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It'll be interesting to see where they take WHFB post end times for sure

I also posted the previous rumors o gave you in the thread a few pages back. Feel free to track them too.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I also posted the previous rumors o gave you in the thread a few pages back. Feel free to track them too.

Ill take a look tomorrow.

 pretre wrote:
The text is blank or faded in those.

Fixed it http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/810/643158.page#7876492


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 cygnnus wrote:

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Warhams-77 wrote:
The planes/realities/dimensions fluff was there right from the beginning when they invented the Warhammer World actually. It was just Planet Earth but in a different dimension (with all the similiarities like Tilea/Italy, Estalia/Espania, The Empire/The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation etc but under influence of the Old Ones, Chaos etc.). It was like that of course to sell models from their then current miniature ranges which included medieval knights amongst ninjas and orcs.

From the 2nd Edition Battle Bestiary book - which introduced the WFB fluff in 1984

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I don't think that's quite correct... IIRC (and I'll admit it's been a while since I dug through the fluff), the Warhammer world wasn't in a different dimension, it explcitly *was* in the same dimention/universe as our own Earth. The justification of why the Warhammer World looked "like" Earth was that the Slann modified planets to suit their needs and the Slann modified-worlds looked similar to each other as that was supposed to be how they stabilized the weather and temperatures through geoengineering. The expectation was that there were many worlds that would look generally the same because of the Slann's efforts.

Valete,

JohnS

Nope The WFB world was in a different reality at day one of the fluff

HobbyBox wrote:
Here are the images pulled from Twitter in English

Are we considering this as proof that Age of Sigmar = 9th edition or do we think it's still possible that it's a stand alone box game?

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

I was referring to the perfect records bit, probably should've edited for clarity.

For some reason, I thought you were responding to me. My inherent egotism is leaking out again. My bad.

Yeah, he was talking about me.

Sad Panda is probably 100% correct and I'm completely wrong... My mistake was believing that GW may have learned something by now... If it is true, I do feel a bit bad for the GW store managers as their sales will get cannibalized by the pre-order being up on a holiday. The small percentage of people that still went into the store to pre-order directly from them will get whittled away more and more now...


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Prestor Jon wrote:

HobbyBox wrote:
Here are the images pulled from Twitter in English

Are we considering this as proof that Age of Sigmar = 9th edition or do we think it's still possible that it's a stand alone box game?

The only real proof is that is in WD this weekend.

The thought is it is 9th Ed or something related at least. As someone on Twitter said, they wouldn't advertise a board game a month out, so it has to be something bigger than that. Whether it is the true successor to 8th Edition or something completely new (or both), we will have to rely on folks to leak for us (as we know GW won't tell us a fething thing).

So tomorrow I get to beat up my GW rep about AoS, and he'll deny it totally because of stupid rules. Then Monday hopefully they will have something to say about it. Unless GW is ungodly stupid and wants us to ignore AoS until the week before, like they have us do now with everything else. In which case I'll spend another month selling DnD, flames of war, warmahordes, magic, and 100 other games that people are excited about. Then in the last 7 days try to get customers to thing about AoS , which i will have maybe a paragraph of into on.

HobbyBox wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

I was referring to the perfect records bit, probably should've edited for clarity.

For some reason, I thought you were responding to me. My inherent egotism is leaking out again. My bad.

Yeah, he was talking about me.

Sad Panda is probably 100% correct and I'm completely wrong... My mistake was believing that GW may have learned something by now... If it is true, I do feel a bit bad for the GW store managers as their sales will get cannibalized by the pre-order being up on a holiday. The small percentage of people that still went into the store to pre-order directly from them will get whittled away more and more now...

Thought GW learned from their mistakes?

PhantomViper wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:


Now the problem with your idea of skirmishers and screening units are that A) not all armies have enough cheap units like that to place on the table and B) the remnants of those units then fled straight through the big unit and usually panicked it.

All armies had at least one of the options that I proposed and you are making it seem like there were multiple large units of heavy cavalry, when in reality, barring armies like Bretonnia, people at most used one or two 6 man units (and a single unit of heavy cavalry was much more common).

I might be wrong about this since its been a while, but units under unit strength 5 didn't cause panic checks when they broke and also you could angle your non-skirmish sacrificial unit in such a way that the overrun / pursuit move caused the cavalry to expose its flank to your infantry (or to your cannons, bolt throwers and other armour ignoring war machines).

Hey, look at that, more tactics that didn't involve just pushing huge blocks of infantry forward and rolling the correct dice on the correct spell!

You know, that still works in 8th, you just use it on the big blocks of infantry and hit them in the flank(s) and rear so they can't reform. It may take a while to grind them down, but when they get very few attacks back it's a very sure method.

Magic... yeah, magic can be pants in 8th. It can be fixed, though.


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Chopxsticks wrote:
IM DIEING HERE!!! I just painted up a Thanqual and Boneripper, looken mighty ratty I may add. BUT WHAT BASE.... Im not even sure what size round I need to buy off ebay.

Also before anyone says I can use both, there is sadly no way my OCD is going to allow a mix of round and square.

The base it came with. That's the standard WFB rule.

Welp, it's looking more and more like we're in a "so long and thanks for all the Fishmen" scenario from my perspective.

When I mentioned cyclical I meant in terms of the background we already have, ie the existing Warhammer World trapped in a closed time-loop where everything ends and goes right back to the beginning. Exploring the background I already enjoyed in greater detail from a "historical" perspective would have been something I was enthused by, Bubblehammer less-so. Indeed if there's one of those funny German compound words that describes not just the opposite of enthusiasm but a deep sense of existential sadness brought on by a person failing to be enthused by something they once cared for deeply, that would be useful right now.

Ach well, the anger has mostly faded to an Iron Warriors-ish spiteful annoyance at this point, and you never know maybe some of the newer models for Age of Kirby will fit aesthetically with real Warhammer and so be useful for Mordheim.

HobbyBox wrote:

Granted, I may be trying to give GW too much credit, but I just wouldn't see them doing that to their stores, as it will impact their employees from being able to capitalize on sales. If they have pre-orders go up online on a holiday and the stores aren't open, all of the "eager hobbyists" that GW prides themselves on building a relationship with will pre-order their stuff on the webstore and not pre-ordering in store. Which then means the GW store managers don't get credit for the sale.

It just leads me to think this is as one of the rumors said and some sort of board game that helps to bridge the gap somehow into 9th Ed.

If you lean towards incompetence; I wouldn't be surprised if the people at GW Nottingham realised July 4th was a major US holiday. We work for a US company and forget about it every year until our US colleagues go away for the weekend.

If you towards malice; If most of the FLGS's are closed on the 4th, the fans will have to pre-order from the website to get delivered or picked up from a store. So it's a brilliant way of shafting the independents again.

I'm lost. What's so special about July 4 (Independence Day)? The release is July 11, isn't it?

Is the idea that people will rush out on July 4 to their FLGS to preorder something? O.o Because that makes so little sense -- I email my preorders to my store as soon as I know about them from leaked white dwarf New Items pages -- so Tuesday/Wednesday, of the week before, really. And at least in this area, GW allows stores to officially release product on Friday at 4pm or so (maybe to synchronize with GMT? I dunno). But anyhow, most stores aren't very good with the embargoes

 Talys wrote:
I'm lost. What's so special about July 4 (Independence Day)? The release is July 11, isn't it?

Is the idea that people will rush out on July 4 to their FLGS to preorder something? O.o Because that makes so little sense -- I email my preorders to my store as soon as I know about them from leaked white dwarf New Items pages -- so Tuesday/Wednesday, of the week before, really. And at least in this area, GW allows stores to officially release product on Friday at 4pm or so (maybe to synchronize with GMT? I dunno). But anyhow, most stores aren't very good with the embargoes

Because it'll no doubt come with dozens of stock limited products that they will assume will sell out on pre-order day.

If the FLGS's are closed, lots of people who don't keep as up to date on rumours won't get a chance to pre order. Unless they use the GW site direct.

I think it's more likely they just don't realise that the colonies have different national holidays.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed if there's one of those funny German compound words that describes not just the opposite of enthusiasm but a deep sense of existential sadness brought on by a person failing to be enthused by something they once cared for deeply, that would be useful right now.

Angst? Ennui? Weltschmerz? Moping?

I know the feeling.

Herzlos wrote:

 Talys wrote:
I'm lost. What's so special about July 4 (Independence Day)? The release is July 11, isn't it?

Is the idea that people will rush out on July 4 to their FLGS to preorder something? O.o Because that makes so little sense -- I email my preorders to my store as soon as I know about them from leaked white dwarf New Items pages -- so Tuesday/Wednesday, of the week before, really. And at least in this area, GW allows stores to officially release product on Friday at 4pm or so (maybe to synchronize with GMT? I dunno). But anyhow, most stores aren't very good with the embargoes

Because it'll no doubt come with dozens of stock limited products that they will assume will sell out on pre-order day.

If the FLGS's are closed, lots of people who don't keep as up to date on rumours won't get a chance to pre order. Unless they use the GW site direct.

I think it's more likely they just don't realise that the colonies have different national holidays.

I guess I understand why someone might fear this, but it isn't founded.

First, FLGS all get allocations of constrained items (I assume based on their sales volume, but I don't know this for a fact). They don't place their orders until the week of release (ie Monday or later), so internally, their own reservation list just happens in whatever way they choose -- probably first come first serve reservations. So, let's say White Dwarf comes out Wednesday or Thursday. Friday they get 3 preorders, Saturday they are closed, Sunday they get 5 more preorders.

Monday rolls around, they place an order for 12, and everybody's happy. Or the rep says, I can only give you 7, and then the last person is bumped, and none for the shelf. Normally, the week before, the store can call their GW rep and get an idea of how many they can get, if it's a high demand, constrained item. That way they don't take 20 reservations for Shield of Baal, and get 1 copy, or something stupid like that.

 Vermis wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Indeed if there's one of those funny German compound words that describes not just the opposite of enthusiasm but a deep sense of existential sadness brought on by a person failing to be enthused by something they once cared for deeply, that would be useful right now.

Angst? Ennui? Weltschmerz? Moping?

I know the feeling.

I know it too, by osmosis, even though I don't agree... Hard to avoid if you frequent GW threads

4th seems an eminently sensible preorder date for a company that wants to direct as much of its sales through its own sales channels as possible.

Now, it may not be a great idea for many people personally, or indeed the many FLGS that have supported the game for years and I agree with those that think it sucks for US players, but from a profitability viewpoint, ensuring that the very best way, and perhaps the only way, of securing a preorder for in demand and possibly limited product is via your own webstore seems logical.

Besides, in the rest of the world it isnt a holiday at all.

 Talys wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Talys wrote:
I'm lost. What's so special about July 4 (Independence Day)? The release is July 11, isn't it?

Is the idea that people will rush out on July 4 to their FLGS to preorder something? O.o Because that makes so little sense -- I email my preorders to my store as soon as I know about them from leaked white dwarf New Items pages -- so Tuesday/Wednesday, of the week before, really. And at least in this area, GW allows stores to officially release product on Friday at 4pm or so (maybe to synchronize with GMT? I dunno). But anyhow, most stores aren't very good with the embargoes

Because it'll no doubt come with dozens of stock limited products that they will assume will sell out on pre-order day.

If the FLGS's are closed, lots of people who don't keep as up to date on rumours won't get a chance to pre order. Unless they use the GW site direct.

I think it's more likely they just don't realise that the colonies have different national holidays.

I guess I understand why someone might fear this, but it isn't founded.

First, FLGS all get allocations of constrained items (I assume based on their sales volume, but I don't know this for a fact). They don't place their orders until the week of release (ie Monday or later), so internally, their own reservation list just happens in whatever way they choose -- probably first come first serve reservations. So, let's say White Dwarf comes out Wednesday or Thursday. Friday they get 3 preorders, Saturday they are closed, Sunday they get 5 more preorders.

Monday rolls around, they place an order for 12, and everybody's happy. Or the rep says, I can only give you 7, and then the last person is bumped, and none for the shelf. Normally, the week before, the store can call their GW rep and get an idea of how many they can get, if it's a high demand, constrained item. That way they don't take 20 reservations for Shield of Baal, and get 1 copy, or something stupid like that.

Assuming of course, that if the FLGS is closed on the Saturday (or even the whole weekend) the customer will be able to visit on the Monday/Tuesday to order, and that there will be any left.

I think there is some pre-allocation given to stores based on sales, which should be done before the pre-orders on the website, so it's minimal.

Kirby seems to have the same level of respect for the former colonies as the Queen watching the Olympics:



Fourth of July? They should be celebrating our new game! Why aren't they sitting, waiting at their computers for our fantastic miniature of jewel-like wonder?! They should know things can appear at any time, and an idle wallet is a dangerous one!

Herzlos wrote:


Assuming of course, that if the FLGS is closed on the Saturday (or even the whole weekend) the customer will be able to visit on the Monday/Tuesday to order, and that there will be any left.

I think there is some pre-allocation given to stores based on sales, which should be done before the pre-orders on the website, so it's minimal.

Most GW stores that are 1 man are closed on monday/tuesday...

 Grimtuff wrote:

Herzlos wrote:


Assuming of course, that if the FLGS is closed on the Saturday (or even the whole weekend) the customer will be able to visit on the Monday/Tuesday to order, and that there will be any left.

I think there is some pre-allocation given to stores based on sales, which should be done before the pre-orders on the website, so it's minimal.

Most GW stores that are 1 man are closed on monday/tuesday...

Good point. Some customers might not be able to pre-order anything until Wednesday (they might not be old enough for a credit card to use online, for instance).

I'm chalking this one firmly up to incompetence, as it'll hurt GW stores more than independents.

Herzlos wrote:
Good point. Some customers might not be able to pre-order anything until Wednesday (they might not be old enough for a credit card to use online, for instance).

Exceedingly unlikely - the biggest buyers I've seen are single guys in their 20s.

This wouldn't be the 1st time GW stores had something going on on a US driven holiday. I have no issues with that, the only thing they are doing is not gearing it to broader audiences. I mean ... why 4th of July ?! out of all the days in the summer ...

I think this past December they had something on the 24th too.. like I was going to crawl out of my house middle of winter holiday to pre-order something ... ha!

it's all super weird on their behalf

HobbyBox wrote:Here are the images pulled from Twitter in English

Can't help but think of the Iron Born when I read the second picture. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger!

Grr derping didnt read stuff properly ignore this

I'm kinda excited. We'll see how this goes.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

HobbyBox wrote:Here are the images pulled from Twitter in English

Can't help but think of the Iron Born when I read the second picture. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger!

Exactly what I was thinking! "Hmm, did George RR Martin take over writing fluff for WHFB?"

 Accolade wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

HobbyBox wrote:Here are the images pulled from Twitter in English

Can't help but think of the Iron Born when I read the second picture. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger!

Exactly what I was thinking! "Hmm, did George RR Martin take over writing fluff for WHFB?"

While the GW-writers probably got it from ASoIaF, it is a direct Lovecraft/Cthulhu-reference in Martin's work. (cue Kraken-symbol for House Greyjoy and lots of Cthulhu-names like Dagon Greyjoy).

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

HobbyBox wrote:Here are the images pulled from Twitter in English

Can't help but think of the Iron Born when I read the second picture. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger!

Exactly what I was thinking! "Hmm, did George RR Martin take over writing fluff for WHFB?"

While the GW-writers probably got it from ASoIaF, it is a direct Lovecraft/Cthulhu-reference in Martin's work. (cue Kraken-symbol for House Greyjoy and lots of Cthulhu-names like Dagon Greyjoy).

Cant believe I didnt pick that up earlier.

GW doesn't care about the 4th, they've done it before.

And it doesn't really matter to most stores. We won't be ordering product until that Monday. Mail order selling out doesn't affect us. If they announce special product, let your FLGS know asap so they know how to order and who is interested.

If it's a "must have", then order it from GW. But I'd check with your FLGS first, they might be have info knowing how many of a limited product they have coming already in a case like this. Hopefully we get a bit of info in the coming month. I also have hope the emperor will start taking tap dancing lessons.