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Super Newb wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Massaen wrote:
15 shots at S6 with ignores cover and a BS boost from an imperative will drop 3hp on any av12 flyer with ease. That's not including the auto cannon or missile launcher. That's huge!

Even flyrants won't like that and take 2-3 wounds after saves from just the rockets. That's fantastic! Realistically these things kill flying things dead.

Well three of them do, and three of them are 195 points minimum.

Base price without any upgrades for three is 270. That's before the anti aircraft guns are even taken.

Omg you're right I had the dumb.

So what is your 375 point unit doing to ground units again?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

So what is your 375 point unit doing to ground units again?

Indeed! If the opponent has no fliers or one flyer then it looks like the Skitarii player comes out behind on that exchange.




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 Leth wrote:
I plan to run three but how they are equiped and if they are in a unit will depend.

It is a tough call but I will definitely have to see what the post eldar meta looks like before I finish kitting them out

Surely the answer to this is magnets?
I don't have the kit, I am still debating on getting the crabs, but please tell me it is easy enough to magnetize the weapons?

I normally ignored flyers most of the time, or just massed snap shots at them. Ill agree, using the dunecrawlers as permanant AA platforms is both tempting and disappointing as it severely limits a 125 point model to AA.

If flyers are an issue, I feel ballistari may actually be a better platform as for that same point cost you could get 6 balistari or 4 with lascannons. Yeah they don't skyfire or intercept, but BS2 twin'linked against flyers aint bad, and they can also engage ground targets in the meantime.

I am liking crawlers more in the double stubber, neutron laser or stubber phosphur catagory better. i have considered running them simply as phosphur/stubber to act as support for my assault units.

I was actually disappointed that the Onager(and the Hydra for that matter) did not get a purchasable upgrade allowing for their AA weaponry to hit ground targets at less of a penalty.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Massaen wrote:
15 shots at S6 with ignores cover and a BS boost from an imperative will drop 3hp on any av12 flyer with ease. That's not including the auto cannon or missile launcher. That's huge!

Even flyrants won't like that and take 2-3 wounds after saves from just the rockets. That's fantastic! Realistically these things kill flying things dead.

Well three of them do, and three of them are 195 points minimum. Tell me, what do they do to any ground target ever for nearly 200 points?

Also at BS5 the rockets only do an average of 2 hull points to a plane that is armor 12.

Arent most fliers around 200 points anyway? give or take about fidy

 Desubot wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Massaen wrote:
15 shots at S6 with ignores cover and a BS boost from an imperative will drop 3hp on any av12 flyer with ease. That's not including the auto cannon or missile launcher. That's huge!

Even flyrants won't like that and take 2-3 wounds after saves from just the rockets. That's fantastic! Realistically these things kill flying things dead.

Well three of them do, and three of them are 195 points minimum. Tell me, what do they do to any ground target ever for nearly 200 points?

Also at BS5 the rockets only do an average of 2 hull points to a plane that is armor 12.

Arent most fliers around 200 points anyway? give or take about fidy

3 crabs with AA guns is closer to 400 points actually. 375 for 3 dudes who are really bad against ground targets is probably not the wisest choice.

I will definitely be magnitizing when I buy my crabs.

Honestly, I think you would likely have better luck with B-tars with autocannons. 12 twin linked cognis autocannon shots vs 15 S6 missiles, 6 autocannon shots and 3 plasma shots. Fairly comparable, cras have slightly higher output but can't engage ground targets, but better BS against air targets. B-tars have more high strength shots, twin linked, can engage ground targets and higher survivability with 12 HP vs 6 HP. B-tars have av 11 no save, where as crabs have av12 and a 6++/5++/4++.

Cognis really gives the b-tars a lot of flexibility, bs2 twin linked against flyers is really not that bad.

 gameandwatch wrote:
Honestly, I think you would likely have better luck with B-tars with autocannons. 12 twin linked cognis autocannon shots vs 15 S6 missiles, 6 autocannon shots and 3 plasma shots. Fairly comparable, cras have slightly higher output but can't engage ground targets, but better BS against air targets. B-tars have more high strength shots, twin linked, can engage ground targets and higher survivability with 12 HP vs 6 HP. B-tars have av 11 no save, where as crabs have av12 and a 6++/5++/4++.

Cognis really gives the b-tars a lot of flexibility, bs2 twin linked against flyers is really not that bad.

The chicken walkers are also a bit cheaper* than the crabs. 6 of them is 330 points. 3 crabs with AA guns is 375.


*Cheaper points-wise in game. Definitely not cheaper real money wise!

Odds of coming up against a skimmer, flyer or FMC in today's meta is pretty high...

Right now I'd lay down 3 onagers with arrays quite happily in a tournement setting. 375 pts dedicated to taking out those units efficiently is pts well spent in an 1750-1850 pt comp. besides they are durable beasts too.

Ballistarii don't scream any importance to me. 55 pt auto cannon turret on open topped av11 - with no save is weak. If you want creepy long legged runners go for dragoons.

 Wilson wrote:
Odds of coming up against a skimmer, flyer or FMC in today's meta is pretty high...

Right now I'd lay down 3 onagers with arrays quite happily in a tournement setting. 375 pts dedicated to taking out those units efficiently is pts well spent in an 1750-1850 pt comp. besides they are durable beasts too.

Ballistarii don't scream any importance to me. 55 pt auto cannon turret on open topped av11 - with no save is weak. If you want creepy long legged runners go for dragoons.

Sure, I am not against running it either, was just suggesting a possible alternative.

Dragoons are definitely not anti-flyer but they have their uses. Ranged Dragoons are better for helping to take out MCs or elite infantry with their crazy rad sniper gun. Melee Dragoons are good for lancing a lot of things to death, vehicles included lol.

3 Iccarus sounds tempting but would pidgenhoul the squad against anything not a flyer/skimmer

I've been debating doing 2 and 2, 2 icarus crawlers and 2 neutron crawlers. granted a 5++ isnt as good, but is more versatile, and they're neat models

Super Newb wrote:
Dragoons are definitely not anti-flyer but they have their uses.

No they arent - although their taser lances are arguably long enough to poke a bird in mid flight.

 Wilson wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Dragoons are definitely not anti-flyer but they have their uses.

No they arent - although their taser lances are arguably long enough to poke a bird in mid flight.

^truth...they get the award for longest weapon in the game

 gameandwatch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Dragoons are definitely not anti-flyer but they have their uses.

No they arent - although their taser lances are arguably long enough to poke a bird in mid flight.

^truth...they get the award for longest weapon in the game

Longest non-proportional, perhaps. NDK sword and Wraithknight ghostglaive are pretty enormous.

Man imagine if they could assault flyers...it would be like the old joust arcade game in 40k!

And yes, I meant longest in proportion to the owners body. Cause man is that a tiny guy with a huge weapon

 gameandwatch wrote:
Man imagine if they could assault flyers...

GW has heard you - Eldar can do this. Pretty much, anyway, with Swooping Hawks. And with Haywire.

 gameandwatch wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Dragoons are definitely not anti-flyer but they have their uses.

No they arent - although their taser lances are arguably long enough to poke a bird in mid flight.

^truth...they get the award for longest weapon in the game

It's not the size that counts - it's how you use it.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 gameandwatch wrote:
Man imagine if they could assault flyers...

GW has heard you - Eldar can do this. Pretty much, anyway, with Swooping Hawks. And with Haywire.

DE scourges not being able to do something similar has always bugged me.

Redheaded stepchild thing I know.

So thoughts guys

Skitarii+ Flesh Tearers Strike force

3 pods, 3 rhinos. Some HQ with +1 strategic(so two rolls)

6 5 man units of Vanguard 3 haywire, 3 plasma
Some CC guys that can go in 1-2 of the pods, whatever floats your fancy

Just a basic outline but I can see it doing some work. Take advantage of the two fire points, mix up what units are going where based on the needs of the enemy army.

Can't do 3 plasma in a unit of 5, but you can do 2 arc rifle and 1 arc pistol.

 ultimentra wrote:
Can't do 3 plasma in a unit of 5, but you can do 2 arc rifle and 1 arc pistol.

Yup.

I think they meant half of their 6 troops squads would be arc squads and half would be plasma squads.

 ultimentra wrote:
Can't do 3 plasma in a unit of 5, but you can do 2 arc rifle and 1 arc pistol.

I meant 3 units of haywire and 3 units of plasma, not 3 per squad lol.

Right! Exactly! Uhhh I totally knew that... was just testing you... XD dang it

So I have a game this weekend against GK/Tau.

I don't have much Skit stuff, so I suppose I'm going to ally with them with my own Tau.

 Verviedi wrote:
So I have a game this weekend against GK/Tau.

I don't have much Skit stuff, so I suppose I'm going to ally with them with my own Tau.

PM me with about how much Skitarii stuff you have, and if you're playing at our shop.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
So I have a game this weekend against GK/Tau.

I don't have much Skit stuff, so I suppose I'm going to ally with them with my own Tau.

PM me with about how much Skitarii stuff you have, and if you're playing at our shop.

Playing at home. Sorry man, I have a party in the middle of the day and won't be able to go.

Works out fine then; you're not playing against the silly allied shenanigans like last weekend.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Works out fine then; you're not playing against the silly allied shenanigans like last weekend.

Last weekend we obliterated the Dark Eldar/Tyranid alliance, but I see where you're going. Fighting CSM/GK/Orks was true hell.

Here's the list I'll use until I have more Skits. I call it "Tautology Club"

Tautology Club v1.0 Total-1750

Combined Arms Detachment- Codex: Tau Empire-
HQ-
Commander (210 pts)
-XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit
-Command and Control Node
-Puretide Engram Neurochip
-Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suite
-Shield Generator
-Stimulant Injector
-Vectored Retro-Thrusters

Ethereal (50 pts)

Troops-
Fire Warrior Team (179 pts)
-Devilfish

Fire Warrior Team (179 pts)
-Devilfish

Elites-
Crisis Team (171)
-6x Plasma Rifles
-3x Vectored-Retro-Thrusters

Crisis Team (171)
-6x Fusion Blasters
-3x Vectored Retro-Thrusters

Crisis Team (156)
-6x Missile Pod

Fast Attack-
Pathfinder Team (44)

Heavy Support-
Hammerhead Gunship (170)
-Ion Cannon
-Longstrike
-SMS

Maniple Detachment- Codex: Skitarii-

Troops-
Skitarii Rangers (110)
-Transuranic Arquebus
-Omnispex
-Converter Field

Skitarii Vanguard (125)
-2x Plasma Caliver
-Converter Field
-Omnispex

Elites-
Sicaran Infiltrators (185)
-Taser Goad and Flechette Blaster