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If I was a big event organizer, I wouldn't want to hold an event in an area where businesses could legally refuse my clients service, either. Whether it be directly at the event or around it. In fact, I wouldn't want even a whiff of \ that kind of controversy or the potential for related shenanigans.

I prefer my gaming to be free of politics, if gencon wants to start making moral and politcal endorsements then I'll chose not to attend.

Everyone deserves to be treated equal IMO, but I don't think that the owners of gencon should be stepping into the political arena and using the convention as leverage.

 stanman wrote:
I prefer my gaming to be free of politics, if gencon wants to start making moral and politcal endorsements then I'll chose not to attend.

Everyone deserves to be treated equal IMO, but I don't think that the owners of gencon should be stepping into the political arena and using the convention as leverage.

Normally I agree with you, but (and maybe I'm stereotyping here a little) I think this affects enough of their demographic to potentially be worth them getting involved in for the sake of the moneys.

I go to drink and play games with people, and check out badass costumes. Long as they keep those politics out of what goes on at the con itself, I don't care one way or the other.

 daedalus wrote:
I think this affects enough of their demographic to potentially be worth them getting involved in for the sake of the moneys.

Dingdingding.

Pence to sign religious freedom bill Thursday in private ceremony

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (March 25, 2015)– Indiana Governor Mike Pence will sign Indiana’s controversial religious freedom restoration bill, SB 101, in a private ceremony Thursday. This comes after Mayor Greg Ballard spoke out against the bill Wednesday.

“I don’t believe this legislation truly represents our state or our capital city,” Ballard said.

For those who don't know, which I would guess are most since you don't live here, the mayor is a Republican.

 daedalus wrote:

 stanman wrote:
I prefer my gaming to be free of politics, if gencon wants to start making moral and politcal endorsements then I'll chose not to attend.

Everyone deserves to be treated equal IMO, but I don't think that the owners of gencon should be stepping into the political arena and using the convention as leverage.

Normally I agree with you, but (and maybe I'm stereotyping here a little) I think this affects enough of their demographic to potentially be worth them getting involved in for the sake of the moneys.

http://www.tabletopgaymers.org/conventions/gencon/gencon2014/

 Bookwrack wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 stanman wrote:
I prefer my gaming to be free of politics, if gencon wants to start making moral and politcal endorsements then I'll chose not to attend.

Everyone deserves to be treated equal IMO, but I don't think that the owners of gencon should be stepping into the political arena and using the convention as leverage.

Normally I agree with you, but (and maybe I'm stereotyping here a little) I think this affects enough of their demographic to potentially be worth them getting involved in for the sake of the moneys.

http://www.tabletopgaymers.org/conventions/gencon/gencon2014/

They've been discussed earlier, actually.

Post 2015/03/25 19:30:45 Subject: Re:GenCon threatens to leave Indiana
Pence to sign religious freedom bill Thursday in private ceremony

Oh well, it'll give the whiny losers something to cry over and manufacture outrage for the election ads when 'activist judges' kick it to the curb.

Mmm, sweet tears of impotent outrage.

 Bookwrack wrote:
Oh well, it'll give the whiny losers something to cry over and manufacture outrage for the election ads when 'activist judges' kick it to the curb.

Mmm, sweet tears of impotent outrage.

You did, however, provide the link, which I failed to do.

 Bookwrack wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 stanman wrote:
I prefer my gaming to be free of politics, if gencon wants to start making moral and politcal endorsements then I'll chose not to attend.

Everyone deserves to be treated equal IMO, but I don't think that the owners of gencon should be stepping into the political arena and using the convention as leverage.

Normally I agree with you, but (and maybe I'm stereotyping here a little) I think this affects enough of their demographic to potentially be worth them getting involved in for the sake of the moneys.

http://www.tabletopgaymers.org/conventions/gencon/gencon2014/

Okay, but that's a group there, not the organization. There's anime groups there too. They're kind of annoying, but I don't let them get in the way of my fun either. I look at it the same way as I'd look at, say, that blurb in the D&D 5th book that goes on about how you should think about how your character doesn't have to pander to established gender stereotypes: That is, roll my eyes and get on with life, and maybe troll my friends with it next time we play. Everyone hates me a little more, life goes on.

Actually, I know people the Gaymer ribbon would make super uncomfortable. As the single guy of the group of us that go every year, I might have to pick one up and make creepy advances on some of my friends. Might get some free drinks at the bars from some very nice guys, I'm sure. Still not an issue: Opportunity!

Wake me up when they hang rainbow flags and have mandatory pride parades through the halls.

 daedalus wrote:

 Bookwrack wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 stanman wrote:
I prefer my gaming to be free of politics, if gencon wants to start making moral and politcal endorsements then I'll chose not to attend.

Everyone deserves to be treated equal IMO, but I don't think that the owners of gencon should be stepping into the political arena and using the convention as leverage.

Normally I agree with you, but (and maybe I'm stereotyping here a little) I think this affects enough of their demographic to potentially be worth them getting involved in for the sake of the moneys.

http://www.tabletopgaymers.org/conventions/gencon/gencon2014/

Okay, but that's a group there, not the organization. There's anime groups there too. They're kind of annoying, but I don't let them get in the way of my fun either. I look at it the same way as I'd look at, say, that blurb in the D&D 5th book that goes on about how you should think about how your character doesn't have to pander to established gender stereotypes: That is, roll my eyes and get on with life, and maybe troll my friends with it next time we play. Everyone hates me a little more, life goes on.

Actually, I know people the Gaymer ribbon would make super uncomfortable. As the single guy of the group of us that go every year, I might have to pick one up and make creepy advances on some of my friends. Might get some free drinks at the bars from some very nice guys, I'm sure. Still not an issue: Opportunity!

Wake me up when they hang rainbow flags and have mandatory pride parades through the halls.

Bookwrack's supporting your point about their demographic numbers affected, not countering it.

I see that now. Well, to be fair, I never said I wasn't stupid.

 daedalus wrote:
I see that now. Well, to be fair, I never said I wasn't stupid.

Eh, we all make mistakes.

But that's their plan! The gays are trying to turn our kids gay!


edit: damn, triple ninjed

 Ahtman wrote:
Pence to sign religious freedom bill Thursday in private ceremony

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (March 25, 2015)– Indiana Governor Mike Pence will sign Indiana’s controversial religious freedom restoration bill, SB 101, in a private ceremony Thursday. This comes after Mayor Greg Ballard spoke out against the bill Wednesday.

“I don’t believe this legislation truly represents our state or our capital city,” Ballard said.

For those who don't know, which I would guess are most since you don't live here, the mayor is a Republican.

Wait, you live in Indiana?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Wait, you live in Indiana?

I does indeed.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Wait, you live in Indiana?

I does indeed.

Ignore.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Wait, you live in Indiana?

I does indeed.

I had no idea. I live in North West IN

This entire Gaymer stuff is a stupid and foolish idea to begin with. It's about as stupid as calling female gamers "gamer girls". Using such a terminology highly promotes seperation instead of identifying with one larger group, i.e. gamers.

Texas Wants you GenCon... You know you wish to come to Texas....


Really good for making a stand like this!

I'd be good with Texas.

Well the bill was just signed into law by the Governor, so lets see how this plays out.

Asterios wrote:
Well the bill was just signed into law by the Governor, so lets see how this plays out.

That's really not a surprise at all but I was kinda hoping for a retake of the superbowl VS Arizona. My guess is that this is gonna force a supreme court intervention.

If GenCon decides to leave, I bet it will all be blamed away by Indianans, if that's the correct term, on the political axe to grind by the individual event organizers, rather than on their own decisions on who they elect, what bills they support, and what the consequences are. Its a Brave New World, and homosexual couples are a permanent part of the landscape, so why not just decide to play nice in future?

 jasper76 wrote:
if that's the correct term

It is not.

Don't confuse the few idiots with a modicum of power with everyone in the state either. I already posted how the Republican Mayor of Indianapolis was against this bill, and there are a lot of others as well who aren't so dyed in the wool they are ignorant about what the bill is actually about. There are many Libertarians, Democrats, and Republicans who don't care for this law. In the end it will be shot down by the courts because it is pants on head stupid, but before that it will make all Hoosiers look like backwards idiots.

George Takei's FB response:

I am outraged that Gov. Pence would sign such a divisive measure into law. He has made it clear that LGBT couples, like Brad and me, are now unwelcome in his state. The notion that this bill was not driven by animus against our community is belied by the record and frankly insulting. I will join many in demanding that socially responsible companies withdraw their business, conferences and support from his state and that LGBTs and our friends and supporters refuse to visit or do business with Indiana. It is a sad day for the Hoosier state, and indeed for the many good people of Indiana, for whom this law now stands as a terrible blight upon that state's reputation.

 Freya wrote:

Asterios wrote:
Well the bill was just signed into law by the Governor, so lets see how this plays out.

That's really not a surprise at all but I was kinda hoping for a retake of the superbowl VS Arizona. My guess is that this is gonna force a supreme court intervention.

I'm curious how this will play out in the Supreme court, Personal freedom versus Religious freedom.

I like how people immediately jump to the conclusion that this was passed with the sole intention to actively oppress gays. When in fact, this merely allows people to deny service and go to court about it with the court then deciding whether religious freedom has been violated or not.

But nah, just keep shoving down agendas. Screw rational thinking. We don't need those pesky courts deciding on what's right or not, we know it better!

I'm willing to bet that Gen con will take their business to California now. I doubt that they'd go to any state that doesn't have protections for the LGB community after their public statement and of all the states that make sense, california is the top of the list in my mind.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I like how people immediately jump to the conclusion that this was passed with the sole intention to actively oppress gays. When in fact, this merely allows people to deny service and go to court about it with the court then deciding whether religious freedom has been violated or not.

Sounds like a wonderful vacation spot for gay couples! Get denied service, then win a wonderul trip to the Courts???