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I may buy a buy a box for parts, hope to see some close up pics soon

 Mort wrote:
But throwing in the proverbial towel over two blurry images is just silly to me.

Eh, easy for you to say, with your Sebastian Crenshaw avatar. Our GW pampered brethren never lived through the clusterfeth that the old Warzone rise, collapse, resurrection and another collapse was. They haven't earned their scars

There are a couple things in that text I find interesting that nobody is really talking about.

1. It sounds like the world this takes place on is entirely ruled by chaos, and the forces of good are going to be the invaders trying to bring down the established civilization of chaos. This is a big thematic shift from the prior invasions of chaos trying to topple the civilized forces of good.

2. It sounds like they intend to have a developing continuing story. It talks about this being the initial invasion trying to open some gates, which will presumably allow other factions to get to this world. Maybe new factions will be added as part of an ongoing story, which advances with the release of each new army book or campaign supplement. Maybe not, but I got the impression that this could mean a continually advancing story instead of a more static setting for Warhammer.

I dunno how I feel about what looks like an army of BA Sanguinary Guard, looks a wee bit silly, but maybe better pics will help.

I'm curious to see how the full rules will pan out.

Well I spent around $1200 in the last 3 months on my final 8th FB purchases, I do not regret any of it one bit. This was all based on rumors of course and some would claim that is risky, but due to GW's record I know 8th was ending and most likely an entirely new style of minis, while I was undecided at the time if I would give 9th a shot, I can firmly say now I will not be giving Ikea Age Of Modern Poo a shot at all.

If that is the logo itself my god is that ugly and sterile, typical of the modern boring ugly design aesthetic, which will never be my thing, what initially attracted me to GW and fb and even 40k was the design aesthetic that was poured into everything, and while over the years they have made blunders and are in no way the business they used to be, I personally felt they did 8th right in terms of style, art, hardcover books and retaining many things that kept FB...FB.

This looks like some ugly clone of a small indy skirmish game with over the top bland generic design, sure Chaos is still around and I have no doubts the new GD models will look amazing for my chaos 8th armies ( luckily these mostly remain in style ), but so far empire looks like nothing empire and I just aint feeling anything at all but not interested in the game or look or design style at all.

That ain't nerdrage it's just my honest opinion over what I see, FB as we know it is dead...long live 8th I know I will continue to paint and play in the whfb world as it was by bryan ansell and co, I might even switch to Foundry historicals now that my fb armies are finished for purchases.

Anyway I just started Dark Angels for 40k on the cheap with DV bits on the bay, and have half my deathskulls army bought so 8th fb, 7th 40k and historicals is my future it would seem.

If other people enjoy 9th or whatever this crap is hey all the power to you, ain't my thing though and I'm happy with my existing armies and original FB fluff and look.

 Bottle wrote:
The difference is I don't go into the KoW threads to say how shockingly [MOD EDIT - Don't try and circumvent the expletive filter - Alpharius] the minatures look. In fact I don't go into KoW threads at all. If only KoW players did the same for WHFB threads...

I'd rather we counted Warmahordes talk as spam, first. They're far more guilty than the KOW fans.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
There are a couple things in that text I find interesting that nobody is really talking about.

1. It sounds like the world this takes place on is entirely ruled by chaos, and the forces of good are going to be the invaders trying to bring down the established civilization of chaos. This is a big thematic shift from the prior invasions of chaos trying to topple the civilized forces of good.

2. It sounds like they intend to have a developing continuing story. It talks about this being the initial invasion trying to open some gates, which will presumably allow other factions to get to this world. Maybe new factions will be added as part of an ongoing story, which advances with the release of each new army book or campaign supplement. Maybe not, but I got the impression that this could mean a continually advancing story instead of a more static setting for Warhammer.

yea, I was more interested in the fluff, even though the miniatures have impressed me. Another whole box of chaos guys, just like Dark Vengeance!! But back to the fluff, it really sounds like Bubble Hammer is happening, as this is just the first gate or many Realmgates.

I still say this is a one-off game that uses Hobbit rules.

Ehhh. I got the general vibe that Warhammer Fantasy was going to gak sometime about the End Times, and these leaks are just confirming my vibe.

I like the angels the best I guess, but it doesn't look Warhammer. The whole thing looks videogamey and, well, meh.

The thing I wonder about is the fact that the Warhammer pictures on the GW website still feature ranked armies on square bases.
I thought the SOP was to remove everything in an army affected by a change before the revamp was out.


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 Breotan wrote:
I still say this is a one-off game that uses Hobbit rules.

I think you might be right.

 Breotan wrote:
I still say this is a one-off game that uses Hobbit rules.

A one off game, that repleased all the rules books for WHFB.

erm........

=S

Well we know what happened to one of the lost Legions of 40k.

Space Marines in Fantasy!

Okay, they do not look like Space Marines. They do look similar to Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard Space Marines, who are themselves modelled on Modred's armor from Excalibur.

Fantasy (AOS) = Scifi (BA SG) = Fantasy (Mordred)

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mort wrote:
But throwing in the proverbial towel over two blurry images is just silly to me.

Eh, easy for you to say, with your Sebastian Crenshaw avatar. Our GW pampered brethren never lived through the clusterfeth that the old Warzone rise, collapse, resurrection and another collapse was. They haven't earned their scars

HMV... how deep you cut me, sir! You re-open wounds still yet fully healed!

In all seriousness... I can see a sizable 'core' of fantasy players who will roll with whatever GW tosses them.
I can see a sizable chunk of vets (some already posting here that they were done) leaving the game behind.
And I can see a ? size of -newblood- giving the game a try. I've even seen comments from guys who quit playing in previous editions who plan to give this a shot. The 'skirmish' aspect definitely has some folks intrigued, and I am still feeling the vibe that there will be -some- sort of 'scale up' possibility to allow players to cover all bases.

Sure, this could be the REAL 'End Times' for WHFB. I just think it's too soon yet to tell.

Relapse wrote:
The thing I wonder about is the fact that the Warhammer pictures on the GW website still feature ranked armies on square bases.
I thought the SOP was to remove everything in an army affected by a change before the revamp was out.
.

The revamp isn't out yet.

How soon before a rerelease they remove the old stuff often just depends on how much stock they have left. They don't want to pull stuff from the store that they're never going to be able to sell until they have to.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
I like the angels the best I guess, but it doesn't look Warhammer. The whole thing looks videogamey and, well, meh.

What the heck are you talking about? These are clearly not akin to any armored angelic figures in video games. Quite frankly, I find the notion that GW could come up with anything partly or wholly unoriginal to be offensive, sir.



Full disclosure: I've never been a WHFB follower and these models don't look to change that. But they would make for some nice SM kitbashing down the line.

 adamsouza wrote:
Okay, they do not look like Space Marines. They do look similar to Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard Space Marines, who are themselves modelled on Modred's armor from Excalibur.

Note that Morderd's armor in Excalibur and the BA SG armor is *actually* modeled after Greco-Roman armor dating back roughly 2,500 years ago.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_cuirass

Also note mordreds armour is normal human proportioned armour, not this ridiculously big and bulky space marine armour

Still no new shots of the terrain.

Hmm...

Not big on WFB *only becuase I dont have the budget for it AND 40k* But those sigmarites look like they will be prime pickings for my knightworld IG vets. I can only hope that hammer on the shield is a transfer and not sculpted.

Anyways, looks really interesting.

Revenant78 wrote:
Well I spent around $1200 in the last 3 months on my final 8th FB purchases, I do not regret any of it one bit. This was all based on rumors of course and some would claim that is risky, but due to GW's record I know 8th was ending and most likely an entirely new style of minis, while I was undecided at the time if I would give 9th a shot, I can firmly say now I will not be giving Ikea Age Of Modern Poo a shot at all.

If that is the logo itself my god is that ugly and sterile, typical of the modern boring ugly design aesthetic, which will never be my thing, what initially attracted me to GW and fb and even 40k was the design aesthetic that was poured into everything, and while over the years they have made blunders and are in no way the business they used to be, I personally felt they did 8th right in terms of style, art, hardcover books and retaining many things that kept FB...FB.

This looks like some ugly clone of a small indy skirmish game with over the top bland generic design, sure Chaos is still around and I have no doubts the new GD models will look amazing for my chaos 8th armies ( luckily these mostly remain in style ), but so far empire looks like nothing empire and I just aint feeling anything at all but not interested in the game or look or design style at all.

That ain't nerdrage it's just my honest opinion over what I see, FB as we know it is dead...long live 8th I know I will continue to paint and play in the whfb world as it was by bryan ansell and co, I might even switch to Foundry historicals now that my fb armies are finished for purchases.

Anyway I just started Dark Angels for 40k on the cheap with DV bits on the bay, and have half my deathskulls army bought so 8th fb, 7th 40k and historicals is my future it would seem.

If other people enjoy 9th or whatever this crap is hey all the power to you, ain't my thing though and I'm happy with my existing armies and original FB fluff and look.

Uhm, if anything that logo is a massive throwback to earlier editions, no?

Reminds me of this (2nd edition 40k):

They still look like darksiders more than anything to me...

http://darksiders.wikia.com/wiki/Angel



I actually quite like the Darksiders aesthetic... if GW demons looked half as good as Darksider's demons I would have collected a demon army.

But at this point I'm not as concerned with the aesthetic as I am with the round bases and my lack of trust in GW's rules team to create a decent game.

Isn't the darksiders aesthetic massively influenced by GW stuff tho?

Not really. At least I don't think so.

(not that the Darksiders aesthetic is original, I just don't think it really borrows from GW)

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Hmm, so yeah that is a thing.

I like the idea of a more skirmishy, warbandish game.
I like the idea of updating the clunky old Chaos miniatures.

But I can't get over the fact that it's not really Warhammer at all, now that the fluff has been gutted, and the fact that those awful Sigmarines are so utterly distant to the existing aesthetic just reinforces that sense of loss.

Pass. I'll wait for better pics of the Chaos models and maybe grab a few off eBay at some point, and I suppose if I develop a burning, irresistible desire to build an Adeptus Custodes army in the next 6-18 months before FW do them better I might look again at those atrocious Paladins of Derp, but obviously I'm not the kind of gamer GW are interested in any more.

Back to Mordheim for me then.

Well for starters, we don't know what the rules are going to be like yet. So, enough mithering about what we don't know yet. Let's wait for next Saturday shall we?

What relevance do the rules have to my view when A; I specifically mention I like the idea of a more skirmish-style system, which this evidently will be at least in terms of the boxed set, and B; the main things I mention as driving my disappointment are the fluff, which we know for a fact is buggered because that's already happened, and the aesthetic of the models, which we can see pretty clearly in the image?

 adamsouza wrote:
Okay, they do not look like Space Marines. They do look similar to Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard Space Marines, who are themselves modelled on Modred's armor from Excalibur.

Which was the directed by the same man who directed Zardoz and Deliverance! Now we have to figure out who is Sean Connery in a wedding dress and who is Ned Beatty!


I am so happy they are releasing Warhammer Fantasy Space Marines 3000!

number9dream wrote:

Revenant78 wrote:
Well I spent around $1200 in the last 3 months on my final 8th FB purchases, I do not regret any of it one bit. This was all based on rumors of course and some would claim that is risky, but due to GW's record I know 8th was ending and most likely an entirely new style of minis, while I was undecided at the time if I would give 9th a shot, I can firmly say now I will not be giving Ikea Age Of Modern Poo a shot at all.

If that is the logo itself my god is that ugly and sterile, typical of the modern boring ugly design aesthetic, which will never be my thing, what initially attracted me to GW and fb and even 40k was the design aesthetic that was poured into everything, and while over the years they have made blunders and are in no way the business they used to be, I personally felt they did 8th right in terms of style, art, hardcover books and retaining many things that kept FB...FB.

This looks like some ugly clone of a small indy skirmish game with over the top bland generic design, sure Chaos is still around and I have no doubts the new GD models will look amazing for my chaos 8th armies ( luckily these mostly remain in style ), but so far empire looks like nothing empire and I just aint feeling anything at all but not interested in the game or look or design style at all.

That ain't nerdrage it's just my honest opinion over what I see, FB as we know it is dead...long live 8th I know I will continue to paint and play in the whfb world as it was by bryan ansell and co, I might even switch to Foundry historicals now that my fb armies are finished for purchases.

Anyway I just started Dark Angels for 40k on the cheap with DV bits on the bay, and have half my deathskulls army bought so 8th fb, 7th 40k and historicals is my future it would seem.

If other people enjoy 9th or whatever this crap is hey all the power to you, ain't my thing though and I'm happy with my existing armies and original FB fluff and look.

Uhm, if anything that logo is a massive throwback to earlier editions, no?

Reminds me of this (2nd edition 40k):

2nd ed 40k is possibly the worst visual kiddie aesthetic GW has ever done, I'm pretty sure Bryan was gone by then too ( around 1992 ), It was bad...really bad, I got into GW in 87 so I knew of their visual designs from back then till now. Most of us back then loved the newer models coming out because prior to that we had mostly generic space marines and so on, but visually that was the start of GW's dive into what it is today.

Just compare that monstrosity crayola kiddie logo of 2nd ed to 1st ed 40k or 3rd ed logo which is still used, it's an eyesore and cheap looking. In the grim darkness of 2nd edition there is only goblin green bases and everyone sits on overwatch.

Take a look at virtually most GW logos and packaging pre 1992 and you will really understand what I mean here, they truly did some works of art and unique things with all the creative individuals they had back then. They still have John doing art for them and a few others like adrian smith ( some of his early gw pencil work is amazing like the slaanesh and nurgle stuff ), also 4th and 5th ed fantasy were almost as bad visually, it was what is known as the red period and even many of the sculpts outside of JG were blocky and mono boring looking, they also hired some comic style artist around 5th who really influenced the mini sculpts and I hated that look as all the skulls looked exactly like the artwork which was crap and not suited to that grim darkness.

Around 6th edition things slowly start going back towards the more darker and better quality design look, with 7th and 8th ( along with 3.5 and 6 40k ) rulebooks having a similar push towards late 80s style GW, I really enjoyed the fact they went back to hardcover as most books back in the late 80s were hardcover like ere we go and space hulk camps and the blood bowl books and all that. plus they hold up better with gaming use.

But seriously as soon as I saw the logo I just said wow it's like Ikea decided to muck around in photoshop for 5 mins yawnnnnnnnnnnnn. Almost reminds me of one of those BL IG novel type font covers, it would work for sci fi but it's really ugly and in no way a reflection of fantasy vibe or feel at all, and chances are it probably is the logo or part of the logo.

http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.ca/2013/08/behind-scenes-at-golden-demon-1988-and.html

This is GW as I knew it and loved it and many others, not the plastic ugly modern mcdonalds crap we have today.

Loving the people who have decreed the games whole aesthetic equals the models of one faction ( since this is what some of you are basically saying ) and that the game is worthless because of one factions models or a different style. I'm sorry, but that logic is just unfathomable.

This is a new game, period.

WHFB was a creaking-at-it's-foundation ancient withering fossile, it's great that it is completely and utterly renewed asfar as I'm concerned. One just can't expect their 10 year old product to be supported forever, it's the same with all products. Admittedly, I can feel the sting of anyone who bought an army less than a year ago. Personally I don't mind similiarities with 40K but I ofcourse hope they haven't been lazy and basically copypasted everything.

Things in the world change and nothing stays the same. Get over it.

@Revenant78 - Nice pics from a time long ago

I really, REALLY miss those paint pots. The ones that are identical to the current P3 pots

Revenant78 wrote:

To each their own, I think things never got better than the old "red period"(around 2nd-ish for 40k and 4th/5th for fantasy). Both for 40k and fantasy. Especially for orcs/orks and goblins/gretchen. Sure some models were trash but I feel the same about some of the new stuff as well.

As for these sigmar knights; I like the lord on battlecat and I'm interested in seeing better pictures of the angels and chaos.