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TIL - only one person on the entire planet has access to a GW employee that might actually know something about AoS, everyone else is full of crap

Thanks for that massive hunk of info, Sina. I think it's all pretty interesting.

To those calling bull, do you honestly think someone would come up with all of that just troll half a dozen gorgnards?!

If it is bull, then OP needs to get writing some rule sets

OP has already explained why they can't/won't take photos. Be respectful, despite what you may think.

Edited - more words.

SinaLeibniz wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
-The new system will have both Skirmish and large battle with ranked troops versions.

-Skirmish can use round or square. Large version is square.

-The round 32mm bases in the space marine boxes were originally made for WH:AoS, but the 40k studio guys liked the look and they fit space marines better.

-AOS box will have both round and square bases in the box.

No, no, no. No square bases, no rank and file, no two game systems.

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I had the chance to look thoroughly through the proper Age of Sigmar rulebook (the one that consists of three books) yesterday evening. Spent my time with the three books and ignored the novel in favour of the real interesting things. So I cannot fill in the blanks there. But maybe I have the opportunity to look at the rulebook and novel again and hopefully the age of sigmar box, too. But now I have a way clearer picture what’s coming and I’d like to share with you because I am very (!!!) excited, but I cannot provide any photos for obvious reasons. So if you don’t believe me, I don’t blame you. But please don’t attack me personally.

wrote loads of stuff.............

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thanks for this.....

All sounds quite interesting - I love Warhammer fluff and will continue to use and write stuff for it but I am interested in this quite a bit. Skirmish type games are often much more fun and in vogue at our club.

Any more info on Vampires - is Neferata or any of the others back?

If its not real - make a good world / kickstarter game

Sad Panda went against those rumors, and Sad Panda has a 100% rumour tracking rate as far as I know

If the system goes round base will there be anyway to get old units?

My wife started a woodelf army before Christmas and has a few more units to go. We are fairly on the fence about AoS as we have a number of large 8th edition armies and don't want to see them shelved.

SinaLeibniz wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
-The new system will have both Skirmish and large battle with ranked troops versions.

-Skirmish can use round or square. Large version is square.

-The round 32mm bases in the space marine boxes were originally made for WH:AoS, but the 40k studio guys liked the look and they fit space marines better.

-AOS box will have both round and square bases in the box.

No, no, no. No square bases, no rank and file, no two game systems.

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I had the chance to look thoroughly through the proper Age of Sigmar rulebook (the one that consists of three books) yesterday evening. Spent my time with the three books and ignored the novel in favour of the real interesting things. So I cannot fill in the blanks there. But maybe I have the opportunity to look at the rulebook and novel again and hopefully the age of sigmar box, too. But now I have a way clearer picture what’s coming and I’d like to share with you because I am very (!!!) excited, but I cannot provide any photos for obvious reasons. So if you don’t believe me, I don’t blame you. But please don’t attack me personally.

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- units regenerate all lost wounds at the end of the phase
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- magic spells are all one-use only, when you use it, you have to discard the card
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undeads, deamons and spirits, and guardian hosts are used by every faction of the game, necromancy but not summoning is common in the dominion of Sigmar. The Inneadim are famous for their use of animated constructs. These things are not a big taboo in Regalia. However the most fearsome necromancers are (obviously) employed by the Empire of Nehekhara (which is not a desolate wasteland and has no egyptian vibe but is a rich and green country and feels more babylonian to me) and their death gods. But there is no Undead faction per se anymore. Vampires are called Necrarchs now.
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Those two rules are crazy

And no undead faction per se? So, undead are now a weapon of good?

And Vampires are now only Necrarchs? What happened with the rest of the lines? Something is wrong here...

Most of the things you said, makes sense... But those two rules and what happens to the undead are strange things...

Maybe you didn't understood everything you read cause you didn't had time to read every page to the minimal detail

Let's wait and see but thank you for the spoiler.

P.S. IF there are only Necrarchs, how can we use our models of Nagash and Mortarchs? They are useless if that happens... And it was said that our models from the End of Times would still be used... It will be a big mistake from GW if they make the rules for undead like that...

I don't know how long I've got until they catch me, but at last, I can give everybody the info they need on Age of Sigmar.

I've never posted rumours before on Dakka, so imagine my surprise, when two nights ago, I got a late night phone call from one of my old 'Nam buddies.

Hand on heart, I thought he was looking for a loan, but he had an interesting story to tell.

As part of his job as a travelling asbestos salesman, he obviously gets around the country. 3 days ago, he stopped in Nottingham and decided to have a few drinks in the hotel bar. Somebody else was in there, somebody who looked depressed beyond measure. Being a compassionate human being, my friend got talking to him. Apparently, this person was a games designer for Games forge or something. He had just been fired, and the criticism he received for writing a book called 50 grey knights had really stung him. Please bear in mind there was a lot of alcohol consumed at this stage.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, my friend told me there was interesting info for me, and that I should collect it in a Nottingham park around midnight the next day.

So, I turned up, and there was a large envelope on a park bench. I grabbed it and ran off, but I'm pretty sure I seen a drone or something in the sky...

Make of this what you will, but I can reveal the following:

New version will be called Age of Sigmar: The Warhammer years.

It's not a skirmish game, or a full scale game like 8th. It's something in between that allows you to switch systems mid game. GW are calling it Skir-battle.

4 Chaos gods are back, and there is a new, 5th god called Y'B'R'I'K - the god of despair and no hope.

It's similar to unbound in 40k. You can pick what you want. Dwraves and goblins? It's allowed. High elves dark elves. No problem.

Rulebook comes in 3 versions: gold, silver, and bronze.

Bronze gives you rules for moving your troops and building army lists. You can't charge with bronze rules, but may fight if charged. Price £30/$50. Bronze version is unavailable in Australia.

Silver rules: As bronze, but with the ability to declare charges. Price: £40/$60 Silver version is unavailable in Australia.

Gold edition: As silver, but you can shoot with missile troops, cast spells, and place terrain on the table. Price: £50/$70. Available to Australia, but print only and ONLY 1000 copies to be made available from ONE shop in ALICE SPRINGS. . Australia doesn't have the web or something according to my source.

Army books are changing and this may annoy some people. All the old races are gone, but replaced with new races in army books.

Bronze rule books give you basic lists, but no options for extra equipment.. If you want heroes to lead your troops, you need silver and gold. You can purchase silver and gold mid game, so you can boost your troops at a crucial moment, giving you extra tactical options.

Example. Say you buy archers, but the bronze book doesn't give you bow options. You can still buy archers, and then mid game, upgrade to silver. This could catch your opponent off guard.

Base sizes are changing. Round and square are out. It's triangle bases.

Finally, the chapterhouse case has GW worried, so they're paranoid about copyright and people producing alternatives to their models, and this applies to the measuring system as well. GW have decided not to use metric or imperial, so there is a brand new unit of measurement in this rule book. It's micro fractions or something.

Anyway, If I get anymore info I'll post here, but I'm constantly looking over my shoulder on this one.

So, assuming this is true, what the hell has happened to my Ogres?

 Grimtuff wrote:
So, assuming this is true, what the hell has happened to my Ogres?

See my post above. Ogres start of as human in the bronze rules, but you can buy the upgrade mid-game to turn them into ogres. It's a supplement that costs £5.

Sad Panda wrote:
Those rumours sound cool. Perhaps better than the real thing.

But the good guys of the starter really are Fantasy Space Marines for all intents. And nothing else. Even a bit broader than Space Marines, even a bit chubby looking. Models might make reasonable Adeptus Custodes conversions even. And they are all male of course.

Sad Panda denies? So basically confirmed that huge wall of text is bs. Too bad, it sounded cool...

Mymearan wrote:


Sad Panda denies? So basically confirmed that huge wall of text is bs. Too bad, it sounded cool...

Not necessarily.
SinaLeibniz wrote: Age of Sigmar box content: Extrapolated from the pictures, they are the only new models.

Maybe he/she just made a mistake extrapolating from pics. Doesn't invalidate all the rest, though.

And no undead faction per se? So, undead are now a weapon of good?

And Vampires are now only Necrarchs? What happened with the rest of the lines? Something is wrong here...

Some of the undead have always been much more shades of grey than the Hammer House of Evil of the later depictions of the Van Carsteins.

Really old fluff def has if not "good" then relatively benevolent vampires such as Genevieve (she did save the Emperor and seems to even got a bit part in the End times :0 ), certain areas of Kislev even used undead against the Chaos invaders..............given the fairly dark background they were not usually much worse than some of the Empires own nobility.

I would hope that its not just the Necrarch line that has survived - although they are the ones closest to Nagash so the ones he would likely bring back - Neferata and friends hated and feared him for the most part.

 Mr Morden wrote:

And no undead faction per se? So, undead are now a weapon of good?

And Vampires are now only Necrarchs? What happened with the rest of the lines? Something is wrong here...

Some of the undead have always been much more shades of grey than the Hammer House of Evil of the later depictions of the Van Carsteins.

Really old fluff def has if not "good" then relatively benevolent vampires such as Genevieve (she did save the Emperor and seems to even got a bit part in the End times :0 ), certain areas of Kislev even used undead against the Chaos invaders..............given the fairly dark background they were not usually much worse than some of the Empires own nobility.

I would hope that its not just the Necrarch line that has survived - although they are the ones closest to Nagash so the ones he would likely bring back - Neferata and friends hated and feared him for the most part.

Ok... But that wouldn't invalidate the use of the Mortarchs? I can't believe new models that were brought with the "End of Times" are going to be useless :/

I for one really hope that Nigmo And Waaaghkin are playable right outta dat new box!

Good to see Grimgor being elevated from Ironhide to the pantheon of the gods!

Hastings on Warseer:

"Quite a bit of that actually ties in to what I've heard, I wouldn't be so quick to poopoo it.

I find some of it a bit self conflicting - i.e. only skaven and exdwarves have guns - but then later on mentions goblins do too?

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a lot of this come to pass."

Grimgor.

Is a god.

And there are peaceful Orcs. And female Orcs.

Gaaaaaaaaghhh... Gork and Mork will not be pleased.

Other than that - sounds interesting, I guess? Not Warhammer, but not reprehensively vile.

The only believable things really are;

1. Changing all the generic race names to IP protectable names.

2. Unbound - so all the top OP models can be sold in mass to everyone regardless of what they collect.

NunoTaborda wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

And no undead faction per se? So, undead are now a weapon of good?

And Vampires are now only Necrarchs? What happened with the rest of the lines? Something is wrong here...

Some of the undead have always been much more shades of grey than the Hammer House of Evil of the later depictions of the Van Carsteins.

Really old fluff def has if not "good" then relatively benevolent vampires such as Genevieve (she did save the Emperor and seems to even got a bit part in the End times :0 ), certain areas of Kislev even used undead against the Chaos invaders..............given the fairly dark background they were not usually much worse than some of the Empires own nobility.

I would hope that its not just the Necrarch line that has survived - although they are the ones closest to Nagash so the ones he would likely bring back - Neferata and friends hated and feared him for the most part.

Ok... But that wouldn't invalidate the use of the Mortarchs? I can't believe new models that were brought with the "End of Times" are going to be useless :/

Mortarchs might be the Greater Daemons / Angels of Nagash?

 Graphite wrote:
Grimgor.

And there are peaceful Orcs. And female Orcs.

Gaaaaaaaaghhh... Gork and Mork will not be pleased.

Other than that - sounds interesting, I guess? Not Warhammer, but not reprehensively vile.

FEMALE Orcs?! Gork & Mork planned this. NOW there will be some REAL FIGHT'IN!!!
As for 'peaceful' Orcs... that's just a male orc taktik for gettin' da she-orc angry...

 Mr Morden wrote:


Mortarchs might be the Greater Daemons / Angels of Nagash?

I can see that... But more like: Bodyguard of Nagash :p

But I'm also finding hard to believe about the magic being used only once... How could the undead army be strong if not being able to resurrect models every turn?

Sounds brave and fun!

The basic mechanics (not so much the unbound thing) that SinaLeibniz posted sound like a step in the right direction.

But the only thing I liked about the proposed fluff is feathered raptors might be gaining one more tiny foothold against pop culture's resistance. Otherwise, whoever said it earlier was right: looks like it's going full-on World of Warmaconfrontation, with plenty of goofy names so that GW can continue to pretend to own elves and dwarfs and orcs.

plastictrees wrote:Three elves per base!
If you are talking about traysfor ranking up anyway then round/square/size isn't super relevant.

It is if Warhammer keeps the old big battle version which relies on cramming as many individual models' attacks into the front rank as possible.

This SinaLeibniz rumor pack sounds... strange. It will be interesting to see which parts of it turn out to be true.

I hope it's not Steve-the-Warboss posting with a new alias...

NunoTaborda wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:


Mortarchs might be the Greater Daemons / Angels of Nagash?

I can see that... But more like: Bodyguard of Nagash :p

But I'm also finding hard to believe about the magic being used only once... How could the undead army be strong if not being able to resurrect models every turn?

Maybe it will be that you can only do it once per game so its tactical and/or rank and file undead are cheap, or just really hard to kill.

Often in the old fluff - they tended to have a big cinematic moment when a great horde is raised

Zombies (and similar) might be (this versions equivalent) of T5 with a ward save to represent that you have to stab them in the head and that they get back up unless you do.

Skeletons might be relative good in a fight - quick and agile - Harryhausen style.

Perhaps it will have a rule that every model that the undead kill has a chance of becoming a Zombie.

Lots of fun ways to do it I think..............

Do_I_Not_Like_That: Bravo mate. That was amazing.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Anyone seen the reddit post from the "fired" Bethesda employee who claimed to have all the know about Fallout 4?

The ones who were mostly right? They were wrong about only being able to play a male character, but it's not hard to imagine someone making that mistake when the female PC got about 5 seconds of screen time to the male PC's 17 minutes in the E3 presentation.

What Sina is saying certainly sounds insane but so did the End Times, and that turned out to be true.

Yeah but you have to have no idea about the whole Fallout franchise, or how Bethesda makes games to believe that it will not have both sexes playable.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Maybe it will be that you can only do it once per game so its tactical and/or rank and file undead are cheap, or just really hard to kill.

Often in the old fluff - they tended to have a big cinematic moment when a great horde is raised

Zombies (and similar) might be (this versions equivalent) of T5 with a ward save to represent that you have to stab them in the head and that they get back up unless you do.

Skeletons might be relative good in a fight - quick and agile - Harryhausen style.

Perhaps it will have a rule that every model that the undead kill has a chance of becoming a Zombie.

Lots of fun ways to do it I think..............

Undead with ward saves would be crazy

Maybe we get some magic with Vampires+Undeath lores? This way, we would had 4 or 5 spells that could bring back the dead... And we would had access to all magic spells in that lore instead of using only one for each magic level of the wizard...

And I only can see the "one use only" if it is like this: "You can only successfully cast it once".

If not, then you try to use the spell once, it gets dispelled and the magic phase becomes really bad...

NunoTaborda wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Maybe it will be that you can only do it once per game so its tactical and/or rank and file undead are cheap, or just really hard to kill.

Often in the old fluff - they tended to have a big cinematic moment when a great horde is raised

Zombies (and similar) might be (this versions equivalent) of T5 with a ward save to represent that you have to stab them in the head and that they get back up unless you do.

Skeletons might be relative good in a fight - quick and agile - Harryhausen style.

Perhaps it will have a rule that every model that the undead kill has a chance of becoming a Zombie.

Lots of fun ways to do it I think..............

Undead with ward saves would be crazy

Maybe we get some magic with Vampires+Undeath lores? This way, we would had 4 or 5 spells that could bring back the dead... And we would had access to all magic spells in that lore instead of using only one for each magic level of the wizard...

And I only can see the "one use only" if it is like this: "You can only successfully cast it once".

If not, then you try to use the spell once, it gets dispelled and the magic phase becomes really bad...

Yeah maybe but like I say there are lots of ways to do this - make it a rule about zombies being raised for every kill as long as your have a necromancer (or Vampire etc) on the table - keep Crumble.

This way you keep the flavour but can keep the magic for other stuff?

I wonder what would happen to bound items if the one use rule for magic spells turns out to be true. Will they go up in points and be the only way to cast spells more than once, be reduced in points to compensate for the once per game, or if they will be removed. Of course knowing GW they very well may just copy paste them in with no thought on how the value of the item has changed

 Mr Morden wrote:


Yeah maybe but like I say there are lots of ways to do this - make it a rule about zombies being raised for every kill as long as your have a necromancer (or Vampire etc) on the table - keep Crumble.

This way you keep the flavour but can keep the magic for other stuff?

With "each would you make" instead of "each kill" I would say: Wow!!!! That would make the vampire a machine of rising undead...

How many wound you did this turn with all your army? 10? 10 new skellies/zombies it is...

Death Magic, Terrorgheist, half the special units, the vampire and the units that we use to hunt machines would give us a significant number of models each turn


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 Jaceevoke wrote:
I wonder what would happen to bound items if the one use rule for magic spells turns out to be true. Will they go up in points and be the only way to cast spells more than once, be reduced in points to compensate for the once per game, or if they will be removed. Of course knowing GW they very well may just copy paste them in with no thought on how the value of the item has changed

Dunno if you read some theories we are discussing here, but if the "one use rule for magic spells" would be "one use only of a successful cast spell" I think it wouldn't be bad enough...

And yes... One use only, would sure needs to be spells that would care for less points to cast and/or with the same points, cast augmented spells, to be fair...

They now have three gods called the triumvi-rat...

Oh, no... Triumvirate, maybe? Please don't let it be triumvi-rat...

I hesitate to call BS because of the wall of text... Do people really go that far to troll the boards? Seems like you could cause just as much havoc with a third of that and then have time to go kick puppies or something (NOT saying THIS poster would do such a thing or even that THIS poster is trolling... Just seems like something that someone who would do this also might enjoy).

If this is true, I'm not sure how I feel. I guess we'll know more in a few weeks...