

I think there's probably quite a few Eldar players out there. They're a great looking army, and they consistently have pretty good rules.

Well when I am asking about the meta that PEOPLE PLAY IN and you don't play the game, it does kind of invalidate what you say about the meta.

Don't worry ImAGeek, you'd still be wrong even if you played. Because you made a negative comment about 40k, so you are automatically wrong. And a whiner. Deal with it.

Yeah. I should know that by now really.

I still follow the game, I just don't play myself.

**Quickjager**

JimOnMars wrote:
The solution is very simple.

Eldar remains at 6th, except for serpents which are 7th.

That's a good idea.

**Red Corsair**

mortetvie wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
mortetvie wrote:
nedTCM wrote:
Wraithguard are now the best unit in the game. Same firepower as a Titan. Can kill a Warhound with one turn of shooting. Can deep strike no scatter with an allied Archaon.

Fair and Balanced!

Technically, they do not have the same firepower as a Titan because (1) Titan has more range; (2) Titan usually affects a lot more models with multiple shots and large template/blast; and, (3) Titan is way more survivable.

Wraithguard are limited to short range and need a serpent or WWP to get in place and even then, with proper tactics and play, you should be able to manage. You know, like keep units a certain distance to a particularly juicy target so that Eldar can't deepstrike close enough (bubble wrap strategy) or keep a target in reserves until Wraithguard deploy.

Furthermore, they are apparently no longer scoring so they cannot contest other objectives held by obsec.

Finally, being able to kill a Warhound and deepstrike without scatter (with an Archon which isn't actually part of the unit mind you) is not the criterion for determining if a unit is best evar or not.

Keep white knighting this farce while not actually providing realistic solutions to the problem.

"Guys, gee golly gosh haven't you heard of the tactic bubble wrap? It's super hard for eldar to peel it back with their bland toothless options."

So things like Grav guns, Rending, Psychic Shriek, other heavy weapons/shooting are not going to be just as effective against a Wraithknight as they have always been? The answer is yes, they will.

Furthermore, bubble wrap is a viable tactic as you so lightly blow off... You will always have a turn to "wrap" a potential target before the Eldar can get into position as Wraithguard can only deepstrike on turn 2 and onwards.

Interceptor is also an answer to putting a dent in the hurt that Deepstriking Wraithguard can do.

Heck, even keeping potential targets in reserve is a viable tactic.

So ultimately, you add nothing to this discussion by saying I am just white knighting this "farce without providing realistic solutions" other than revealing either a lack of creativity with dealing with problems or a lack of tactical acumen/understanding of what the competitive meta looks like.

I personally always look for ways to deal with a situation with what is available rather than cry about how hopeless things appear to be.

Grav guns? You are playing an army with more WC then SM could ever dare approach in a fluffy eldar list, which btw now can cast invisibility on that WK needing 1 fething WC and possibly on a 3+ in a council....

Interceptor? You mean Tau, again stop acting like these answers you are providing are generic. Why would you DS against tau in that scenario, you'd dust their static gun-line with superior JSJ on your bike troops.... YOU BEAT TAU AT JSJ!

BTW your bubble wrap comment is ridiculous and it makes me question your GT winning stature lol. So your suggesting we now have the added tax of fielding fence post dummies in order to prevent your optional deepstrike ON TOP of providing meaningful point efficient options to kill your basic troop bikes, which btw PLEASE actually give us an example of bubble wrap that won't break the bank, doesn't require unbound and can stand up to 100+ scatter laser shots? We are all dying to learn what you apparently know.

BWT I find it hilarious that you think your some tactical genius. Checking your thread is easy to see you leaned on Taudar in 6th ed. Maybe share your tactical acumen, because all I am seeing is a guy defending the tool he relies on to win.

**yellowfever**

So am I going to be considered a power gamer when im running my Siam Hann army that I've had since the original craft world Eldar codex.