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OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Please link the ebay listing for the armies, I'm always on the look out for more.

 Ratius wrote:
Maybe but say this:

3.30 a model

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Empire-Greatswords

VS

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Space-Marine-Tactical-Squad-2015

3.50 a model

So, what, they jack the empire to 40-50 a box? raising per model to 4 or 5? I dunno, are GW that cwayzee?

Remember, we already have that with Blight Kings
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Putrid-Blightkings

$US 11.00 a model

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

overtyrant wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

 Yodhrin wrote:


I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

Yes?

Why would you stop doing sports or stop enjoying physical activity, just because one particular sport changed or even ceased to exist? Go try Tennis. Seriously. Or Golf. Or Basketball. Or whatever. Nobody in their right mind would just ... stop.

 Yodhrin wrote:

overtyrant wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

You didnt see any of those things actually come to pass.

It's like you're at the stage when they announced something will change but you duno any details..

 Yodhrin wrote:

overtyrant wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

You might have a better point if there was any kind of professional Warhammer league to follow, and if the 'governing body' came round to Chubbs' gaff to personally melt his models and shred his books.

I'm with Overtyrant and Wonderwolf: this is part of the GW conditioning that particularly weirds me out. Such a complete lock on the GW way of gaming - the package game; pickups; rules churn; spend spend spend - so when that turns against them, there's nothing left but to fall on their sword. Keep an army collection and don't constantly pour money into it? Ridiculous. Find other gamers and organise games of 8th or earlier? Absurd. Glance sideways at other systems, even those where you can easily use your collection and the old Warhammer fluff? You've got to be kidding, right?

I'm going to be using my LOTR models for D&D, once I can get a campaign going at my club. I have no intent of abandoning my LOTR collection, even if I do eventually quit the SBG game.

No reason why people can't take their existing Warhammer collections and adapt to a new rules system like Kings of War. In fact, doesn't Mantic Games encourage that?

 Yodhrin wrote:

overtyrant wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

How about we wait and see eh? How do you know the sky is falling if FIFA haven't told you anything about the new game? The best response would be to wait and see and after you have tried the new game if you do not like the changes then any statements about quiting wouldn't be seen as childish.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm going to be using my LOTR models for D&D, once I can get a campaign going at my club. I have no intent of abandoning my LOTR collection, even if I do eventually quit the SBG game.

Nice!

No reason why people can't take their existing Warhammer collections and adapt to a new rules system like Kings of War. In fact, doesn't Mantic Games encourage that?

Especially with those new (free!) army lists they're bringing out in response to AoS. And like I keep saying, there are a handful of other existing and upcoming rulesets that let you plug in or create rules for whatever fantasy minis you have. (Though it's not otherwise impossible) Take a look at this, this, and this.

overtyrant wrote:


How about we wait and see eh? How do you know the sky is falling if FIFA haven't told you anything about the new game? The best response would be to wait and see and after you have tried the new game if you do not like the changes then any statements about quiting wouldn't be seen as childish.

If everyone adopted a 'wait and see' approach there wouldn't be much rumour discussion going on in the rumour forum. Just saying.

 Vermis wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm going to be using my LOTR models for D&D, once I can get a campaign going at my club. I have no intent of abandoning my LOTR collection, even if I do eventually quit the SBG game.

Nice!

Currently on my painting desk are these guys, the plastic LOTR Army of the Dead. I'm painting them up as Wights (as opposed to incorporeal ghosts), which fall somewhere between zombies and skeletons. Faster and more intelligent than zombies, but not quite as decayed as skeletons. Think Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 8 Hardhome. Bronze and iron armour; red, brown and black clothing. I think I've got some Nihilakh Oxide somewhere for verdigris on the bronze.

I like these models so much, I might get a second box and paint them up as actual Army of the Dead to add to my Arnor/Grey Company Army (Pelennor Fields).




Point being, just buy whatever models you like whoever the manufacturer, and play the rules system you most enjoy. Miniatures and rules are not inextricable.

It not that the game wont be fun it probly will be. It is the money thats getting to me. I boght thousands in bloodbowl, which is now in my basement in a box. I spent thousands on epic, now in a bow in the basement. I spent thousand on inquestion and worse of all thousands on monster arcnium and storm of magic. All useless and in boxes.

I spent god knows how much on whfb easly double digit thousands. Which are goin to be in a box in the basement.

I know aos will be fun but i am having more and more trouble buying there product when i know in months to a couple years woll be in a box in the basement. I am getting older and spending that much money on a toy to throw out is starting to bother me more and more.

I guess i am just getting sick of spending thousands for wall decorations.

Like think i can buy a blood thirster and a hero for 200+ or i can buy my kid a ipad. Or worse yet, i can buy the three variants of blood thirsters or a ps4 for the family and go online netflix watch blue ray ect. Or have three maybe four wall decor. That how good they look depends on my painting. It is mot like back in the day you bought 30 a box of models and had a army in a month or two. Now it a big money sink every time you buy anything. Three hunder after a week of buying doesn,t seem to bad three hunder afer going into store and getting three boxes..hurts

please don't see this as a dig at you but

See if you can together a group of people friends to play the old stuff at one of your houses rather than playing pickup games instore,

that way you have people to play with and don't need to depend on a game continual updates, new models which ends up costing a bucket

(although I admit it is also fun to play the new best thing)

especially as you have multiple older games to rotate between as one starts to get stale things should remain fresh and fun.

and once your playing with a regular group you can start tweeking rules to suit the group rather than having to stick to whatever nonsense the new codex/armybook/boxset has just introduced no matter how much you hate it

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

Yes?

Why would you stop doing sports or stop enjoying physical activity, just because one particular sport changed or even ceased to exist? Go try Tennis. Seriously. Or Golf. Or Basketball. Or whatever. Nobody in their right mind would just ... stop.

Why? If they are a fan of that sport not others, likely an opinion arrived at through experience, what value do other sports have to them? I'm not big into sports, but I have a passing interest in Rugby Union; if they changed Rugby Union into something that very much resembled American Football & abolished the Scottish national team, and I decided to stop watching and following Union as a result, why does my prior interest in that one specific thing which has now changed beyond all recognition from my perspective require me to then start showing an interest in other sports?

 Vermis wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

overtyrant wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Well with all books going on june 26 even storm of magic and treachery i am done. On june 4 i think i will be leaving the hobby and this board for good . Guess it has been a good run.

Over dramatic much? Why don't you wait snd give this game a go or you know try one off the many other games out there.

I never get this response. If someone was a huge football fan, played amateur football at the weekends etc, and then the governing body of the sport completely changed the rules and purged half the teams from the professional leagues, killing the one they supported in the process, and that person subsequently decided that the things they enjoyed about football had been taken away so they were done with it, would you say "hey man, don't be so over-dramatic, try Tennis!"?

You might have a better point if there was any kind of professional Warhammer league to follow, and if the 'governing body' came round to Chubbs' gaff to personally melt his models and shred his books.

I'm with Overtyrant and Wonderwolf: this is part of the GW conditioning that particularly weirds me out. Such a complete lock on the GW way of gaming - the package game; pickups; rules churn; spend spend spend - so when that turns against them, there's nothing left but to fall on their sword. Keep an army collection and don't constantly pour money into it? Ridiculous. Find other gamers and organise games of 8th or earlier? Absurd. Glance sideways at other systems, even those where you can easily use your collection and the old Warhammer fluff? You've got to be kidding, right?

And this kind of snide, passive-aggression is exactly why I object to the kind of "advice" on offer above. It's not about helping folk out, it's about impressing upon them that you are a superior, open-minded person, and they are "conditioned" with "absurd" opinions. About ensuring they understand that their personal taste is invalid because it's insufficiently broad. That they're just being "childish".

It's actually a bit sad that some folk feel the need to validate themselves by dumping on others like that.

Agreed. If you have that much stuff, just play with your buddies at home.

While the tournament scene doesn't like it, that's how the majority of gamers play. They're the guys who show up to a store and buy a few hundred worth of stuff at once, and aren't seen again for months. When they show up again, they do the same thing and disappear again.

That stuff isn't just getting thrown in a box. He/she is playing with a group of people at their house. These are the people that keep game companies alive. Like it or not, but even the tens of thousands of regulars who play in tournaments and stores around the world are not enough to sustain a business, especially when the communities are spread so thin like they are these days.

Just get together with people you know, organise to play in someones garage, and pool some money for some terrain. It's easy. If your friends and yourself like the older editions, simply play those. If you want to use something new, homebrew some rules using the new rules as a base.

I got ya Yodhrin and would go as far to say that if you know EXACTLY what you like and are really specific with your preferences there is little need to change. Specially if that change is imposed by others ( in this case GW ).

I'm very pragmatic with this so I will give it a go even if its considerably different, but for me its more about the minis than the games. My only advise to people not wanting to embrace this change is, do not sell your stuff because if GW rebooted all into skirmish levels there is nothing stopping them, in a couple editions, to revert into 8th.

Thats the thing the all quit closest people i know who play are two hours away. Everyone else quit slowly over the edition updates..... I am all thats left lol. Hell the closest store that sells gw is two hours away.

Couldn't everyone just play their favourite edition of WFB? Be it AoS or 6th, 7th, 8th etc?

GW aren't actually the King of anyone. I hate Final Fantasy 13, but I just play Final Fantasy 7 through 12.

In the last year, I think I've played maybe three games of WHFB. But most of the reason is my work schedule, which has prevented me from getting to stores that have people who play. While I'm trying to fix that, I'm also optimistic that AoS will be small-scale enough to maybe drag some new players in and get fresh blood to play with.


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 Davylove21 wrote:
Couldn't everyone just play their favourite edition of WFB? Be it AoS or 6th, 7th, 8th etc?

GW aren't actually the King of anyone. I hate Final Fantasy 13, but I just play Final Fantasy 7 through 12.

You're missing out. Play IV and VI.

If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

I'm doing it with LOTR SBG. When I finally get round to clearing my backlog, I'll have several full sized armies (by a skirmish game's standards). I own all the rulebooks for all factions (there aren't that many books, and they sometimes go cheap on ebay). If I wanted to get into Warhammer Fantasy (I do like some of the factions and the models, and I always enjoyed reading battle reports in White Dwarf), I would stick with 7th or 8th Edition, get the rulebooks off ebay, and build modest sized armies for my favourite 2 or 3 factions. I don't go to GW stores anymore, so I'd be more inclined to use cheaper 3rd party models like Mantic which would help cut costs.

People do this at my gaming club, but with board games. Between the ~10 of us, we own like 20+ board games. Games that I would never have played if somebody else hadn't made the investment on my behalf. And I myself have bought a bunch of rulebooks for D&D 5th Ed, and will be providing miniatures and scenery (as a miniature wargamer thats what I do anyway).

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

Yup, I already do that. I have 3 really close friends that play and have armies. I have 3 more that play because they use one of mine, but either don't have the means or quite the desire level enough to take the plunge. Between my combined flavors of Elves, ogres, and chaos dwarves, I have enough to supply probably 5 other people playing.

I like the collecting, building, and (slowly) painting, so i scratch my itch while getting people to play the game with me that might not otherwise be players. *shrug* They like playing but one of them probably couldn't afford it (lots and lots of kids, rebooted career after recession), and the other two enjoy the game play but look at the investment and can't justify the buy in for what is, for them, a once monthly game played over pizza and beers.

I think its cool there are other people out there that do this with games they like. I'll probably give AoS a whirl no matter what to make up my own mind about the game (shocking, i know!), but if its a trainwreck, I know i can still play 8th with a wide and fairly diverse pool of opponents (the army owning friends all have different armies to me, so while we don't have 100% of the bases covered, it's close, and at the very least, all the races are represented).

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

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Go home Kirby. You're drunk.

But seriously, that might work for board games but who can afford multiple armies of 500 to 1000 dollars a piece. I love encouraging my friends to share my hobbies but that is a bit excessive.

Is LOTR still around even? I always found it to be superior to WFB......

Apparently, somebody in the GW Financials thread in General is claiming it still sells like hot cakes in some territories according to a senior GW manager who told them.

Others are viewing this skeptically.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Apparently, somebody in the GW Financials thread in General is claiming it still sells like hot cakes in some territories according to a senior GW manager who told them.

Others are viewing this skeptically.

Oh, i'm sure it does. You're going to have huge variation in sales. I see it all the time on retailer boards in the US. Same sized and similar stores having vastly different sales numbers. This is due to local conditions. So some GW stores are going gangbusters, while others are sucking wind badly.

And overall, they are down about 5% for the year.

General Hobbs wrote:



Is LOTR still around even? I always found it to be superior to WFB......

Hell yes. Its a small but vibrant community. Just look up the Great British Hobbit League on facebook, and the One RIng forum.


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Kendo wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

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Go home Kirby. You're drunk.

But seriously, that might work for board games but who can afford multiple armies of 500 to 1000 dollars a piece. I love encouraging my friends to share my hobbies but that is a bit excessive.

Lots of people on this very forum have several armies, built up over years.

And like I said, if people would just free themselves of this blindly loyal mindset of only ever using GW models, then they could shop around for cheaper alternatives.

General Hobbs wrote:


Is LOTR still around even? I always found it to be superior to WFB......

It is. While GW have just about abandoned it, the community is certainly taking over in the same way that Necromunda/Mordhiem/BFG fans have kept those going. Take a look at the One Ring forum or Dakka's own LotR subforum and you'll see plenty of folks interested in keeping the game alive.

Azreal13 wrote:Apparently, somebody in the GW Financials thread in General is claiming it still sells like hot cakes in some territories according to a senior GW manager who told them.

Others are viewing this skeptically.

I wouldn't be too sceptical. While so many have stopped buying it due to falling quality/rising prices, there are still those that must have everything in the range (and more of them than you might think). Look at Smaug; they've sold three print runs of him, and are bound to have made shedloads from that.

To date, the only tournaments I have ever attended were LOTR tournaments. And they were all independent with no official support from GW (though the first one was hosted at Warhammer World).

The comparison to old abandoned specialist games is a good one. But I think the LOTR community has an advantage over those other communities, in that GW is commercially obligated to not abandon the miniature range just yet. They renewed the licence recently until 2017 or so, so the range will still be on sale for a few years to come.

Kendo wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If you can afford multiple armies and want to continue playing Warhammer Fantasy, why not build modest sized armies for multiple factions (say 2000-3000 points) and collect all the rulebooks, so that you can provide all the materials necessary to play the game and the only investment you're asking of your opponents is their time? People might be more inclined to play a game if they don't have to make a huge financial investment.

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Go home Kirby. You're drunk.

But seriously, that might work for board games but who can afford multiple armies of 500 to 1000 dollars a piece. I love encouraging my friends to share my hobbies but that is a bit excessive.

sadly over the years i have collected that much lol and books, the problem is getting people to play. My wife plays but she has been getting into sculpting alot more then anything else. But for armies i have the book for them all and have atleast 3k for
orcs and goblins, empire, skaven, dark elves, woodelves, beastmen, demons of chaos all but tzeench, lizardmen, vampires, tombkings and warriors of chaos.

And I think 10k worth of ogres. I got atleast 2heroes/2lords/1special characters of every character.
And 4 boxes of every unit -_-

But if they are being squated curse them curse them ALLLLLLLL. Plus I miss the rules for pit fights Can't get anyone to give me a pit fight match anymore.

p.s. If they stop seelling the books does that mean they will be legal to dl from a third party website?