Tactica Mechanicus - All Hail Mars! - 7th Edition Legacy Tactics

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**NorseSig**

Buzz1991 wrote:
Well I have been storming a list. I'm trying to take advantage of the White Scars tactics along with a conclave.
Also I like the idea of an un-killable unit counting for canticles, the defense line.
This is also more tailored for local meta, and there aren't many death stars.

War Convocation- 2000
Mechanicus Battle Congregation
HQ
- Dominus 105
- stasis field, Skryerskull Perspicatus
Troops
- Destroyers 165
- Grav, 3 cognis flamer
- Destroyers 165
- Grav, 3 cognis flamer
Fortification
- Aegis defense line
Skitarii Battle Maniple
- 5 Vanguard 55
- 2 calivers, omnispex, data-tether
- arc pistol, arc maul, refractor field, digital weapons, Pater Radium
- 5 Rangers 65
- 2 calivers, omnispex, data-tether
- arc pistol, arc maul, refractor field, digital weapons, Phosphoenix
- 5 Rustalkers 160
- refractor field, digital weapons, dataspike, Omniscient Mask (zealot)
- 5 Infiltrators 185
- taser goads, flechette blasters
- infoslave skull, refractor field, dig weapons, Phase Taser
- 2 Dragoons 90
- phosphor serpentas
- Dunecrawler 90
- Icarus, cognis hvy stubber, mindscanner probe, cognis manipulator
Oathsworn
- Knight Destroyer 425
- rapid fire battle cannon, twin icarus, meltagun

Librarius Conclave (White Scars)
- ML2 Lib on bike 110 Divination
- ML2 Lib on bike 110 Divination (Knight Destroyer)
- ML2 Lib, auspex on bike 115 Telepathy (Infiltrators)
- ML2 Lib on bike 110 Telepathy

This looks pretty good, but I wonder if it is worth bothering with the twin icarus. The TI really isn't very good. I feel like one of the other two options would be better. Not sure if you need a 4th Lib. You might want to drop one for another dunecrawler and maybe drop the leftover into the knight or maybe instead try and find some way to work in some transports. Again, I don't have a lot of experience with the ad mech yet. I have played some games with them but not enough to be an expert.

**Buzz1991**

Yeah I'm really trying to take as much advantage of biked lib's as I can so I can be more flexible with my canticle usage.
Also just to straight deter 1-2 powers, namely fortune and or invisibility.
It just seems like having another crawler is kinda overkill. I think of it as 1.5 anti air units, and from playin nids I'm a sucker for anything TL.
As for the transports, I am hoping to achieve a more trapdoor spider type list opposed to an aggressive army.
But I haven't played anything with them yet, I'm working toward a list in an escalation league.

**NorseSig**

Buzz1991 wrote:
Yeah I'm really trying to take as much advantage of biked lib's as I can so I can be more flexible with my canticle usage.
Also just to straight deter 1-2 powers, namely fortune and or invisibility.
It just seems like having another crawler is kinda overkill. I think of it as 1.5 anti air units, and from playin nids I'm a sucker for anything TL.
As for the transports, I am hoping to achieve a more trapdoor spider type list opposed to an aggressive army.
But I haven't played anything with them yet, I'm working toward a list in an escalation league.

okay i get you. I am curious. Don't have my rules sheet handy for the war convocation. Does the fortification get it's upgrades free as well? If it does might be worth freeing some points for something with a little bit better defense and firepower. Though I guess what you have may be fine. I just don't know what your local meta is.

**axisofentropy**

I'm building the Cohort Cybernetica formation because giant killer robots. Also they're Toughness 7 ???

So what's the best Imperial ally to compliment these killer robots? Am I looking for Objective Secured? High Mobility? Counter-assault?

I think an Imperial Knight and/or a Culexus might be a good start; that leaves about 500 points.

My best painted stuff is Ravenwing, but that's very hard to fit within 500 points; the model count would be stay very low.

An Imperial Guard blob with Priests could control the board and objectives.

Footslogging Skitarii would be fun and I'm painting them too, but they're not Objective Secured.

Space Marine Scouts like 10th Company Formation? This may be the best choice overall.

Tactical Marines in a CAD? Haha just kidding but maybe?

I might play this in local tournaments but I don't expect these killer robots to be "top tier".

Is it wise to keep one robot with power fists to threaten things like Wraithknights?

full army list thread over here with more specifics http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/676372.page

**Buzz1991**

NorseSig wrote:
Buzz1991 wrote:
Yeah I'm really trying to take as much advantage of biked lib's as I can so I can be more flexible with my canticle usage.
Also just to straight deter 1-2 powers, namely fortune and or invisibility.
It just seems like having another crawler is kinda overkill. I think of it as 1.5 anti air units, and from playin nids I'm a sucker for anything TL.
As for the transports, I am hoping to achieve a more trapdoor spider type list opposed to an aggressive army.
But I haven't played anything with them yet, I'm working toward a list in an escalation league.

okay i get you. I am curious. Don't have my rules sheet handy for the war convocation. Does the fortification get it's upgrades free as well? If it does might be worth freeing some points for something with a little bit better defense and firepower. Though I guess what you have may be fine. I just don't know what your local meta is.

I don't believe the fortifications get upgraded. And the aegis cannot be destroyed because its technically terrain.
Locally its mostly:
-DE venom spam
-Eldar with alot of bikes and skimmers
-Blood Angels, 3 stormravens with Dante and assault jump infantry
-Necrons the usual way/ transports and wraiths
- And Tau with hella markerlights (god I hate those, I play FMC Nid's)

**Klowny**

Hey guys,

So I just have learnt that my buddy who is also starting has settled on AdMech (Cult Mechanus mainly, as a war convocation?) with an allied unit of DKoK. I play necron's and have a large army with most models at my disposal. I was hoping for a quick summary of what to look out for and strengths and weaknesses that I can play around ect. This has all probably been stated already many times but I am sure you guys can understand me not wanting to scour 58 pages of tactics.

Thanks in advance.

**axisofentropy**

Klowny wrote:
Hey guys,

So I just have learnt that my buddy who is also starting has settled on AdMech (Cult Mechanus mainly, as a war convocation?) with an allied unit of DKoK.

If not War Convocation, then I think Cohort Cybernetica formation would do well with DKoK. Although don't DKoK do best on their own?

**Klowny**

I think its only a small allied unit of DKoK, just for the aesthetics. Mainly worried about the War Convocation and IK's. Is mass gauss the way to go? or spam Heavy Destroyers? or ignore the knight and focus the rest of his army and try to capture objectives?

**Slayer-Fan123**

Klowny wrote:
I think its only a small allied unit of DKoK, just for the aesthetics. Mainly worried about the War Convocation and IK's. Is mass gauss the way to go? or spam Heavy Destroyers? or ignore the knight and focus the rest of his army and try to capture objectives?

As a Necron player I'm going to tell immediately that spamming Gauss will NOT kill vehicles. The less and bigger vehicles the opponent brings, it's okay. However, Necrons are the ONE army you can just bring lots of Rhinos and Razorbacks and do well against, because there's no dedicated AT on the troops.

With the more...artillery setup, Necrons can be brutal against anything. Doomsday Arks aren't just junk now, and Heavy Destroyers synergize extremely well with Stalkers, which help the Arks too. Just add Doom Scythes and you're golden. That's a different conversation though and not really something for this thread.

**Klowny**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Klowny wrote:
I think its only a small allied unit of DKoK, just for the aesthetics. Mainly worried about the War Convocation and IK's. Is mass gauss the way to go? or spam Heavy Destroyers? or ignore the knight and focus the rest of his army and try to capture objectives?

As a Necron player I'm going to tell immediately that spamming Gauss will NOT kill vehicles. The less and bigger vehicles the opponent brings, it's okay. However, Necrons are the ONE army you can just bring lots of Rhinos and Razorbacks and do well against, because there's no dedicated AT on the troops.

With the more...artillery setup, Necrons can be brutal against anything. Doomsday Arks aren't just junk now, and Heavy Destroyers synergize extremely well with Stalkers, which help the Arks too. Just add Doom Scythes and you're golden. That's a different conversation though and not really something for this thread.

Sorry, I mainly was coming here to get a rough rundown on the war convo itself and how it plays out. I know it gets free upgrades but I was more hoping to get some insights as to what it does well and what it is weak against? Is it slow (can I outmanouver it and play to objectives) only powerfull when techpriest is alive (assassinate), good/weak against vehicles/flyers etc.

Or is it more subject to the actual units it takes?

**Orock**

From experience war convocation is weak against msu. I have yet to beat gladius marines in a game with them.

**Unit1126PLL**

Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

**Dramagod2**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

I love this suggestion, lol. ike an Ordinatus is something you can just throw into a list. lol

**Unit1126PLL**

Dramagod2 wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

I love this suggestion, lol. ike an Ordinatus is something you can just throw into a list. lol

Isn't it? I think the minimum points to field one is below 1500, since all you need is a Magos Dominus and 2 Kataphrons. So like, 1290 points, IIRC, for the whole detachment.

EDIT: Er, hm. I forgot the price on Kataphrons.

**Dramagod2**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Dramagod2 wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

I love this suggestion, lol. ike an Ordinatus is something you can just throw into a list. lol

Isn't it? I think the minimum points to field one is below 1500, since all you need is a Magos Dominus and 2 Kataphrons. So like, 1290 points, IIRC, for the whole detachment.

EDIT: Er, hm. I forgot the price on Kataphrons.

I meant more in terms of the fact that its a huge friggin expensive FW model. While, yes, it can be fielded at that level, I just found it funny to throw it out there as the strategy to beat gladius. As if it's just a tool in the mechanicus tool box. While it would definitely get the job done, it just seems unrealistic as the strategy to help him beat gladius. That's like saying to bring a reaver or warhound titan. Sure it'll work, but is it really a realistic way to plan your games? My feeling is that if mechanicus needs an ordinatus to beat something like gladius strike force, then that speaks to the serious lackings in the mechanicus unit choices.

**Unit1126PLL**

Dramagod2 wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Dramagod2 wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

I love this suggestion, lol. ike an Ordinatus is something you can just throw into a list. lol

Isn't it? I think the minimum points to field one is below 1500, since all you need is a Magos Dominus and 2 Kataphrons. So like, 1290 points, IIRC, for the whole detachment.

EDIT: Er, hm. I forgot the price on Kataphrons.

I meant more in terms of the fact that its a huge friggin expensive FW model. While, yes, it can be fielded at that level, I just found it funny to throw it out there as the strategy to beat gladius. As if it's just a tool in the mechanicus tool box. While it would definitely get the job done, it just seems unrealistic as the strategy to help him beat gladius. That's like saying to bring a reaver or warhound titan. Sure it'll work, but is it really a realistic way to plan your games? My feeling is that if mechanicus needs an ordinatus to beat something like gladius strike force, then that speaks to the serious lackings in the mechanicus unit choices.

Well they don't need it, but it makes it easy.

And I have one, so it can't be that rare - I'm a college student who is neither especially rich nor especially ... special.

**Dramagod2**

If you own a $400 model that came out that recently and you are a college student, you are definitely that special. Most college students don't have that kind of dough to spend on resin toys.

**WrentheFaceless**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

You've recommended this in almost every thread related to ad mech

Which is a horrible suggestion, its an expensive FW model which will most liklely be banned in most major tournament settings, which may not even be 40K legal.

Hell might as well just start suggesting Titans at that point, which are equally absurd.

**the_Armyman**

Dramagod2 wrote:
If you own a $400 model that came out that recently and you are a college student, you are definitely that special. Most college students don't have that kind of dough to spend on resin toys.

Unless you just got your student loan refund check and are using it to buy stuff you shouldn't

I remember my sophomore year in the dorms, the guy across the hall from me bought a stereo and GIGANTIC speakers for like $1000 from his refund. Luckily our tastes in music were similar!

**Unit1126PLL**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

You've recommended this in almost every thread related to ad mech

Which is a horrible suggestion, its an expensive FW model which will most liklely be banned in most major tournament settings, which may not even be 40K legal.

Hell might as well just start suggesting Titans at that point, which are equally absurd.

It is already 40k legal as a Lord of War from Cult Mechanicus per the model's description on the Forge World website. As for banned in tournament settings, I pity the fool who still thinks 40k is a tournament capable game.

**WrentheFaceless**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

You've recommended this in almost every thread related to ad mech

Which is a horrible suggestion, its an expensive FW model which will most liklely be banned in most major tournament settings, which may not even be 40K legal.

Hell might as well just start suggesting Titans at that point, which are equally absurd.

It is already 40k legal as a Lord of War from Cult Mechanicus per the model's description on the Forge World website. As for banned in tournament settings, I pity the fool who still thinks 40k is a tournament capable game.

Unless you take a CAD, Cult mechanicus has no LOW slot

Funny they mention skitarii as they have no LOW slot either and its impossible for them to make a CAD as they have no HQ.

Still its a terrible suggestion to the question's people are answering, people are actually looking for realistic advice

**Unit1126PLL**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

You've recommended this in almost every thread related to ad mech

Which is a horrible suggestion, its an expensive FW model which will most liklely be banned in most major tournament settings, which may not even be 40K legal.

Hell might as well just start suggesting Titans at that point, which are equally absurd.

It is already 40k legal as a Lord of War from Cult Mechanicus per the model's description on the Forge World website. As for banned in tournament settings, I pity the fool who still thinks 40k is a tournament capable game.

Unless you take a CAD, Cult mechanicus has no LOW slot

Funny they mention skitarii as they have no LOW slot either and its impossible for them to make a CAD as they have no HQ.

Still its a terrible suggestion to the question's people are answering, people are actually looking for realistic advice

So take a token CAD, this gun is worth it.

I still don't see why it is unrealistic. Shouldn't a tactics discussion include every unit available?

**Dramagod2**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Bring an Ordinatus Minoris Ullator against gladius marines. The deathray cannon makes them spread out in their deployment or they melt, which allows you to focus on the MSU piecemeal.

You've recommended this in almost every thread related to ad mech

Which is a horrible suggestion, its an expensive FW model which will most liklely be banned in most major tournament settings, which may not even be 40K legal.

Hell might as well just start suggesting Titans at that point, which are equally absurd.

It is already 40k legal as a Lord of War from Cult Mechanicus per the model's description on the Forge World website. As for banned in tournament settings, I pity the fool who still thinks 40k is a tournament capable game.

Unless you take a CAD, Cult mechanicus has no LOW slot

Funny they mention skitarii as they have no LOW slot either and its impossible for them to make a CAD as they have no HQ.

Still its a terrible suggestion to the question's people are answering, people are actually looking for realistic advice

So take a token CAD, this gun is worth it.

I still don't see why it is unrealistic. Shouldn't a tactics discussion include every unit available?

I just don't think at this point that it can be considered a normal playable unit for terms of tactics discussion. I can understand how if you have one you want to field it. I'm sure I would be the same. But to most people, its just not a realistic suggestion because they can not feasibly purchase/field the model. It's akin to suggesting the use of a titan.

**WrentheFaceless**

Any unit that has a realistic chance of being obtainable and used.

A 400 dollar forgeworld model isnt really a realistic, valid suggestion to most people

**Unit1126PLL**

That surprises me, because $400 is less than the cost of 1,075 points in many armies these days, which is what the Ordinatus costs.

I guess people could play games with smaller armies than I am used to.

**Dramagod2**

lol, I just don't think you're seeing this from our perspective. If you spend 400 over time on an army thats understandable and a lot different than spending 400 in one shot on one giant model that's a SHV LOW. It doesn't have to do with game size. It's about the size of a single purchase. I know I spend a lot on my hobby, but Im very limited a to how much I can spend at a time. 400 in one shot is not realistic for most people unless theyve saved up for a while.

ON another note, since it seems you've had experience fielding one, I'm curious to hear about how they do on the table. I know there is a lot of potential damage output but how much damage do you actually see it do on average? Also, how survivable is it? I'd imagine it draws a lot of fire.

**Unit1126PLL**

So you're saying you can't start savng that trickle of 40k money for the next few months? That is what I did starting as soon as I saw the pictures of it last March or whenever it was.

Using it has been strange. I have been using it with the 30k list mind, but people have been afraid to shoot at it because of the Dispersion Shield, instead focusing on the lesser superheavies and support units.

**AstraVlad**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
Using it has been strange.

This is the point. It will always be "a strange thing to use". It just does not fit in regular games (below 3000 points as I can see) and if you do not regularly play Apoc (wich for the most part we don't) your Ordinatus will mostly sit at the shelf. And you risk to be regarded as a WAAC player by your friends if you will bring it to smaller games as well. So, I agree that it is the same thing as Titans are: they are cool, they are fun to have but they are mostly useless for a regular gamer.

**Unit1126PLL**

AstraVlad wrote:
Unit1126PLL wrote:
Using it has been strange.

This is the point. It will always be "a strange thing to use". It just does not fit in regular games (below 3000 points as I can see) and if you do not regularly play Apoc (wich for the most part we don't) your Ordinatus will mostly sit at the shelf. And you risk to be regarded as a WAAC player by your friends if you will bring it to smaller games as well. So, I agree that it is the same thing as Titans are: they are cool, they are fun to have but they are mostly useless for a regular gamer.

So far people around here have told me it was fine and the last game was 2k. I am building a Centurio Ordinatus army around it so I doubt it will sit on the shelf, unless I start not playing at all but in my circle of friends that is extremely unlikely. I have another game with it in a bit, so we will see!

**Dramagod2**

Unit1126PLL wrote:
So you're saying you can't start savng that trickle of 40k money for the next few months? That is what I did starting as soon as I saw the pictures of it last March or whenever it was.

I could save for it but I know I wouldn't get to use it much so to me its not really worth the investment. Plus, I don't play 30k so until AdMech for 40k are fleshed out a little better, I wouldn't feel good about sinking that kind of money into a model like that.

people have been afraid to shoot at it because of the Dispersion Shield, instead focusing on the lesser superheavies and support units.

So you are fielding the ordinatus along with other SHVs in 1000-2000 pt games? I'd be curious to see your lists. Seems like overkill.