Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Revenant78**

Runic wrote:
Loving the people who have decreed the games whole aesthetic equals the models of one faction ( since this is what some of you are basically saying ) and that the game is worthless because of one factions models or a different style. I'm sorry, but that logic is just unfathomable.

This is a new game, period.

WHFB was a creaking-at-it's-foundation ancient withering fossile, it's great that it is completely and utterly renewed asfar as I'm concerned. One just can't expect their 10 year old product to be supported forever, it's the same with all products. Admittedly, I can feel the sting of anyone who bought an army less than a year ago. Personally I don't mind similiarities with 40K but I ofcourse hope they haven't been lazy and basically copypasted everything.

Things in the world change and nothing stays the same. Get over it.

I'm not actually going to say anything good or bad about the GAME itself, that I will find out and most of us will once people have played it.

Visually I think and so far from what I can tell storywise..its not wh fantasy as us vets know and loved it, and that makes us very angry and sad at the same time for legit and obvious reasons.

I can honestly say the chaos stuff looks amazing and will STILL fit and work well with 8th chaos, but I think the rest is going to be some war machine clone bs and I personally hate that style and nothing about it scream WH or gw to me at all.

**Bronzefists42**

I have to say I'm going to pick up some of the Chaos to make either a Tzeentch/Norse bloodbowl team, as they look a bit "sportsier."

I don't play WHFB but it does seem like they really dropped the ball with empire aesthetics here. They really look like Blood Angels. They aren't bad models just not quite the right type.

Also anyone point out that wonky scenery yet?

Looks like that "bubbles" thing might have come to pass

**Revenant78**

Talys wrote:
@Revenant78 - Nice pics from a time long ago

I really, REALLY miss those paint pots. The ones that are identical to the current P3 pots

Me too that's why I order coat d'arms now and use them right along side the new citadel paints ( I like both but CDA is better for quality imo ), you get 18ml in the same pots that we all loved, some of the colors a little dif and not all are still around but most are, like I still have my hobgoblin orange and some others that are not around, I really miss swamp brown and have been trying to come up with a close match I think it was a similar color to dark flesh/doombull brown or whatever its called now just with a slightly pinkish brown tone to it vs that richer chocolate brown.

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Bronzefists42 wrote:
I have to say I'm going to pick up some of the Chaos to make either a Tzeentch/Norse bloodbowl team, as they look a bit "sportsier."

I don't play WHFB but it does seem like they really dropped the ball with empire aesthetics here. They really look like Blood Angels. They aren't bad models just not quite the right type.

Also anyone point out that wonky scenery yet?

Looks like that "bubbles" thing might have come to pass

I'm actually considering picking up the scenery itself for doing a realm of chaos themed table for battles there, that is the one thing that they may pull off well sadly all or well the good scenery is mainly gone now so hopefully some of the new scenery can be still used for 8th with some cutting if its a bit over the top.

**Pacific**

Far too much judging of the book by it's cover here!

(Although, I realise that is all we have to go at this point)

The really important thing here is going to be the rules. As much as the game had diverted course over the past few editions, WHFB was a fundamentally well designed game in terms of its core mechanics. This game obviously looks to represent a different scale of miniature wargaming, with wheel and manoeuvre of blocks of infantry and cavalry charge looking like it's going to be relegated to a thing of the past for GW.

I've just started playing the Terminator miniature game (funnily enough designed by Alessio Cavatore, who wrote rules from previous editions of WHFB, LoTR amongst other games) and it is an absolutely, exceptionally designed game. The whole game just fits together so well; extremely easy to pick up but I can already see there is depth there. The miniatures if I'm honest look pretty basic compared to what we have on show here (although are carried somewhat by the strength of the license). But, this is what it comes down to; not just style, but substance. There has to be a game there, and solid mechanics that allow a fun game to be had while involving tactical input from the player.

Does GW still have the ability to do this, after a couple of recent misfires? It's going to be interesting to find out, and I think certainly of more importance for the success (or not) of this game.

**Pepticsalve**

Pacific wrote:
Far too much judging of the book by it's cover here! (Although, I realise that is all we have to go at this point)

The really important thing here is going to be the rules. As much as the game had diverted course over the past few editions, WHFB was a fundamentally well designed game in terms of its core mechanics. This game obviously looks to represent a different scale of miniature wargaming, with wheel and manoeuvre of blocks of infantry and cavalry charge looking like it's going to be relegated to a thing of the past for GW.

I agree with this now... At first I was taken aback by the new models, but you know what, if the rules are well written and the game is fun to play and there are people in the local area willing to play then I'm in. I'll grab the started boxes, I might even paint the sigmar and chaos factions up - though in truth I'm holding out for the elves to see what becomes of them... I'm intrigued - this could be something awesome. Only time will tell......

**Bottle**

I can understand if people don't like the Sigmarines, but the Chaos too? They retain the current aesthetic but with much more modern designs and very dynamic sculpts. What's not to like? :-)

**monders**

Now I've slept on it, I can see actually see why some folks are a bit miffed. I was looking at AoS as a brand new game where as others were hoping it would be a rewrite and a new edition.

I was being facetious at points yesterday, and I didn't keep in mind just how passionate people can be about the setting etc.

I still like the new sculpts, though, and have moderate high hopes for a fun, engaging system. Fingers crossed, right?!

**zacharia**

Pacific wrote:
Far too much judging of the book by it's cover here! (Although, I realise that is all we have to go at this point)

The really important thing here is going to be the rules. As much as the game had diverted course over the past few editions, WHFB was a fundamentally well designed game in terms of its core mechanics. This game obviously looks to represent a different scale of miniature wargaming, with wheel and manoeuvre of blocks of infantry and cavalry charge looking like it's going to be relegated to a thing of the past for GW.

I've just started playing the Terminator miniature game (funnily enough designed by Alessio Cavatore, who wrote rules from previous editions of WHFB, LoTR amongst other games) and it is an absolutely, exceptionally designed game. The whole game just fits together so well; extremely easy to pick up but I can already see there is depth there. The miniatures if I'm honest look pretty basic compared to what we have on show here (although are carried somewhat by the strength of the license). But, this is what it comes down to; not just style, but substance. There has to be a game there, and solid mechanics that allow a fun game to be had while involving tactical input from the player.

Does GW still have the ability to do this, after a couple of recent misfires? It's going to be interesting to find out, and I think certainly of more importance for the success (or not) of this game.

I disagree, if all that was important were rules wed all be playing with cheap cardboard counters. In a minatures wargame the model asthetics are every bit as important.

**angelofvengeance**

monders wrote:
Now I've slept on it, I can see actually see why some folks are a bit miffed. I was looking at AoS as a brand new game where as others were hoping it would be a rewrite and a new edition.

I was being facetious at points yesterday, and I didn't keep in mind just how passionate people can be about the setting etc.

I still like the new sculpts, though, and have moderate high hopes for a fun, engaging system. Fingers crossed, right?!

Again, these are but 2 of the factions. I'm sure the rest will trickle through later.

**ImAGeek**

Someone photoshopped the Sigmarite things to change the colour scheme; I think it makes them look better (and I liked them anyway):

I do think people are overreacting about the 'loss of the old aesthetic'; were only seeing 2 factions here, and Chaos looks pretty much how it looked anyway; it's only the Sigmarites that are a big departure and they're a new faction. I mean yeah everything might've changed but we don't know yet. It is very annoying that we don't know yet, I hate GWs secrecy policy as much as the next guy.

And personally I much prefer the round bases.

**Bottle**

I love the round bases too. As long as round bases can be used in any later suppliments too, I am rebasing my whole army :-)

**monders**

angelofvengeance wrote:
monders wrote:
Now I've slept on it, I can see actually see why some folks are a bit miffed. I was looking at AoS as a brand new game where as others were hoping it would be a rewrite and a new edition.

I was being facetious at points yesterday, and I didn't keep in mind just how passionate people can be about the setting etc.

I still like the new sculpts, though, and have moderate high hopes for a fun, engaging system. Fingers crossed, right?!

Again, these are but 2 of the factions. I'm sure the rest will trickle through later.

Oh yeah I know, I can't wait to see what's to come

**number9dream**

Spoiler:

Revenant78 wrote:
number9dream wrote:
Revenant78 wrote:
Well I spent around $1200 in the last 3 months on my final 8th FB purchases, I do not regret any of it one bit. This was all based on rumors of course and some would claim that is risky, but due to GW's record I know 8th was ending and most likely an entirely new style of minis, while I was undecided at the time if I would give 9th a shot, I can firmly say now I will not be giving Ikea Age Of Modern Poo a shot at all.

If that is the logo itself my god is that ugly and sterile, typical of the modern boring ugly design aesthetic, which will never be my thing, what initially attracted me to GW and fb and even 40k was the design aesthetic that was poured into everything, and while over the years they have made blunders and are in no way the business they used to be, I personally felt they did 8th right in terms of style, art, hardcover books and retaining many things that kept FB...FB.

This looks like some ugly clone of a small indy skirmish game with over the top bland generic design, sure Chaos is still around and I have no doubts the new GD models will look amazing for my chaos 8th armies ( luckily these mostly remain in style ), but so far empire looks like nothing empire and I just aint feeling anything at all but not interested in the game or look or design style at all.

That ain't nerdrage it's just my honest opinion over what I see, FB as we know it is dead...long live 8th I know I will continue to paint and play in the whfb world as it was by bryan ansell and co, I might even switch to Foundry historicals now that my fb armies are finished for purchases.

Anyway I just started Dark Angels for 40k on the cheap with DV bits on the bay, and have half my deathskulls army bought so 8th fb, 7th 40k and historicals is my future it would seem.

If other people enjoy 9th or whatever this crap is hey all the power to you, ain't my thing though and I'm happy with my existing armies and original FB fluff and look.

Uhm, if anything that logo is a massive throwback to earlier editions, no?

Reminds me of this (2nd edition 40k):

2nd ed 40k is possibly the worst visual kiddie aesthetic GW has ever done, I'm pretty sure Bryan was gone by then too ( around 1992 ), It was bad...really bad, I got into GW in 87 so I knew of their visual designs from back then till now. Most of us back then loved the newer models coming out because prior to that we had mostly generic space marines and so on, but visually that was the start of GW's dive into what it is today.

Just compare that monstrosity crayola kiddie logo of 2nd ed to 1st ed 40k or 3rd ed logo which is still used, it's an eyesore and cheap looking. In the grim darkness of 2nd edition there is only goblin green bases and everyone sits on overwatch.

Take a look at virtually most GW logos and packaging pre 1992 and you will really understand what I mean here, they truly did some works of art and unique things with all the creative individuals they had back then. They still have John doing art for them and a few others like adrian smith ( some of his early gw pencil work is amazing like the slaanesh and nurgle stuff ), also 4th and 5th ed fantasy were almost as bad visually, it was what is known as the red period and even many of the sculpts outside of JG were blocky and mono boring looking, they also hired some comic style artist around 5th who really influenced the mini sculpts and I hated that look as all the skulls looked exactly like the artwork which was crap and not suited to that grim darkness.

Around 6th edition things slowly start going back towards the more darker and better quality design look, with 7th and 8th ( along with 3.5 and 6 40k ) rulebooks having a similar push towards late 80s style GW, I really enjoyed the fact they went back to hardcover as most books back in the late 80s were hardcover like ere we go and space hulk camps and the blood bowl books and all that. plus they hold up better with gaming use.

But seriously as soon as I saw the logo I just said wow it's like Ikea decided to muck around in photoshop for 5 mins yawnnnnnnnnnnnn. Almost reminds me of one of those BL IG novel type font covers, it would work for sci fi but it's really ugly and in no way a reflection of fantasy vibe or feel at all, and chances are it probably is the logo or part of the logo.

http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.ca/2013/08/behind-scenes-at-golden-demon-1988-and.html

This is GW as I knew it and loved it and many others, not the plastic ugly modern mcdonalds crap we have today.

Good post, I didnt actually know there was a big aesthetic shift from 1st to 2nd as 2nd is the earliest exposure I had.

That being said I still dont think the logo is modern looking, you said it yourself that their recent editions have had the more subdued dark look. It's a throwback just perhaps not all the way back.

I dont mind it, tho probably in part because it feels sort of nostalgic. Would still not choose this logo even so, as you said its a little cartoony feeling.

**Gertjan**

Pacific wrote:
Far too much judging of the book by it's cover here! (Although, I realise that is all we have to go at this point)

The really important thing here is going to be the rules. As much as the game had diverted course over the past few editions, WHFB was a fundamentally well designed game in terms of its core mechanics. This game obviously looks to represent a different scale of miniature wargaming, with wheel and manoeuvre of blocks of infantry and cavalry charge looking like it's going to be relegated to a thing of the past for GW.

That's sort of the problem I have here though, the rules matter, they are the important bit. I'm not interested in yet more fantasy marines or chaos. I simply have lost all faith whatsoever that GW is capable of releasing even halfway decent rules anymore.

I was hoping for a revamped version of Fantasy, maybe indeed even a skirmish variant between mordheim and 8th. I play fantasy because I want to do just that, I like the background and the models. I have no interest at all in playing 40k without Space. I most definately have no interest in space marines revamped. This whole thing just saddens me greatly (and no, I can't play older editions with my friend, they play only 40k, malifaux and 30k so I'm stuck with pick up games for fantasy and we all know that won't work very well with older editions).

Ah well, it was a good run while it lasted for fantasy, to bad, so sad, byebye

**Daston**

The only thing I am miffed about is that I have around 100 goblins lol......on the plus side only 40 or so are painted so thats the good thing.

My wife just started a new wood elf army (she also has high elves) so the upside for her is she only has 2 boxes of glade guard, 1 box of the ranger chaps (with the double handed axe/swords), some deer rider chaps and a lord.

So what would have been a very small 8th edition force becomes a full army for AoS. Down side is we just based them all the other day lol

**Talys**

@Gertjan - wow, how can you dislike a new game so much before there's anything other than a cell phone snapshot

As I understand it, the GW rep has told one of my stores that this is a new game set in Fantasy, but not a replacement for 8e; also that 9e will still be coming.

Since all the rules apparently fit on 4 pages, I can only assume that it's not a game comparable to Fantasy...

**nudibranch**

I repeat: these new models are NOT replacing the old ones. If you want to play Empire, or Orcs, or Skaven, or Lizards or Ogres or whatever you still can. No one is forcing you to buy or play these new fellows. Yes, their aesthetic is different, but the same can be said for the many different current factions of Fantasy; Empire look nothing like Chaos who look nothing like Dwarves who look nothing like Skaven etc. etc. etc... This whole 'sky is falling' attitude is confusing to me when, unless your are playing the new fellows, nothing has changed to your models.

**Dark Lord Seanron**

I haven't played WH since my faithful Gobbo army in 5th edition, but I am seriously considering a purchase now

**Talys**

nudibranch wrote:
I repeat: these new models are NOT replacing the old ones. If you want to play Empire, or Orcs, or Skaven, or Lizards or Ogres or whatever you still can. No one is forcing you to buy or play these new fellows. Yes, their aesthetic is different, but the same can be said for the many different current factions of Fantasy; Empire look nothing like Chaos who look nothing like Dwarves who look nothing like Skaven etc. etc. etc... This whole 'sky is falling' attitude is confusing to me when, unless your are playing the new fellows, nothing has changed to your models.

At least, nobody is saying, "This is a rip-off of Dune!"

A horde of rumors also say that 9e is coming shortly after. The WHFB is over sentiment doesn't make sense to me, either. If they released 9e before Sigmar, these comments would just say that GW has no originality, can't produce anything different, and it's just all a cash grab for a new book.

**Mr Morden**

Short rules sets can be very well done - I always thought Heroscape was an excellently crafted system with a refreshing simplicity that provoked gameplay over RAW lawyering.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

I don't blame people for making wild speculations on what little info there is - I blame GW for their idiotic security blanket.

Compare and contrast with Battlefront. Berlin isn't out for a while, but already, battlefront have released info on the book cover, what new units will be in it, and a discussion of both Soviet Forces and the German defenders.

What have we got from GW? A pile of nothing.

**Sire122**

Do we know whether the Sigmarites are a new faction/replacement? And whether the old world factions are still in? cheers

**pities2004**

This 40k expansion looks awesome!

**Apple fox**

Talys wrote:
nudibranch wrote:
I repeat: these new models are NOT replacing the old ones. If you want to play Empire, or Orcs, or Skaven, or Lizards or Ogres or whatever you still can. No one is forcing you to buy or play these new fellows. Yes, their aesthetic is different, but the same can be said for the many different current factions of Fantasy; Empire look nothing like Chaos who look nothing like Dwarves who look nothing like Skaven etc. etc. etc... This whole 'sky is falling' attitude is confusing to me when, unless your are playing the new fellows, nothing has changed to your models.

At least, nobody is saying, "This is a rip-off of Dune!"

A horde of rumors also say that 9e is coming shortly after. The WHFB is over sentiment doesn't make sense to me, either. If they released 9e before Sigmar, these comments would just say that GW has no originality, can't produce anything different, and it's just all a cash grab for a new book.

This is why GW need to talk about what's happening, I honestly can't beleave they would leave all this to rumers unless they want to manufacture there own marketing disasters.

Honestly the sigmar models are kinda lame, for me the worst and most missmatched minis GW have ever released.
seems they truly have killed the warhammer world for me, unless the rules are really good I am going to pass.

The chaos look mostly avg chaos, little charm to them other than KHORNE, since I needed more of that....
In the end Meh.

**highlord tamburlaine**

All your Darksiders talk just further enforces the fact that we need Joe Mad to do his own miniatures line.

Which GW would probably send a cease and desist out for such artistic similarities....

**Pacific**

zacharia wrote:
Pacific wrote:
Far too much judging of the book by it's cover here! (Although, I realise that is all we have to go at this point)

The really important thing here is going to be the rules. As much as the game had diverted course over the past few editions, WHFB was a fundamentally well designed game in terms of its core mechanics. This game obviously looks to represent a different scale of miniature wargaming, with wheel and manoeuvre of blocks of infantry and cavalry charge looking like it's going to be relegated to a thing of the past for GW.

I've just started playing the Terminator miniature game (funnily enough designed by Alessio Cavatore, who wrote rules from previous editions of WHFB, LoTR amongst other games) and it is an absolutely, exceptionally designed game. The whole game just fits together so well; extremely easy to pick up but I can already see there is depth there. The miniatures if I'm honest look pretty basic compared to what we have on show here (although are carried somewhat by the strength of the license). But, this is what it comes down to; not just style, but substance. There has to be a game there, and solid mechanics that allow a fun game to be had while involving tactical input from the player.

Does GW still have the ability to do this, after a couple of recent misfires? It's going to be interesting to find out, and I think certainly of more importance for the success (or not) of this game.

I disagree, if all that was important were rules wed all be playing with cheap cardboard counters. In a minatures wargame the model asthetics are every bit as important.

I didn't state that the rules were the only thing that was important! I agree the look of the miniatures, terrain etc. are a fundamental component of the experience.

But, without a fun game to play that's well designed you'll soon start looking beyond the pretty miniatures and just get annoyed with the function of the game.

Case in point: Sedition Wars and Dreadfleet,

**migooo**

Runic wrote:
Loving the people who have decreed the games whole aesthetic equals the models of one faction ( since this is what some of you are basically saying ) and that the game is worthless because of one factions models or a different style. I'm sorry, but that logic is just unfathomable.

This is a new game, period.

WHFB was a creaking-at-it's-foundation ancient withering fossile, it's great that it is completely and utterly renewed asfar as I'm concerned. One just can't expect their 10 year old product to be supported forever, it's the same with all products. Admittedly, I can feel the sting of anyone who bought an army less than a year ago. Personally I don't mind similiarities with 40K but I ofcourse hope they haven't been lazy and basically copypasted everything.

Things in the world change and nothing stays the same. Get over it.

That is a really hard view to take. So your basically saying suck it up?

Yes things change but it's not always a good thing. Sometimes it is people evolve and opinions change but honestly WHF is not the powerhouse it once was. GW need to realize it. 're release Morhiem and Necromunda. Maybe with less clunky rules but still. Not invent fantasy marines, and I'm going to run some people the wrong way but I'm going to guess this thing will have less female figures than now which is a shame.

This box, this game is like if kit kat removed the original version but released a new Kit Kat that was basically a cake bar while discontinuing the original. Saying you can still enjoy the originals while stocks last.

Yes nobody is saying sell your armies, and I'm not going to sell my Skaven, And I'm certainly going to try to pick up some Bretonians and witch elves before they destroy those.

Warmachine and Hordes are not as old but they certainly haven't destroyed everything yet and its only on v2. Which they openly tested. They listened, GW do not care about anybody but Kirby and other shareholders remember this.

Yes new figures are nice and I always like to see new stuff. But I'm not going to buy anything before the 4 main books are out rules wise. I'd like to read how much has been butchered beforehand.

**Wonderwolf**

I actually kinda like the models, but in doing so, I feel like I'm falling for some strange Scientology/Mormon/Waco-Doomsday-church ploy to play with an army of Nut-Job-Visions-of-Avenging-Jesuses.

**Arbitrator**

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that almost every person with a smug post about how they're happy with the look and that the complainers are 'wrong' has a space marine avatar and/or user title.

**Bottle**

nudibranch wrote:
I repeat: these new models are NOT replacing the old ones. If you want to play Empire, or Orcs, or Skaven, or Lizards or Ogres or whatever you still can. No one is forcing you to buy or play these new fellows. Yes, their aesthetic is different, but the same can be said for the many different current factions of Fantasy; Empire look nothing like Chaos who look nothing like Dwarves who look nothing like Skaven etc. etc. etc... This whole 'sky is falling' attitude is confusing to me when, unless your are playing the new fellows, nothing has changed to your models.

I'm not part of the sky-is-falling-brigade but if they take boxsets off the shelves, discontinue them, and put new sigmarines on the shelf instead they are most definitely replacing them lol.

Not saying that is going to happen. And I hope not as I play Empire.

If worse comes to worse I could continue to use my old empire models as proxies for something but that only gets you so far. Try saying everything you said above to Squat players or Dogs of War players lol

Anyway I am hoping the Empire will stay largely intact and move into the Imperial Guard role of the new setting. They'll probably get new models that deviate more from historicals than they already do, and I'm all for that. I have enough spare bits to make a smooth transition :-)