Codex: Khorne Demonkin - ask away

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**Lord Yayula**

Chaospling wrote:
Well my 2000 points list would so far be:

Combined Arms Detachment from the Chaos Space Marines codex:

HQ - 240 points

Chaos Lord with Mark of Khorne, Axe of Blind Fury - Goes with the Khorne Daemonkin Possessed Marines in the Land Raider

Chaos Sorcerer, Psychic level 3, Bike - Goes with the Khorne Daemonkin Fleshhounds (Maybe the Bikes so not to lose the Toughness 5)

Troops - 245 points

8 Chaos Space Marines, Plasmagun

7 Chaos Space Marines, Plasmagun

Heavy Support - 395 points

1 Obliterator

1 Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery, Cyclotrathe pattern conversion beamer

Chaos Land Raider, 1st War of Armageddon

Bloodhost

Slaughtercult

HQ - 55 points

Herald of Khorne

Troops - 200 Points

8 Bloodletters, Instrument, Icon

8 Bloodletters, Instrument, Icon

Elites - 150 points

5 Possessed Marines

War Engines - 430 points

1 Blood Slaughterer, Impaler (Given this will be possible of course)

Soul Grinder, Baleful Torrent

Maulerfiend, Lasher Tendrils

Gore Pack detachment:

Bikes and Hounds - 260 points

3 Chaos Bikers, 2 Meltaguns

3 Chaos Bikers, 2 Meltaguns

5 Flesh Hounds

This leaves 25 points which probably will go to the Bikes, Hounds or gear for the Herald.

2 Chaos Space Marines squads, 1 Obliterator, 1 Chaos Rapier weapons battery and 1 Land Raider do not earn Blood Points when dealing the "killing blow" to a unit. The Herald of Khorne will probably join Chaos Space Marines squad to confer Fearless and be ready to defend deployment zone.

Bloodletters, Blood Slaughterer, Soul Grinder and maybe the Obliterator will Deep Strike. Bloodletters will help the Blood Slaughterer and Soul Grinder to join the battle.
One-zone-attack: Land Raider transporting Possessed Marines and the Chaos Lord will advance with Maulerfiend, Hounds and Chaos Sorcerer closeby, maybe also the Bikes.

That's my first thoughts. Will try to make the Khorne Daemonkin codex work with other codices as we can work around the problem of other units not having the Blood for the Blood God special rule.

I kinda get the vibe that you won't really generate many BT points due to the lack of assault power on most of the daemonkin units, and even after getting some the only unit that might have some real benefit will be the possessed, since the rest will have a hard time staying alive. Mixing the hounds and herald with CSM units sounds nice, however a better organized CSM force with just an allied detachment would be cheaper and still allow you to field both of those units.

**Drasius**

How does the axe that turns you into a bloodthirster when you die work? Do you take d3 wounds for holding it, d3 wounds for holding it only once you've turned into the BT or both? What sort of points value are we looking at for it?

**Lord Yayula**

Drasius wrote:
How does the axe that turns you into a bloodthirster when you die work? Do you take d3 wounds for holding it, d3 wounds for holding it only once you've turned into the BT or both? What sort of points value are we looking at for it?

Once you have turned into a BT and is 60 pts, pretty expensive for a power axe

**Drasius**

Cheers.

**Chaospling**

@Lord Yayula: I wanted target saturation, ranged attacks and earn Blood Points with units which don't have the Blood for the Blood God special rule. The Herald could join the Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery and enjoy Toughness 7 and hope that the Conversion beamer will kill something.
You don't think that the Chaos Lord with a Axe of Blind Fury + 5 Possessed, the Conversion Beamer, 2 x 3 Bikes with 2 Meltaguns each, the Maulerfiend, the Blood Slaughter or the Soul Grinder will kill anything? I would go for a Blood Thirster and the +1 Attack.

**Hollismason**

CrownAxe wrote:
How many points is that

2,115 A More Realistic would probably be

Juggerlord (170)
2x8 Blood Letters(160)
Possessed (160)

3x3 2 Meltagun Bike Squads ( 288)
10 Flesh Hounds (160)
10 Flesh Hounds (160)

Mauler Fiend x 2 (260)
Soul Grinder x 3 (310)

1818

My point is you can do all kinds of crazy gak with the codex if you want to the only problem is the 150 points of worthlessness that you gotta take :(.

**Lord Yayula**

Chaospling wrote:
@Lord Yayula: I wanted target saturation, ranged attacks and earn Blood Points with units which don't have the Blood for the Blood God special rule. The Herald could join the Chaos Rapier Weapons Battery and enjoy Toughness 7 and hope that the Conversion beamer will kill something.
You don't think that the Chaos Lord with a Axe of Blind Fury + 5 Possessed, the Conversion Beamer, 2 x 3 Bikes with 2 Meltaguns each, the Maulerfiend, the Blood Slaughter or the Soul Grinder will kill anything? I would go for a Blood Thirster and the +1 Attack.

I highly doubt the Blood Slaughter can be fielded, at least at this time, maybe with a FAQ or update from FW.

The possessed unit sure it will with the chaos lord.

3 T5 bikes, with 2 melta shots may take down some light AV if the enemy doesn't focus them, which if you are getting close with bikes, hounds, AV12 maulerfiend, AV 14 LR and AV13 soul grinder, the hounds and bikes will eat all the S7 or less hits, the heavy firepower will go to one of the armored units. So one of those squads probably won't make it.

And even once you get the 8 BT which should take around 3 turns with the +1 bonus from the formation, assuming the rapier does tons of dmg as well as the walkers. Which character would be left to be the vessel for the BT?, the Herald, hopefully 1 Biker champion and that's it. Or trade the herald for a BT, which will DS in said turn 3, change to ground mode on turn 4 and get a charge on turn 5

**Hollismason**

Yeah but you could also just

Skulltaker on a Juggernaught
5 Possesed
8 Bloodletters
8 Bloodletters

2 x 5 Chaos Bikers w/ 2 Melta Guns , Combimelta
5 Hounds

3 Maulerfiends
3 Soul Grinders

It's a good codex is what I'm saying because you can mix Soul Grinders and Mauler Fiends in large numbers together in one army. Using bikes to screen the Maulerfiends , then deep strike your blood letters w/ a Musician and Icon to bring in the Soul Grinders who can handle Flying stuff.

I mean being able to bring 4 Units of Flesh Hounds w/ Bikers that can have meltas , then taking a lot of mauler fiends and Flesh Hounds is pretty amazing.

**Chaospling**

@Lord Yayula: Actually I just read that the possession can only happen through a character with the Daemon of Khorne special rule (Would be cooler if only mortals could be possessed though i.e. characters with the Mark of Khorne.) So that leaves the Possessed Champion and the Herald, so a Daemon Prince or Blood Thirster probably won't happen... Well maybe they will.

Also remember that most of my units generate Blood Points when they die or those Bike and Hounds aren't much more expensive than a squad of Cultists.

Edit: Grammar.

**changemod**

You know what would make sense?

Mortals are promoted to Daemon Prince, Heralds and unit leader Daemons are elevated to the eighth rank of Bloodthirster.

**Chaospling**

@Lord Yayula: I misread - only models with the Blood of the Blood God special rule and WITHOUT the Daemon of Khorne special rule can be possessed.

@changemod: Hehe yup, that makes more sense.

**Lord Yayula**

Chaospling wrote:
@Lord Yayula: I misread - only models with the Blood of the Blood God special rule and WITHOUT the Daemon of Khorne special rule can be possessed.

@changemod: Hehe yup, that makes more sense.

Mmmm, that takes the possessed champion out of it and leaves only the 2 champions on the bikes as vessels for the BT or DP

**Chaospling**

@Lord Yayula: Agreed.

**GoonBandito**

To be honest, due to the restrictions on Summoning, I wouldn't be focused on trying to summon in Demon Princes or Bloodthirsters. Well maybe a Demon Prince without wings, since you only have to wait 1 turn before you charge. Summoning Flying Monstrous Creatures isn't exactly stellar with the ways we can do it now (Malefic Demonology), and I don't think Blood Tithe is going to change that. Especially since you can at least attempt to summon a Bloodthirster/Lord of Change on turn 1 with Psychic Summoning - there's very little chance of getting 7 or 8 Blood Tithe points on turn 1 or even turn 2.

I think you're much better off using the Blood Tithe to gain the Rage/Furious Charge, Feel No Pain and +Attack buffs. Summoning Bloodletters/Flesh Hounds or Bloodcrushers/Skull Cannons might be useful in some situations, particularly the Skull Cannon since it can shoot after it Deep Strikes, but overall buffing your guys that are actually going to assault this turn would be a much more beneficial tactic.

**Hollismason**

What was the cost of the Possessed?

Oh does the regular Cad have any bonuses ?

**GoonBandito**

Hollismason wrote:
What was the cost of the Possessed?

Oh does the regular Cad have any bonuses ?

Possessed are 4pts/model more expensive than in Codex: Chaos Space Marines. This takes into account the cost of the Mark of Khorne (3pts/model for Possessed) and the Demon of Khorne (apparently priced at 1pt/model for Possessed) rules. Minimum squad is 5 for 150pts.

A regular CAD is a regular CAD... same as the Base Rule Book. The only Detachment in the Demonkin book is the Blood Host (Decurion Style thing) and the 5 Formations that can either be included in the Blood Host or separately like any other formation.

**Hollismason**

Do all of the Vehicles have the Blood rule as well like the Defiler etc..?

Are their options for Musicians and Instruments in the Bloodletter and other squads?

**Slayer le boucher**

Its been 8 -9 months that i din't play, because i've lost all motivation.

i was just waiting for a rumored khorne codex or World eaters thing, with not much conviction...

i was excited when i saw the rumors about this book, but those last leaks just killed it again.

Now i'm terrified of what a eventual futur World eaters codex would end up looking like, i'm so afraid of it, that i simply don't want to see it becoming real.

Please GW, stop, stop the bleeding, make CSM something like a NPC race, and leave it alone, its depressing...

**Hollismason**

I don't understand why you are upset this is a pretty decent book. It's missed some things like Chosen and Kharn but otherwise the unit selection is incredibly excellent.

Turn 2 you are almost guarenteed with the Bloodhost to get FNP or more , that's pretty great FNP a turn? Yes please.

**dragoonmaster101**

How many of each formation are you allowed to take? In one of the "decurian" like formation can I have more than just 1 warmachine?

**Hollismason**

Also do people realize how insanely awesome the Flesh Hound are from that detachment?

10 Flesh Hounds Base 2 Attacks, use 3 Blood Points, they get Feel no pain and pick Rage. They also have hammer of Wrath.

That's 10 ST4 and 40 ST 5 Attacks WS5.

That's really good on a 16 point model thats Fearless , 5+ , 5+ FNP.

Now add in that you can easily add 2 Mauler Fiends and 2 Soul Grinders to the Detachment for a very respectable cost.

**Efrum**

Follow up to the earlier question about getting a land raider in the formation without having to make it a DT of termis--Is it still allowed to take dozer blades, or have they nixed that for chaos like they have for the loyalist variants?

**Slayer le boucher**

Hollismason wrote:
I don't understand why you are upset this is a pretty decent book. It's missed some things like Chosen and Kharn but otherwise the unit selection is incredibly excellent.

Turn 2 you are almost guarenteed with the Bloodhost to get FNP or more , that's pretty great FNP a turn? Yes please.

Why upset?, it litterally takes Half of both codexes rules and toss them in the sewer, so you end up with units that have only parts of their rules, that got replaced by 2 gimmicky rules, with no wargear for one side and overpriced wargear for the other.

Gimmicky rules where its supposedly centered around grinding points to summon MOAR deamons, but those Deamons can't do jack gak for a whole 2 turns in most cases.

Its litteraly the Only codex in existance, where there is HQ models that CAN'T TAKE fething WARGEAR, even freakin Nids Bugs have WARGEAR on their darned tyrants...

No new unit, despite this thing been a full codex and not just a supplement( feth even some supplements have new/modified units and/or special characters).

And in no way they did address the problems that there is with those two codexes in the first place.

So yeah its a fun to watch book, i don't find it a fun to play book, now thats just like my opinion i know, but i'm really dissapointed with this.

**Hollismason**

Do you even have the book?

**GoonBandito**

Hollismason wrote:
Do all of the Vehicles have the Blood rule as well like the Defiler etc..?

Are their options for Musicians and Instruments in the Bloodletter and other squads?

1) Yes. I think even Rhinos and Land Raiders have it too, but I'll have to check

2) Yes, same as Codex: Chaos Demons. Summoned squads that have those options can take them for free when they are summoned, just like Psychic Summoning.

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dragoonmaster101 wrote:
How many of each formation are you allowed to take? In one of the "decurian" like formation can I have more than just 1 warmachine?

Check my OP which has the Blood Host Detachment outline

**Hollismason**

Why do you have a Fleur De Lis as your icon?

**dragoonmaster101**

GoonBandito wrote:
Hollismason wrote:
Do all of the Vehicles have the Blood rule as well like the Defiler etc..?

Are their options for Musicians and Instruments in the Bloodletter and other squads?

1) Yes. I think even Rhinos and Land Raiders have it too, but I'll have to check

2) Yes, same as Codex: Chaos Demons. Summoned squads that have those options can take them for free when they are summoned, just like Psychic Summoning.

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dragoonmaster101 wrote:
How many of each formation are you allowed to take? In one of the "decurian" like formation can I have more than just 1 warmachine?

Check my OP which has the Blood Host Detachment outline

Uh... That still doesn't answer my question, can you only take one of each formation or is it unlimited?

Edit: OOOPS srry, just going to clarify here so I can take up to 8 in total of any formation?

**jpjupiter**

I already have my Deathstar planned if we can mix demons and marines.... Blood Cult, with a squad of 15-20 strong berzerkers (+1 S on charge, 5 WS), and a Herald with the Locus of Fury ( Rage = +2 A on charge). Then a CAD including Kharn (warlord trait, gives a unit he joins Hatred, re-roll failed to hit in 1st round of combat) and throw them all in a Spartan Assault tank with the Legacy of Ruin, Maelstrom rider, so the vehicle has outflank. Heads are gonna roll,if this is legal ;p

**GreyHamster**

Mark of Khorne already grants Rage. You just need to give the Herald an Exalted Locus. They also won't be able to charge the turn they arrive from reserves, so no point starting off the board.

**GoonBandito**

Hollismason wrote:
Why do you have a Fleur De Lis as your icon?

Because I'm a Sisters player who is also a dirty Chaos Worshipper D:

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dragoonmaster101 wrote:

Uh... That still doesn't answer my question, can you only take one of each formation or is it unlimited?

Edit: OOOPS srry, just going to clarify here so I can take up to 8 in total of any formation?

Yes Bloodhost is 1+ Slaughtercult Formations, and then 1-8 of Brazen Onslaught/Khorne's Bloodstorm/Gorepack/Charnel Cohort/War Engine and 0-1 Lords of Slaughter per Slaughtercult. So you could have a Blood Host Detachment that is a Single Herald, 2 Bloodletter units, 1 Possessed Unit and 8 Soul Grinders.