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 Haight wrote:

Also, this thread really has gotten a touch silly. I get that people are passionate. I get that people disagree. But there's a point where point and counter-point devolves into just throwing words at one another on the internet for the sake of it. And then there's just trying to punch one another in the dick with magnetic ink.

Obviously I'm biased, but I see it like this:

"Wow! These models are great! Can't wait until they're released!"

"Oh, no, I really don't like that look. Looks silly to me. I'm going to pass."

"Why are you being negative? Stop nerdraging!"

"The huge suits of armour on these heroic superhuman warriors (long rumoured as 'fantasy space marines') look too much like the space marine aesthetic for my view of WFB."

"They look nothing like space marines!"

"Hee hee! Those angel guys look like the ones Mantic made!"

"GW didn't steal them, y'know!"

"Yeah, but, I was just saying, armoured angels..."

"Mantic stole their stuff too! And they're gak!"

"I don't really want to play ninth ed. I guess I'll just shelve or sell my armies."

"Well hang on! Here are some options you might like to check out, before you do."

"Keep your dirty non-GW games out of my GW thread!"

Not to dictate or guarantee, but if some people could just realise that other people will not like these models or what they represent for Warhammer, and that GW does not exist in a vacuum, I think things could be a bit calmer.
As an added bonus, I'd be a lot quieter.

nudibranch wrote:
May I point out how weirdly similar the Chaos force is to the Dark Vengeance Chaos force? We have: 20 marauders (cultists), 5 Chosen (uhhh... Chosen, though DV has 6), a big hulking demonic fellow (Helbrute, they even have similar poses) and a lord, plus a few extra guys... It's uncannily similar.

Not just the chaos but also the DA force. You have a squad of Sigmarines (Which can be split up into two), one 3 man unit of I think fast-special attack, one unit of 3 (I know it was 5 in the box) heavies and a lord and a sorcerer

 Commissar-Danno wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
May I point out how weirdly similar the Chaos force is to the Dark Vengeance Chaos force? We have: 20 marauders (cultists), 5 Chosen (uhhh... Chosen, though DV has 6), a big hulking demonic fellow (Helbrute, they even have similar poses) and a lord, plus a few extra guys... It's uncannily similar.

Not just the chaos but also the DA force. You have a squad of Sigmarines (Which can be split up into two), one 3 man unit of I think fast-special attack, one unit of 3 (I know it was 5 in the box) heavies and a lord and a sorcerer

If you squint enough, anything is the same...

Swing and a miss, GW.


Swing and a miss.

I personally like the Sigmarites, I just feel the paint job lets them down. A more muted, weathered colour scheme would improve them a lot in my mind.

I find myself utterly bewildered. I come to see what's up next for WFB (or "Age of Sigmar" which is supposed to replace it)... and discover that they've posted pictures of the next 40K box set featuring Space Marines vs. Chaos Space Marines.

Where are the WFB pics?

I like the looks of the models myself and look forward to painting them. I wish that whoever took the pictures would take more of the rest of that white dwarf so we can get a rough idea of the game.

EVERYONE - at this point yeah, we get it - you think that the new models look more at home in 40K than Fantasy.

To steal a phrase, that joke isn't funny anymore!

Please - no more LULZ posts.

Seriously - it is getting to the point where it's going to be considered SPAM and treated accordingly.

nudibranch wrote:
I personally like the Sigmarites, I just feel the paint job lets them down. A more muted, weathered colour scheme would improve them a lot in my mind.

100% agree. Different color schemes will give these a different look. And I suspect that the pro painting crowd will do some pretty great stuff with them.

I like the lord on battlecat, and the angels and chaos models interest me.

Just waiting on the rules now. By and large I've dropped games-workshop in favor of other things but as others in this thread have said; this was my first love and I can't wait to see what they've done.

Everyone is saying they don't like the sigmar guys because they don't work with the existing aesthetic of the humans depicted in Fantasy. However my interpretation of the text below the picture is that these "Sigmarines" are not humans, they are something like a golem. The chaos gods have their worldly servants and their demons; if Sigmar is supposed to be the human god then it would make sense he would have his own summoned warriors, which we see here. This would easily explain the metallic faces.

On another note, I have a WIP tzeentch WoC force and seeing all this Khorne makes me cry.

CatMines wrote:
Everyone is saying they don't like the sigmar guys because they don't work with the existing aesthetic of the humans depicted in Fantasy. However my interpretation of the text below the picture is that these "Sigmarines" are not humans, they are something like a golem. The chaos gods have their worldly servants and their demons; if Sigmar is supposed to be the human god then it would make sense he would have his own summoned warriors, which we see here. This would easily explain the metallic faces.

On another note, I have a WIP tzeentch WoC force and seeing all this Khorne makes me cry.

Raises the question, though, of where these holy warriors of holy amazingness were when Sigmars people were getting slaughtered wholesale by Skaven, Orcs and the forces of Chaos in the old Warhammer world

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

CatMines wrote:
Everyone is saying they don't like the sigmar guys because they don't work with the existing aesthetic of the humans depicted in Fantasy. However my interpretation of the text below the picture is that these "Sigmarines" are not humans, they are something like a golem. The chaos gods have their worldly servants and their demons; if Sigmar is supposed to be the human god then it would make sense he would have his own summoned warriors, which we see here. This would easily explain the metallic faces.

On another note, I have a WIP tzeentch WoC force and seeing all this Khorne makes me cry.

Raises the question, though, of where these holy warriors of holy amazingness were when Sigmars people were getting slaughtered wholesale by Skaven, Orcs and the forces of Chaos in the old Warhammer world

The standard bearer seems to have a bared skull, so it might be "the honored dead" coming back for vengeance...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

CatMines wrote:
Everyone is saying they don't like the sigmar guys because they don't work with the existing aesthetic of the humans depicted in Fantasy. However my interpretation of the text below the picture is that these "Sigmarines" are not humans, they are something like a golem. The chaos gods have their worldly servants and their demons; if Sigmar is supposed to be the human god then it would make sense he would have his own summoned warriors, which we see here. This would easily explain the metallic faces.

On another note, I have a WIP tzeentch WoC force and seeing all this Khorne makes me cry.

Raises the question, though, of where these holy warriors of holy amazingness were when Sigmars people were getting slaughtered wholesale by Skaven, Orcs and the forces of Chaos in the old Warhammer world

Because they are an incarnation of Sigmar's holy wrath and didn't exist before the destruction of the old world. Duh.

Look at me! I'm a GW fluff writer! Weeeeeeeeee.

 Commissar-Danno wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
May I point out how weirdly similar the Chaos force is to the Dark Vengeance Chaos force? We have: 20 marauders (cultists), 5 Chosen (uhhh... Chosen, though DV has 6), a big hulking demonic fellow (Helbrute, they even have similar poses) and a lord, plus a few extra guys... It's uncannily similar.

Not just the chaos but also the DA force. You have a squad of Sigmarines (Which can be split up into two), one 3 man unit of I think fast-special attack, one unit of 3 (I know it was 5 in the box) heavies and a lord and a sorcerer

I noticed that, too... GW going with a "if it works here" mentality...

I dig the new chaos stuff, the 5 chaos warrior's in the set look amazing. I would love to see the current kit replaced with guys that look like that. The muradur guys also look amazing and put the current plastics to shame. Top shelf stuff.

But the more I look at the Sig-mariens all I see is space mariens with out their back packs glued on.
=/

I guess it will work out for me, since I can see alot of space marien players wanting to get their hands on these guys for conversions. Shouldn't be hard at all to make a flip on them.

I'm not going to touch the new fantesy with a 10 foot pole untill i can gage how well the local community adopts it.

I'm getting Skitarii thread "it looks like the South Park thing!" flashbacks...

 Alpharius wrote:
EVERYONE - at this point yeah, we get it - you think that the new models look more at home in 40K than Fantasy.

To steal a phrase, that joke isn't funny anymore!

Please - no more LULZ posts.

Seriously - it is getting to the point where it's going to be considered SPAM and treated accordingly.

While I don't disagree, it's pretty much the only thing we can have a concrete discussion on at this point.

 Kanluwen wrote:

The standard bearer seems to have a bared skull, so it might be "the honored dead" coming back for vengeance...

...and there weren't enough of them from the previous how many years of the Empire getting slaughtered wholesale by Skaven, Orcs and Chaos to make an appearance?

What I find most curious about the thread since those pics were posted, are the number of people already writing off the game based on two pics that contain images (and not super good ones) of portions of two factions.It's just like a few weeks ago, people writing off the game simply because GW decided to move on in the first place. I think that's a bit premature.

Two pics, showing pieces of two factions. That's all we have so far. I don't care for either myself, but even if they were AWESOME figs, I still wouldn't be buying them. I have never, and will probably never, play either humans or chaos. Does that mean I should just write off AoS before seeing the rest, too? Before seeing the rules? It just seems like some of the reactions are indeed nerdrage (indeed, one fella even immediately wanted to sell his entire collection for a 'great price'... because of two blurry pics).

The fluff does seem to be sparking some interest... at least for me, it is. So it's possible that these 'Sigmarites' battle the Chaos guys at this Gate... and if the Gate is opened, it unleashes the other races upon Regalia (or whatever the world is called). Doesn't that just make close to perfect sense for the starter set leading to the unveiling of the new setting? The first two 'factions' to exist in this new setting, and their 'war' is what allows/causes the other factions to spring into existence... and as such, they're the first two 'new' factions (at least minis wise) to come out in support of the new game and setting. I think that part is actually pretty cool, myself.

But really - if you don't like the minis, and you're a veteran... have you already sold off your current figs? Why can't you use those?

If you don't like the minis and you were thinking about picking up AoS but are now writing off the game already - do any of the other factions interest you? Why are these two factions 'make or break' for so many people? We don't even know if they are 'part' of a larger faction, or a faction all to themselves. Sure, it's likely the Khorne folks are part of 'Chaos' in some manner. But I could see the Sigmarites being to Space Marines, what Empire/Brets are to Imperial Guard. Who knows?

And we haven't even seen any facts about the actual -rules- yet. While I am not really expecting anything earth-shattering from GW on that front, I would not be surprised at all if the new rules are fun and interesting. I also keep getting this feeling that there -will- be some way to scale up games to a mass-battles level. We don't have long to wait now. But throwing in the proverbial towel over two blurry images is just silly to me.

As for the ongoing KOW stuff - I agree with Bottle. It's really unnecessary in this thread. I thought this was the AoS news/rumor thread. Not a KoW thread, not a comparison thread, not an IP discussion thread... and so on. Apparently the mods are cool with the frequent journeys that go way off -topic, but really - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that some folks claim to come here for AoS news and rumors, when they're really here just to bag on GW and try to recruit/leech folks off to other game systems. Personally I don't care if you do that (to each their own) - but then again, that's not what this thread was for, I think. But that's just one guy's opinion.

In the absence of real information from the company creating the product, people will just act on blind instinct and knee-jerk reactions.

Because, you know, not telling your customers what you're doing until a week before you start to sell it is such a cool idea!

By the time something is actually released, the majority of the people who have already written it off will have forgotten about it and the people who are excited will still be so.

It's GW's grand plot; they're no longer just hiring for attitude but selling for attitude as well. They don't want you as a customer unless you're blindly a fan of whatever tripe they deem to throw in your direction.

I think what I find most sad is this flood of 40k players salivating at the destruction of WHFB. And for what, so they can have more bitz for their 40k armies? Or they can play their exact army equivalent (i.e. demi-god humans) in another game? Why do they really need to play WHFB then, if they can't get into anything other than Space Marines (or again, their equivalent).

Are these Sigmarites the same as Space Marines? Eh, they have some similarities in appearance, but then Space Marines were supposed to be space knights so that would obviously come up. In concept, however, they're basically identical: greek, armored demi-gods, representing the holy power of the "good" god against the forces of Chaos, often probably doing "whatever is necessary" to fight for the good side. The rest of the Empire becomes the new Imperial Guard, secondary to this new faction, which I can only imagine will get the most attention in the future, through releases of factions like "monk knights", "vampire knights", and "viking knights". Should the WHFB factions remain as they are, the only two factions that won't have 40k equivalents will the Lizardmen and Skaven (and every 40k thread about ideas for new armies is just begging for their import into 40k).

So far, I think the models look good to very good. But that's never been GW's problem- in fact, it's really their best feature. I just worry that WHFB will toss out everything they feel is too generic and eventually create just a more medieval version of 40k. People keep saying "well WHFB was dying anyway," but was it dying because it didn't have fantasy marines? Or was it because the game had become massively bloated and unwieldily?

I'm surprise no one noticed the new terrain in the back ground of the chaos pic.

Holy wall of text bro.
personally I can't wait to add some of these figs to my growing kings of war army. After seeing those 2 pics I'm selling off almost all of my stuff because gw sucks.

 judgedoug wrote:
Man. It looks like they've chosen to completely abandon the 30-year old aesthetic that made Warhammer such a unique universe.

Warhammer is now Flash Gordon shoved through a He-Man filter.

Barf.

Warhammer battle was the epitome of generic and boring fantasy, there was nothing unique in it, as far as high fantasy goes, there is other games that does it, better and cheaper.

Warhammer battle had nothing unique.

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
I'm surprise no one noticed the new terrain in the back ground of the chaos pic.

Is that new? I just assumed that it was one of the kits from Storm of Magic.


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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Holy wall of text bro.
personally I can't wait to add some of these figs to my growing kings of war army. After seeing those 2 pics I'm selling off almost all of my stuff because gw sucks.

Well, these angels will certainly go together better than the crap that Mantic makes. I had one of the heroes with metal wings and that was a nightmare to put together. Mantic may have come up with the idea first but GW plastics will beat the living daylights out of their preferred medium (restic or metal). Give me plastic over crappy Mantic restic any day.

The terrain there first showed up in Triumph and Treachery two years ago!

 agnosto wrote:

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
I'm surprise no one noticed the new terrain in the back ground of the chaos pic.

Is that new? I just assumed that it was one of the kits from Storm of Magic.


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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Holy wall of text bro.
personally I can't wait to add some of these figs to my growing kings of war army. After seeing those 2 pics I'm selling off almost all of my stuff because gw sucks.

Well, these angels will certainly go together better than the crap that Mantic makes. I had one of the heroes with metal wings and that was a nightmare to put together. Mantic may have come up with the idea first but GW plastics will beat the living daylights out of their preferred medium (restic or metal). Give me plastic over crappy Mantic restic any day.

Its new and is interacting with the models so its not part of a matt painting

NVM then

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
I'm surprise no one noticed the new terrain in the back ground of the chaos pic.

Several people did.

I don't know why so many people are up in arms saying they added space marines to fantasy.

Here is a secret, they already had space marines, they were called chaos warriors. All they did was add a sigma deity lead force to oppose the chaos warriors.

Warriors of Sigmar!

Does this mean are age old armies of the Empire are gone. No way, just means they now have bigger meaner older brother that can take the fight to chaos.

I doubt they are done with the empire. Maybe they rename them, but the look and feel will still exist.

I feel like Sigmar is Thor and his soldiers are the Warriors of Asgard.