Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**reds8n**

Yes it could.

So please dial it down a notch.

**NunoTaborda**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Was browsing the throne of skulls guide and noticed 5 "factions" they have listed.

And then the 6th being the Sigmarines?

What do you think?

I think that 5 forces are enough, and that Sigmar does just fine with Men:

- The Dark Gods = Daemons / Beasts / Warriors of Chaos + Skaven (+ Chaos Dorfs)
- Defenders of the Old World = Empire + Brets + Dorfs (+ DoW)
- The Ravening Hordes = Orks & Goblins + Ogres (+ Fimir)
- The Undead Legions = Tomb Kings + Vampire Counts
- The Last of the Ancients = High / Dark / Wood Elves + Lizardmen

Skaven and Ogres are both a little tricky. Skaven could be folded with Orks, and Ogres could be folded with Men. I like the notion of Skaven being with Evil Chaos, and Ogres being with the goofy Orks.

To me, this is the way for all armies to be assembled in these new factions.

I can see Skaven going to the Ravening Hordes also... But the Elves seem more apropriate to go to The Last of the Ancients instead of Defenders of the Old World.

Maybe the 6th faction can take more "old armies" then just the new race...

**Seriqolm**

**RoninXiC**

Yeahh.. The End of warhammer as we know it

**Boss Salvage**

I've passed on several GW hardbacks due to $$$ ... but I'd totally fire sale some stuff if offered

But not that last lonely copy of the Beast book. Because I already have it

- Salvage

**Herzlos**

Boss Salvage wrote:
I've passed on several GW hardbacks due to $$$ ... but I'd totally fire sale some stuff if offered

This is Games Workshop. Whilst it's a fire sale, it's still a fire sale at full RRP.

**Boss Salvage**

Herzlos wrote:
Boss Salvage wrote:
I've passed on several GW hardbacks due to $$$ ... but I'd totally fire sale some stuff if offered

This is Games Workshop. Whilst it's a fire sale, it's still a fire sale at full RRP.

Point taken - perhaps $$ instead of $$$? Madness

- Salvage

**Accolade**

Herzlos wrote:
Boss Salvage wrote:
I've passed on several GW hardbacks due to $$$ ... but I'd totally fire sale some stuff if offered

This is Games Workshop. Whilst it's a fire sale, it's still a fire sale at full RRP.

Come one, come all! We're selling off our remaining warhammer rule books before the big change! What's thay? Oh, they're still full price! Why? Well because they've become pieces of historical significance now, boy! Ready to be encased in a library, remembered as a great piece of Warhammer history. What do you mean valueless, son! If you can't afford to buy these and the new books, well then you just might now be GW material, lad, best you think about that before you go tossing bricks at Finecast houses! Now, what book would you like to bu-I mean, collect?

Come to think of it, GW really should sell its old books as historical collectors items. They'd be able to profit off the remaining stocks, and just label that stuff as historical and people are bound to buy it up.

**Hulksmash**

I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.

**Herzlos**

Hulksmash wrote:
I might check in at my local store to see what they are offering for the books. If he's willing to drop to cost to get rid of them I'll pick some up because I like them and they are pretty.

He certainly won't be able to do anything officially, but there's no harm in asking. They are just going to get pulped anyway.

**BorderCountess**

The removal of all the army books leads me to think there's going to be more changes to list construction than simply adding Unbound. The last time GW invalidated a whole line of books was the release of WHFB 6, when they introduced Core/Special/Rare.

This is by far the biggest indicator of Big Changes coming.

**agnosto**

The sad/silly thing is that they're invalidating books that they just released as well (End Times). Sure, people can still play them using 8th edition rules but I don't think that I've heard of a company invalidating a product scant months after release; even Apple and Microsoft wait a year.

**Hulksmash**

I will say that I personally wasn't buying the endtime books for rules as I pretty much viewed them as campaign books. They had some and they were cool but for me it was completely a story/fluff purchase. I do feel for people who bought them for rules though.

**Howard A Treesong**

So they're just 'for sale' rather than 'on sale' at a discount? Not like when they abandoned 5th ed and books were 3 for £10

**pinkmarine**

As someone who played fantasy 20+ years ago and only recently returned to the hobby (now 40k), I must admit that a reboot of Fantasy would be nice. I've never really liked the moving around trays thing.

So what if they're saying: We will no longer release new WHFB stuff but we will continue to produce fantasy models. Mount them on square trays and continue playing old school Fantasy, we'll provide compatible data for them.

To me, three things would possibly get me back into fantasy:

1: No trays!

2: No codexes – provide datacards to units when you buy them, as in WMH, including special rules and stats for all weapon choices. (And why not sell "booster packs" with weapons or whatever separately?)

3: Instead of codexes, provide fluff through campaign modules.

But that's just me ...

**Kanluwen**

Seriqolm wrote:

Interesting that I can't find that photo on Games Workshop: Liverpool--NSW's page.

It could be hidden or have been posted somewhere else, but if that were the case then it shouldn't be showcasing their Facebook page as having originated the photo.

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Howard A Treesong wrote:
So they're just 'for sale' rather than 'on sale' at a discount? Not like when they abandoned 5th ed and books were 3 for £10

When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?

Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?

**redcell**

Quick question? Are we able to use our old units?

**Slinky**

Kanluwen wrote:
Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?

To make some money as opposed to no money from products they are about to remove from sale?

**agnosto**

Kanluwen wrote:

Interesting that I can't find that photo on Games Workshop: Liverpool--NSW's page.

It could be hidden or have been posted somewhere else, but if that were the case then it shouldn't be showcasing their Facebook page as having originated the photo.

You're right. Out of curiosity, I went to both their facebook and just GamesWorkshop Liverpool's page and not a trace. This leads me to one of three conclusions; they sold out and removed the post so people wouldn't show up expecting product or it's fake or they were told by HQ to take it down.

**HobbyBox**

A couple of things on these factions from the Throne of Skulls pack. First, they are using all of the army selection rules from End Times, which is similar to Unbound.

So, the wording from the pack is as follows (and it can all be found in the event pack here: http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/events-hall/gaming-events/throne-of-skulls/)

Your Faction
When you arrive at Throne of Skulls, we will ask you to sign up to one of the factions fighting in the End Times. Any army can sign up for any of the factions; pick which one below sounds most like your army!
The Dark Gods - these warriors want nothing more than to bring ruination and Daemonic rule to the world
Defenders of the Old World - these stalwart fighters defend hearth and home using faith, courage and steel as they try to push back the nightmares from the north.
The Ravening Hordes - as brutal as they are heedless, the ravening hordes are taking full advantage of the End Times to loot, pillage and burn everything they see.
The Undead Legions - these lords of undeath wish to see the whole world become a mausoleum as still as the grave.
The Last of the Ancients - as they watch the world that they crafted burn, these warriors must strike their final blow before it's too late.

You are fighting for the glory of your faction as well as personal fortune. At the end of the event, one faction will be declared victorious and the Old World declared theirs!

It is possible this is the army structure that they are planning to use for 9th Ed, but from the look of it, it seems more like a way to add a team facet to the event. IMO I think we are reading a bit too much into this army structure. Skaven can technically fit into any of the first three factions.

It will be interesting to see if any new information about the new edition comes out from the event, such as a display of new models or a new faction a couple weeks in advance of the Age of Sigmar release.

**krazynadechukr**

Herzlos wrote:
Boss Salvage wrote:
I've passed on several GW hardbacks due to $$$ ... but I'd totally fire sale some stuff if offered

This is Games Workshop. Whilst it's a fire sale, it's still a fire sale at full RRP.

This. This right here.

**Pacific**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Rage-trashing 10k worth of WFB stuff seems a bit extreme, when you could just keep on playing some version of Oldhammer.

Or Kings of War for that matter !

**Grimtuff**

Kanluwen wrote:

When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?

Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?

During the switchover from 5th to 6th ed. WHFB 15 years ago, where exactly this happened and army books were 3 for £10 due to everything being invalidated by 6th. Various other things that were due to be replaced were super cheap, such as DoW models and the old starter boxes.

**NAVARRO**

Looks like this one is not going to be a smooth transition! I do not see how the rumour that it would be possible to play the current 8th or ET alongside the 9th making much sense now.

**ZenMasterKel**

pinkmarine wrote:

To me, three things would possibly get me back into fantasy:

1: No trays!

2: No codexes – provide datacards to units when you buy them, as in WMH, including special rules and stats for all weapon choices. (And why not sell "booster packs" with weapons or whatever separately?)

3: Instead of codexes, provide fluff through campaign modules.

But that's just me ...

I expect it to be some form of skirmish with round bases, so I doubt we'll see movement trays. However, don't expect GW to ditch army books. If anything has been shown in recent months with 40K, they are ramping up releases of codexes, so I expect the trend to continue with Fantasy. You don't need the codex unless you play that army. I also don't expect there to be cards for the units like Warmahordes.

I am optimistic about 9th Edition, since I see it as a good jumping on point for new players. It's a game and a hobby. Don't overthink it. It's not going to be an ultra competitive game, and do we really need an ultra competitive game. Just have fun with it and hopefully the rules and releases will improve this hobby.

**Formosa**

Gw are dumping the army books for the time being, all of them being taken off the shelf next week according to the staff and my lgs has been told not to order anything more from next week onwards too.

**Etna's Vassal**

I just grabbed some movement trays on my lunch break from GW. When I said I was picking them up before they disappeared the guy got visibly angry and snapped "They're not going away!".

So, take that for what it's worth, pretty much nothing- I know...

**Desubot**

Etna's Vassal wrote:
I just grabbed some movement trays on my lunch break from GW. When I said I was picking them up before they disappeared the guy got visibly angry and snapped "They're not going away!".

So, take that for what it's worth, pretty much nothing- I know...

Its worth a River in Egypt.

**privateer4hire**

Kanluwen wrote:
...
When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?

Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?

Around 2002 was the last GW discounting. They had dent/ding auctions.
My favorite thing was watching someone bid up a busted box of goblins over MSRP while several pristine boxes sat on shelf a few feet away.

**Grimtuff**

privateer4hire wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
...
When was the last time GW ever discounted anything?

Why would you EVER expect them to discount something?

Around 2002 was the last GW discounting. They had dent/ding auctions.
My favorite thing was watching someone bid up a busted box of goblins over MSRP while several pristine boxes sat on shelf a few feet away.

Around the same time GW also did a price decrease on the CSM box due to a bit of public outcry on the fact it was the same price as the Tactical SM and only had 8 guys in it. They even had a program to reimburse the difference to anyone who had bought them at their previous price of £12 IIRC.