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Does it though? Drop pods and canticles specify "At the begining of your turn"

Are they concurrent or do you get to choose which one goes first since they both happen at the same time?

 buddha wrote:
Some ad mech thoughts I'd love advice on.

- even including allies, where do players find their dominus goes best with? He's so generalist I feel like he is wasted wherever I put him.

- has anyone thought about putting destroyers or breachers in allied rhinos for alpha strike protection and mobility?

Naked 10man Vanguard squad, as far as a purist AdMech army. Leaves the anti-infantry duty to the anti-infantry folks. Keep a Knight nearby so he can repair if necessary.

I feel that putting the dominus w/ autocadeus (IWND relic) with almost any multi wound Admech unit is a guaranteed way to have him not only use him to his fullest but really ensure that unit sticks around to make it points back. Granted there are some better choices than others but I feel he shines best in a cohort cybernetica.

As far as kataphrons in transports go, I had considered it. Though as I only have Admech and IG I'd be stuck with Chimeras. Until IG get a new codex with Fast attack chimeras instead just dedicated transport I don't see that idea working. I'd say the Idea has potential, if drop pods work i don't see why rhinos wouldn't as long as your aware that they WILL get esploded.

As far as allies go, I'm sure a Dominus would love Centurions.

Mainly cause Rhinos cant transport bulky/very bulky models as far as I'm aware.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Mainly cause Rhinos cant transport bulky/very bulky models as far as I'm aware.

but chimeras can right.....

 Exergy wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Mainly cause Rhinos cant transport bulky/very bulky models as far as I'm aware.

but chimeras can right.....

Yep.

Even better, Inquisition Chimeras are 5ed style. So cheaper and have 5 fire points. Perfect for Destoyers or Skitarii. And Inquistors make pretty cool proxies for ad mech priests and it would be easy to turn the retinues into something Admech flavored. So much potential both in game and on display, much more so than Fleshtearers imo.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Does it though? Drop pods and canticles specify "At the begining of your turn"

Are they concurrent or do you get to choose which one goes first since they both happen at the same time?

There was a YMDC either here or on another forum... Basically you choose the Drop Pods for DPA at the beginning of your turn, you are correct. But the wording for DPA states "Units making a drop pod assault arrive on the controlling players first turn". The key word here is "on", not "at the beginning", which implies they follow standard Deep Strike rules. That said, in the past, GW had FAQ'd in 6th that Deep Strike and Blessings happen simultaneously, so the controlling player chooses, not sure how much that applies now.

SO I was in a tournament last weekend and got to run the sicarian killclade.

Some Notes:
- the 12" bubble from the infiltrators is AWESOME, so amazingly useful especially for severely hampering drop pod armies.
- the run and charge for 1 turn is incredible. The highest mobility of any assault unit I have seen, I had one crazy long 30" charge one game.

Downsides:
-the formation is very expensive and limits what else you can take
-it is a TRAVESTY that all the sicarians are t3. I just had no answer to most of the current competitive meta when there wasn't tons of cover on the board. Scat bikes are so soul crushing.

So how is your store/opponents reacting to AM armies yall are fielding?

TuddFudders wrote:
So how is your store/opponents reacting to AM armies yall are fielding?

Very negatively to the war convocation. It seems people hate free wargear, 2+ cover saves and bs7 troops with plasma!

I personally love it.

Meanwhile, my main opponent seems to be calling AdMech as a faction OP every other turn, and apparently AdMech are better than Eldar.

Hilariously, my Onager Dunecrawler has done all of the following in 4 games.

•Killed a full-health Daemon Prince in close combat.
•Killed a Bloodthirster with a heavy stubber.
•Took 7 hull points off a Lord Of Skulls with two shots.
•Killed 5 Chaos Terminators in shooting and 1 in close combat.

Cognis Manipulator OP, please nerf!

TuddFudders wrote:So how is your store/opponents reacting to AM armies yall are fielding?

By and large, my Skitarii have been getting comments of "surprisingly not-OP". I had an Eldar player who was kitted out for a War Convocation thinking it was all stuff that was in the main Codex, so had to drop some truth on him.

Wilson wrote:

TuddFudders wrote:
So how is your store/opponents reacting to AM armies yall are fielding?

Very negatively to the war convocation. It seems people hate free wargear, 2+ cover saves and bs7 troops with plasma!

I personally love it.

Shocking, right?

Actually, by in large ad mech has been regarded as decent, but not nearly overpowered.

Playing as them I would not call them mediocre, but a shoe in easy win they are not.

I wish I could field a crap-ton of dragoons, but man, are they too expensive to get in bulk. Really wish they were a 3 per box kit, for like, 90.

 gameandwatch wrote:
Actually, by in large ad mech has been regarded as decent, but not nearly overpowered.

Playing as them I would not call them mediocre, but a shoe in easy win they are not.

I wish I could field a crap-ton of dragoons, but man, are they too expensive to get in bulk. Really wish they were a 3 per box kit, for like, 90.

Tell me about it I like dragoons as well, but every time I think about expanding my force of them I decide against it due to just the price.
Speaking of them... I know that i cant be the only person who magnetized my model to switch between ballistarii an dragoon. What is everyone seeing run more often and does the ironstrider formation really seem lack luster or is that just me?

Judging by the fact that Balistarii are horrendous, I am guessing Sydonian Dragoons are used more.

Here is my most recent list. 1500 point TAC army. Could I have some critique? As soon as I can afford a Knight, I will run War Convocation.

1500 AdMech - "Crocodile Rock"

Primary Detachment- Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation

HQ-
Tech-Priest Dominus (150)
-Eradication Ray
-Raiment of the Technomartyrs

Troops-
Kataphron Destroyers (165)
-Heavy Grav Cannon

Kataphron Breachers (150)
-Heavy Arc Rifle

Skitarii Maniple Detachment

Troops-
5x Skitarii Rangers (85)
-2x Arquebus

10x Skitarii Vanguard (200)
-3x Plasma
-Omnispex

10x Skitarii Vanguard (185)
-3x Arc
-Arc Pistol/Arc Maul
-Conversion Field
-Omnispex

Elites-
5x Sicarian Ruststalkers (175)
-Conversion Field

5x Sicarian Infiltrators (195)
-Conversion Field
-Taser/Flechette

Fast Attack-
Sydonian Dragoon (55)
-Phosphor Serpenta

Heavy Support-
Onager Dunecrawler (145)
-Neutron Laser
-Stubber
-Cognis Manipulator

If the War Convocation list didn't have free wargear or give canticles to all units, it wouldn't be used. That is essentially what you have, a War convocation without the bonuses or the Knight. The Knight is what tanks/draws fire for the army and the Canticles for everyone is what really makes the list top tier, the free points is just the icing on top. If you can't get an Imperial knight, try to borrow one haha.

I severely doubt anyone in my FLGS trusts me enough to let me borrow a Knight, and I really don't like even touching other people's models. I should be coming by some money soon, however.

Got a question would mechanicus either skitari or cult add anything to a Emporers Children themed csm army?

Can you post your Emperor's Children list so we can see what holes need to be filled, no pun intended?

Well currently the 1500 point list Im running is
Chaos Lord on bike with lightening claw Power fist mark of slaanesh sigil of Corruption Daemonheart melta bombs

Chaos Sorceror Mastery Level 3 sigil of Corruption the bale star of Manon

5 noise marines with a blast master
5 noise marines with a blast master
Rhino

6 chosen with 5 plasma guns Combi plasma
Rhino

5 chaos bikes mark of slaanesh Icon of excess 2 melta Guns Combi Melta melta bombs.

3 Obliterators
Defiler with power fist power scourge
The defiler il be honest I'm thinking of dropping it proved to me today why I actually stopped using it lol. The problems I'm having is aside from the chosen with their plasma and the melta Guns as well as the obliterators I have very little answer to 2+ saves and vehicles at range also outside of my biker unit my units get eaten up quite quickly due to grav seeming to be popular here.

I recommend allying in Grav Kataphrons, Arc Vanguard for AV, and Neutronagers. They would provide some countering to 2+ saves and heavy vehicles.
Could I have a source on the Black Star and Daemonheart? I do not believe they are in the core dex.

 Verviedi wrote:
I recommend allying in Grav Kataphrons, Arc Vanguard for AV, and Neutronagers. They would provide some countering to 2+ saves and heavy vehicles.
Could I have a source on the Black Star and Daemonheart? I do not believe they are in the core dex.

Black Legion supplement

With jetbike hoards, space marine grav bikes in high volumes and tricky ravenwing re rollables, the Acheron is becoming more and more appealing.

I've mostly just ran the convocation, because i love the variation but due to the cerastus rule I cannot fit an Acheron in.

for the UK GT (1500 pts), I'm considering something like this;

Cult mech
Dominus - conversion shield

Kataphrons- grav
Kataphrons - haywire

Skitarii maniple

10 Vanguard - plasma
5 Vanguard - haywire

Dune crawler - Icarus array

Blood Angels
librarian level 2 , auspex

Scouts
3 drop pods

Acheron

Really I'm dropping army wide canticles, 2 units of sicarians and a unit of dragoons for 3 drop pods, a libby and ofcourse the Acheron.
Interested to see how that trades off!

Hmm can the FW Knights be run in the convocation?

Any suggestions on best relics per unit in the war convocation?

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm can the FW Knights be run in the convocation?

Yes of course, but you have to take another knight as well as per the cerastus rule.


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wodyjoe wrote:
Any suggestions on best relics per unit in the war convocation?

Pater radium - rustalkers
Infiltrators - phospheonix or phase taser
Vanguard - omniscient mask
Rangers - skull of elder Nikela( I put haywire guns on these)

Dominus - RAIMENT OF THE TECHNOMARTYR - goes with grav

Vanguard - Phosphenix because they are in drop pods in my list and can actually use it on something good.

Infiltrators - Pater radium or phase taser

Rustalkers - Omni Mask, they need to stay in the second round of combat to get their melee attacks to AP2

Rangers - Arkhans divinator to reroll the objective they are camping on to hope for skyfire nexus so the Transanic rifles are effective against flyers.

Dominus - Scryersgaze skull because you basically guarantee the vehicle you target with it a turn will die no matter what.

If I misspelled anything, it is because i'm to lazy to remember super ridiculous names that make no sense for the most part.

Interesting to see the varying wargear people are having success with. Please keep the ideas coming.

I actually agree with TuddFudders, Omnimask is a must take on the RustStalkers and the free wounds that ignore armor from the Pater Radium far outweigh the AP- instant death from the Phase Taser.

Still not sure about the Scyerskull for the Dominus, useful for the grav cannons and Neutronagers yes, but not for haywire.