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 Alpharius wrote:
Er, of course it can?

Not really. Years ago, it could get worse: because we had few systems to jump to. Since we're living in a miniatures revolution of games, the "worst" that can happen is other companies get your money!! Unless you're one of those weirdos who threaten to slit their wrists if Warhammer turns out badly. In which case, I promise to play bagpipes at your funeral!! (Think Ross's attempt in Friends).

Ha!

I meant it could get worse for Warhammer.

Just scroll a few posts up, I've already said what I'll be doing if Warhammer is truly dead!

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:Sounds like Ravening Hordes 2.0 with a more robust set of quickstart rules (in the form of a low-level skirmish game) in the starter set, named "Age of Sigmar."

What sounds like that? Where? When?

8th edition is getting a bit stale

Well there's a ringing endorsement for a game system and GW culture.

TheAuldGrump wrote:Though optimists digging in a pile of manure, saying 'There must be a pony in here somewhere....' does tend to make us smile too....

The Auld Grump

Brings to mind a local version of a saying over here, that'd suit all this wishlisting too. "D'ye know what 'thought' did? Stuck a feather in the dughel and thought it would grow a hen."

Well as a long time 40k player who's always wanted to do Fantasy I'm really excited by some of the rumours. Lizardmen were what originally drew me to the hobby, but no-one played fantasy at all in my area, so I played 40k instead. Fast forwards to moving to uni where there was a fantasy scene, but things had now moved forwards to the point where standard unit sizes in fantasy was 50+ models. As someone on a tight budget and that is a slow painter this killed any enthusiasm I had for starting a fantasy force as it was too expensive and would take too long to get tabletop ready. I know a lot of people who felt the same.

As it stands myself and a lot of the 40k crowd at my club are really interested in jumping into fantasy if it requires a smaller number of models than at present and the rules system is good. There are plans in the works for an escalation campaign to help us build our forces and we are already deciding on the armies we'd like.

This is all a long way round to say that if the rules are good you might actually find that this provides a boost in the number of people playing Fantasy, as it might attract in a pool of players like myself that have long been interested, but never had the funds or time to build an army.

Still, need to wait and see what the damage is with Age of Sigmar first.

I think there's plenty of people will jump into Fantasy if it comes out as it sounds - smallish skirmish game. I'll likely be one of them, with enough existing mini's to get a few factions started.

But many are apprehensive because we've seen what they've done to 40K and pretty much any release in the last decade.

I'd instantly start either Vampire Counts or Wood Elves there's going to be a skirmish version added in the game. It'd at least let me play the game instead of painting boring hordes. Wich keep me mostly away from Fantasy, apart from WoC. It at least gives me an option to play. Instead of having to paint 80+ skeletons.

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:


I'm super stoked about it...the internet forums are filled with people who grumble and complain about everything that games workshop does.
Obviously some things gw does is not so great but sometimes they do great thing (a la end times) but I'm excited and hope it will be good.

I would like more solid ideas as to what is going on but who knows what will come

Obviously people at GW hq know what is coming but it doesn't actually get communicated to customers any earlier than a week before it's released.

It's been repeatedly stated that every other company previews and builds hype for future products.

Weeeelll they kind of inadvertently create a hype about it....especially through these rumours that we all hear because then everyone is saying "age of sigmar? What's that?" "Omg new stuff!" "What's it going to be?" "I'm slowly dying inside trying to figure out what it is!"

I would like a better preview before preorders but still it can be exciting...
This is a little overdue though because we have been hearing rumours of a new edition for way longer than probably any other rumour so people are just getting either bored or frustrated about the lack of information

Look at it from my point of view. I have a budget for hobby spending this summer. I like Warhammer and I like Flames of War. I have to pick one, both is not an option.

Flames of war have told me what they're releasing this summer. I can look at pictures, prices, and plan an army out of it. I'm impressed.

GW have also told me that on July 4th, pre-orders go up for AOS. I'm interested, but what am I getting? There's no info, no pictures, nothing.

For all I know, AOS could be a brand new anti-dandruff shampoo!!

Does my hard earned money go on FOW, something I know about, or do I gamble on the unknown with GW?

It's a no-brainer for me.

I have to admit that I'm suddenly really panicky about models getting discontinued. There's still a bunch of WHFB stuff I'd like to have, but I can't drop that sort of money all at once.

And I've burnt myself waiting in the past, like with those lovely Fantasy terrain kits. All that stuff went OOP on me.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Island-of-Blood-UK

This product will be removed from sale on June 26th. The Age of Sigmar is coming!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Look at it from my point of view. I have a budget for hobby spending this summer. I like Warhammer and I like Flames of War. I have to pick one, both is not an option.

Flames of war have told me what they're releasing this summer. I can look at pictures, prices, and plan an army out of it. I'm impressed.

GW have also told me that on July 4th, pre-orders go up for AOS. I'm interested, but what am I getting? There's no info, no pictures, nothing.

For all I know, AOS could be a brand new anti-dandruff shampoo!!

Does my hard earned money go on FOW, something I know about, or do I gamble on the unknown with GW?

It's a no-brainer for me.

This. So much this.

If i know what's coming and I can plan for it, I can budget for a few months and spend a good lump of cash.

If otherwise your business model is fishing for overpriced impulse buys I might buy something down the road. Maybe.

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Island-of-Blood-UK

This product will be removed from sale on June 26th. The Age of Sigmar is coming!

I see. From a few random clicks I guess only the starter and all the rules materials so far?

What? You wanted information about what is exactly Age of Sigmar, like a new game , a campaign book, a story book or a new starter box?

Are you insane? Just saying GW will release SOMETHING FROM GW should be enough for you! True fans buy (and hype) blindly, they do not have to know more than that.

Yep, it just shows what GW is all about. A trademark, and nothing else. Buying their products is a honor they allow you in their great benevolence, after all.

If Age of Sigmar turns out good and there is a use for them, I shall paint my old cold-ones. You know, the one that looks like super fast, super nimble raptors.
Those.
They can actually look pretty damn good. I converted one wih the upper jaw and head of a (old) salamander instead of the original head, the cold one looks like he/she is ready to swallow someone's head entirely, it is pretty awesome. The main bad thing about it is that I only have 4 of them.
I also have a Blood Bowl skink converted with some huge pretty mean-looking dagger that I used to play as a skink hero with the magic item that give the rule that says you directly kill in one blow if you roll a 6 to wound (I cannot remember the name in English). It was pretty damn cool too! I would love to play it and to gut people all over the place again!
Maybe I will try to dust off all my very, very old lizardmen models. They are almost all one or two versions older than current. Unlike my Sisters, that are basically all current .

(Not buying anything new, though. Unless it is plastic Sisters.)

This is what I have a problem with: people are saying GW is bring out a small skirmish level game to help new players to get in the game at a smaller/cheaper level. We already had this, it was Mordhiem and worked well. GW allowed it to die on the vine but through private players it has been kept alive and they have expanded the rules to work well. Why do they do this? They released Dead Fleet and expected great things even though they had one of the best naval battle systems with Man-O-War but dropped it like a hot tater.

I like the concept of Mordheim, but it was never going to work as an introduction to WFB on a relevant scale. The gap between model counts and general mechanics (urban comabt vs open battlefield) was just too big.

The game also lived and died when WFB was still going strong and GW had no desire to offer a cheaper alternative.

In general, it takes more than just low model count and the same setting for a game to be an effective gateway drug. The models and rules have to be highly compatible. Take Necromunda and 40k. Pretty much nothing from that awesome game transitions to 40k, unless as a "counts as". Now think about a Kill Team game with Deathwatch, Ork Freebooterz, Gene Cults and an some Eldar Aspect Rave Party with BBQ and Music as your starter forces. Let the top model count go as high as 30 for the Orks. Heck, go 40. Then add relevant entries for those "warbands" in the respective big game codex books, preferably as Troops.

There, you can now light your fireplace with 100$ bills.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Now think about a Kill Team game with Deathwatch, Ork Freebooterz, Gene Cults and an some Eldar Aspect Rave Party with BBQ and Music as your starter forces. Let the top model count go as high as 30 for the Orks. Heck, go 40. Then add relevant entries for those "warbands" in the respective big game codex books, preferably as Troops.

And just like that, I'd be playing 40k again. Or at least 'HMV Presents: Kill Team'.

- Salvage

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Boss Salvage wrote:


Meanwhile, rumors begin circulating of a tenth edition of 40k, along with potentially traumatizing photos of wraithknights and termagants on square bases ...

"Peter, we've talked about this, there has to be 8th and 9th editions of 40k first."

"Oh, no, Lois. That's the beauty of 10th ed. 40k. It's so intense it jumps right over 40k 8th and 9th edition!"

"But that's..."

"I have spoken!"

Referred to as "the forgotten and the purged," the two missing editions allow players to make up their own custom editions of Warhammer 40,000.

Yes there is definitely a niche to expand Kill Team into a true introduction to 40k. And hopefully Age of Sigmar is going to be that for fantasy and a whole new game in its own right too.

When people say Skirmish, they are thinking 30-40 models a side more than the 10 of Mordhiem.

On a similar sort of vibe, I really think that a single box of say, Orc Boyz, should be a valid unit and reflected as such in-game. It always seems like you need at least TWO boxes of everything!

Maybe improve horde faction stats slightly so that you don't need as many.

Reduce the Magic phase and instead give units the options for magical buffs/attacks.

I dunno, I'd like to see a fast and more cost effective version take over but I'll probably hold off until I see KoW 2 anyways.

 monders wrote:
On a similar sort of vibe, I really think that a single box of say, Orc Boyz, should be a valid unit and reflected as such in-game. It always seems like you need at least TWO boxes of everything!

Maybe improve horde faction stats slightly so that you don't need as many.

Reduce the Magic phase and instead give units the options for magical buffs/attacks.

I dunno, I'd like to see a fast and more cost effective version take over but I'll probably hold off until I see KoW 2 anyways.

Agreed, this is the thing that stopped me building my HE army a few years ago. There was a new release wave (White Lions, Dragon Princes, Phoenix Guard) that was chock full of amazing minis, all of which would have to have been bought in multiples to be of any use. I'd have happily paid for one box of any, but needing at least two killed any interest I had.

If this new ruleset is of a scope where I can take, say a couple dozen Spearmen, a dozen Archers, a box of White Lions and some Ellyrion Reavers as a viable full force, I'll be all over that!

There is a difference between "viable" and "valid".
That box of Orc Boyz is a valid unit--but not viable.

Agreed with the rest of Paradigm's point. As it stands, I was looking at just ignoring certain units for my Elf armies because you just need so damn many of them--same goes for Cavalry that isn't Monstrous.

I can totally understand the excitement of some others in the thread - just because we don't know many details doesn't mean we can't look forward to Age of Sigmar's release. Played Fantasy since '92 and while I love the setting, for me it was stale - the same old fluff again and again. The End Times finally moved the plot forward - it was the culmination of over 20 years of hints and suspense, finally being delivered on in a big way (unlike Storm of Chaos). Why is it so strange to think that some people are equally excited to see where the story goes next? Personally I've been a huge fan of all the End Times model releases, and I see no reason why the starter set model's would be any worse detail wise, so frankly I'd even pre-order it without any information going in because it's going to deliver on what I want most - story and models. If I don't like the rules they'll just make awesome conversion parts for 8th edition armies.

 reds8n wrote:
This product will be removed from sale on June 26th. The Age of Sigmar is coming!

Glad I got my copy a month ago!

 Paradigm wrote:

 monders wrote:
On a similar sort of vibe, I really think that a single box of say, Orc Boyz, should be a valid unit and reflected as such in-game. It always seems like you need at least TWO boxes of everything!

Maybe improve horde faction stats slightly so that you don't need as many.

Reduce the Magic phase and instead give units the options for magical buffs/attacks.

I dunno, I'd like to see a fast and more cost effective version take over but I'll probably hold off until I see KoW 2 anyways.

Agreed, this is the thing that stopped me building my HE army a few years ago. There was a new release wave (White Lions, Dragon Princes, Phoenix Guard) that was chock full of amazing minis, all of which would have to have been bought in multiples to be of any use. I'd have happily paid for one box of any, but needing at least two killed any interest I had.

If this new ruleset is of a scope where I can take, say a couple dozen Spearmen, a dozen Archers, a box of White Lions and some Ellyrion Reavers as a viable full force, I'll be all over that!

If you want one of the most extreme examples of this, try making a Khainite Dark Elf Army.

You want Witch Elves for your core troops (20 for a small unit up to 40 in a horde). Okay a box of 10 Witch Elves is... £35?! So a single unit of your core troops will cost between £70 and £140

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
This product will be removed from sale on June 26th. The Age of Sigmar is coming!

Glad I got my copy a month ago!

I grabbed one recently for $75 and am probably going to pick up at least 1 more. Worst case is they create a solid base for KoW armies for dirt cheap and best case they are good for a more WotR style WFB gaming which looked awesome in their 4x2 round movement trays.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I grabbed one recently for $75 and am probably going to pick up at least 1 more. Worst case is they create a solid base for KoW armies for dirt cheap and best case they are good for a more WotR style WFB gaming which looked awesome in their 4x2 round movement trays.

I only bought it for the Skaven, and only then for Warhammer Quest. Cheapest way to get Skaven characters and Ogres.

Bottle wrote:When people say Skirmish, they are thinking 30-40 models a side more than the 10 of Mordhiem.

monders wrote:On a similar sort of vibe, I really think that a single box of say, Orc Boyz, should be a valid unit and reflected as such in-game. It always seems like you need at least TWO boxes of everything!

Reduce the Magic phase and instead give units the options for magical buffs/attacks.

Am I allowed to point out that Warmachine / Hordes has all of those things, plus more stuff SkirmishHammer people keep one-upping? As well as tighter rules than I believe GW capable of creating? Yes, yes, you don' t like the models and/or aesthetic. Rebuttal: 1) Use models you do like? 2) Having seen the art for AoS, the last redux of the Empire and the popularity of Skaven, can you deny that The Dub isn't cashing in on the same steampunk wagon?

Anyway, I'll return to simmering in the background.

- Salvage

Because Skaven & Empire haven't been steampunk'ish since before WMH's existed...

I'd say the stormfiends, at least, represent a marked increase in that sort of thing.

(BTW, do stormfiends mean that third parties can make overgrown rodent monsters [i]and/i] call them rat ogres...?)

 Vermis wrote:
I'd say the stormfiends, at least, represent a marked increase in that sort of thing.

(BTW, do stormfiends mean that third parties can make overgrown rodent monsters [i]and/i] call them rat ogres...?)

Because ratling guns didn't exist I guess? Along with rat/steam powered giant crushing wheels, cannons that shoot lightning, and even powered armor.