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"Mandiblásters got a VERY BIG BOOST. On 4+ they inflict a Wound regardless the T of the target. If target is Gargantuan creature, they only wound on 6's. Saves allowed. BTW, Karandras Mandiblaster wounds on 2+/4+ and ignores saves"

wow! With that and stealth+shrouding, Scorpions might actually be worth taking now.

Iuchiban;7427052 wrote:Dire Avengers: Overwatch at BS2 OR get counter attack and stubborn
Exarch: 4++

So the ability Mechanicus gets on a handful of weapons is a unit wide rule.

Howling banshees: +3" when running or assaulting. Ignore I penalties when assaulting through difficult terrain. Fear. No Overwatch allowed when Banshees assault
Exarch: Units in CC with the Banshees have -2L

Almost Harlequins+ Meanwhile Wych cults remain a joke.

Striking Scorpions: Stealth. Shrouded until the fire or assault.
Exarch: During a challenge compare I values. Exarch gets +1A for each point his I is better tan his oponent.

So a generic unit sergeant gets the rule that Lelith, the best wych in Commorrah lost?

Fire Dragons: +1 on the vehicle damage chart.
Exarch: Once per turn, may reroll one to hit, to wound or to penetrare roll

Why exactly did Fire Dragons need buffed?

Swooping Haws: If the move over a flier, every modl gets one special attack that hits on 4+, S4, AP4, Haywire. They move 18"
Exarch: His unit does not scatter if DS

A rumored rule for stormboyz. Hawks actually get it, and with haywire to boot. And no scatter deepstrike? The thing that Archons have to pay for?

Warp Spiders: They may jump during the opponent's shooting phase. If after the jum, the spiders are out of LoS or reach, firing unit cannot choose another target.
Exarch: His unit reroll all LD tests

So JSJ plus. Is this because GK dared to copy battle focus for a single turn in their detachment so eldar needed something better?

Shining Spears: 4+ cover sabe
Exarch: Reroll to wound vs MC and rerolls to penétrate

Ork bikers lose the rule. Eldar bikers gain it. Sounds fair.

Dark Reapers: Reroll to hit if target is: Flier, has turboboosted previous turn or moved flat out
Exarch: His weapon fires one more shot tan normally. For example: Heavy 2 becomes Heavy 3

Since fliers have a bit better chance of dealing with wraith units without dying, guess we need an aspect to remove that risk.

This just seems to be salting the wounds.

All the aspect warriors are getting really nice without getting out of hand.

Oh GW why? Why did you have to ruin such a good codex??

Apparently GW now lets 12 year olds write their codicies. I mean, this all sounds like some wishlisting or fandex out of bounds.
Beside that, why do so many people compare this to other cheese as a measurement or for justification? Shouldn't gettin rid of OP cheesebuilds be our goal?

Those aspect warriors are by no means cheese. They are cool, fun and properly costed.

Farseer on bike is already sold out on the US website.

So a generic unit sergeant gets the rule that Lelith, the best wych in Commorrah lost?

Remember that any Eldar Guardian (say a poet who has picked up a sword perhaps for the first time in decades) is as skilled in close combat as a Wych (who lives and dies on a dialy basis by hers) -

Why exactly did Fire Dragons need buffed?

AND Eldar Bikers, WraithKinghts, Swooping Hawks, etc etc

Are there ANY units except Cheese Serpents that did not get a boost? And they only became palatable whilst of course getting a points reduction.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Farseer on bike is already sold out on the US website.

So are Vypers...

I can honestly say this book killed any interest I had in it when they moved Rangers to an Auxiliary spot, removed Illic's Pathfinder upgrade for Rangers, and removed Distort from Illic Nightspear's rifle.

I was planning on running an Alaitoc army as I have four War Walkers, 10 Rangers, Illic Nightspear, and plans to convert up/purchase more Rangers.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Farseer on bike is already sold out on the US website.

So are Vypers...

I can honestly say this book killed any interest I had in it when they moved Rangers to an Auxiliary spot, removed Illic's Pathfinder upgrade for Rangers, and removed Distort from Illic Nightspear's rifle.

I was planning on running an Alaitoc army as I have four War Walkers, 10 Rangers, Illic Nightspear, and plans to convert up/purchase more Rangers.

Just use a Combined Arms Detachment? And Rangers have Shrouded by default now, and if Illic joins them he confers his precision shooting to the unit.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Farseer on bike is already sold out on the US website.

So are Vypers...

I can honestly say this book killed any interest I had in it when they moved Rangers to an Auxiliary spot, removed Illic's Pathfinder upgrade for Rangers, and removed Distort from Illic Nightspear's rifle.

I was planning on running an Alaitoc army as I have four War Walkers, 10 Rangers, Illic Nightspear, and plans to convert up/purchase more Rangers.

Just use a Combined Arms Detachment? And Rangers have Shrouded by default now, and if Illic joins them he confers his precision shooting to the unit.

Right, but Pathfinders were not simply "Gain Shrouded".

They also got Illic's Precision Shooting on all shots special rule.

Spoletta wrote:
Those aspect warriors are by no means cheese. They are cool, fun and properly costed.

On their own, relatively fluffy and fun soundin.

When half those rules have recently been removed from units in other codices, and when the rest of the book is getting buffs as well...

Maybe put the new aspect warriors and wave serpent into the 6th Ed Eldar codex and see how that goes?

I agree, Aspect Warriors all look exceptionally well done and appear to be the best part of the codex.

Rangers got shrouded instead of stealth now? Points increase for that?

I hope not, they were already kind of expensive for what they are.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Right, but Pathfinders were not simply "Gain Shrouded".

They also got Illic's Precision Shooting on all shots special rule.

Yes, which is now gained by Illic joining their unit, apparently.

does anyone remember the old craftworld rules ?

wraithlord are troops !

and pathfinders cause ap1 wounds on a hit of 4,5,6

I bought the book yesterday it has decent fluff.


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the old craftworld codex isn't as equally as cheesy, but was still pretty cheesy with the other main codex.

I will be playing aspect lists eventually im liking those rules for them, im not sure about wraithguard with strength D it should be on a 6 to hit it becomes D otherwise keep the old profile, I will be making nice fluffy lists now should be fun.

Eldar are specialists.......yes, all of their aspects got cool stuff, the bikes are great etc etc. A player is going to have to choose what to take, he can't have everything.

banning the book entirely or introducing a handicap system is ridiculous. If people are concerned about WG deep striking with an Archaon...just ban allies (but oh no, way too many complaints about doing that), then ban grav guns, a few other units etc. where does it end?

I just find it surprising that people expect the books to be balanced, ha! They are releasing 1 book a month, that means ZERO playtesting possible at all.

Iv been playing wraithguard forces for quite a while (iyanden) and all that, im just astounded by the cheap strength D it doesn't seem right.

bullyboy wrote:

I just find it surprising that people expect the books to be balanced, ha! They are releasing 1 book a month, that means ZERO playtesting possible at all.

And you think their CHOICE of accelerated release schedule excuses that? Do you also find it surprising that customers expect a cohesive functional product for their money? Despite what GW claims. they are selling a game with models and gaking on the former with planned early obsolescence and wild variations of utility to sell more of the latter doesn't work for me or apparently a lot of other gamers seeing that as GW continues down this path since 6th edition their unit sales and profits continue to slide.

bullyboy wrote:
Eldar are specialists.......yes, all of their aspects got cool stuff, the bikes are great etc etc. A player is going to have to choose what to take, he can't have everything.

If everything is awesome, is that really so bad?
As someone said before: When 15 no-scatter deepstrike BS5 melta guns is going to be considered one of the lesser options in the codex, you know something is borked.

banning the book entirely or introducing a handicap system is ridiculous. If people are concerned about WG deep striking with an Archaon...just ban allies (but oh no, way too many complaints about doing that), then ban grav guns, a few other units etc. where does it end?

No-one will ban the book... but around my area I see this as the last straw that pushes us to a heavily comped system that people have been discussing for the last 12 months. Wraithknights won't be banned.. but taking one to a tourney will have a serious negative effect on your generalship score.

I just find it surprising that people expect the books to be balanced, ha! They are releasing 1 book a month, that means ZERO playtesting possible at all.

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It is kind of their job to playtest though.
Its not as though these things are difficult to spot. One screenshot of the scatbike rules and anyone who had any interest in balanced play was at least taking a deep breath. When we first heard that wraithlords were going to superheavy anyone with an inkling of what the rules meant was saying 'wow, they'll be 400-500pts now'. Most fandexes wouldn't go as far as this Eldar codex seems to have.

The numbers don't reflect a lack of playtesting: they reflect a lack of knowledge of the rules. They reflect a lack of playing any games with the previous codex or any other codexes.

I'd expect this kind of balance level from an intern, someone who has never written a codex before. But GW has 30 years of experience under their belt, yet they don't seem to have any kind of system in place for getting things right. Compare to (eg) Privateer Press who has been around less than a third of that yet nearly every single model release is equally balanced and competitive against models released that week AND models released five years ago.

I wonder how many of the apologists would have been saying - "its all fine - just play with and against it" if the book had been a actual power loss instead of increase............

 Redemption wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Right, but Pathfinders were not simply "Gain Shrouded".

They also got Illic's Precision Shooting on all shots special rule.

Yes, which is now gained by Illic joining their unit, apparently.

Which means that only one unit can gain it, as opposed to all the Ranger units being able to get it for additional points...

Well, I've said all I can say about the rules. So my question is (and apologies if this has been answered): are there any other releases with this codex other than the jetbikes and farseer jetbike, and autarch?

No updated aspects, shining spears, or avatar? Are we just going to one to two new kits every couple of years with a new codex in tow?

I also find it interesting that harlequin troupes are still in the Eldar section of the webstore, I thought they had been removed. Plus it looks like the old autarch on a jetbike got moved into pre-order...you know, because it's not like he hasn't existed forever!

bullyboy wrote:


I just find it surprising that people expect the books to be balanced, ha! They are releasing 1 book a month, that means ZERO playtesting possible at all.

Yeah and they release new models every week, but there is still a lengthy design process for each model. Not to mention semi-competent people could knock out a more balanced book than this is in a few days. I dont need to playtest a single thing to know Wraithknights and Jetbikes are OP, I can just look at the statline and points cost.

No excuses for this.

I guess there might be a second wave of models - its seems normal?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I guess there might be a second wave of models - its seems normal?

I just thought we would have seen any new models in the codex. It would seem silly to release half of a release, release said codex, then release a second half but leave the images in the codex as the out-of-date models.

/shrug

Mymearan wrote:
"Mandiblásters got a VERY BIG BOOST. On 4+ they inflict a Wound regardless the T of the target. If target is Gargantuan creature, they only wound on 6's. Saves allowed. BTW, Karandras Mandiblaster wounds on 2+/4+ and ignores saves"

wow! With that and stealth+shrouding, Scorpions might actually be worth taking now.

Karandras was always kind of a hidden gem. That S8 AP2 at initiative with a ton of attacks and a 2+/4++ with Eternal Warrior made me wonder why he wasn't taken more often. Dude's a beatstick. Now he's even better.


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What is the news of pathfinders and rangers? I run the same models since 3rd, with an Alaitoc outcast army. It seems like every major craftworld got a formation except them. Maybe they have an upcoming supplement?

it would be nice to see a Alaitoc book

Every time I hear people talk about using a Comp of some sort I laugh. Every person I know who has tried it just ends up getting so frustrated with it that they just go back to normal anyway.

This book is pretty OP. But it won't deter me from playing the game. /shrug

 Silverthorne wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
"Mandiblásters got a VERY BIG BOOST. On 4+ they inflict a Wound regardless the T of the target. If target is Gargantuan creature, they only wound on 6's. Saves allowed. BTW, Karandras Mandiblaster wounds on 2+/4+ and ignores saves"

wow! With that and stealth+shrouding, Scorpions might actually be worth taking now.

Karandras was always kind of a hidden gem. That S8 AP2 at initiative with a ton of attacks and a 2+/4++ with Eternal Warrior made me wonder why he wasn't taken more often. Dude's a beatstick. Now he's even better.


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What is the news of pathfinders and rangers? I run the same models since 3rd, with an Alaitoc outcast army. It seems like every major craftworld got a formation except them. Maybe they have an upcoming supplement?

They might just ignore them - like Wyches.............

bullyboy wrote:
Eldar are specialists.......yes, all of their aspects got cool stuff, the bikes are great etc etc. A player is going to have to choose what to take, he can't have everything.

What exactly are jetbikes specialized against again?

"Eldar are specialists" is up there with "Eldar are fragile", "Eldar are expensive" "Eldar are hard to play". Just myths people use to justify OP.