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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Super interesting reading page after page of "OMG Sigmarmarines" "OMG not buying like GW cares" "OMG whining" - how is this not modded back to the actual news about this so people interested can read that and not the same regurgitated back and forth ?

All of the information will eventually be posted on the front page so you don't have to. If you are offended by a post then simply report it.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Super interesting reading page after page of "OMG Sigmarmarines" "OMG not buying like GW cares" "OMG whining" - how is this not modded back to the actual news about this so people interested can read that and not the same regurgitated back and forth ?

All of the information will eventually be posted on the front page so you don't have to. If you are offended by a post then simply report it.

He complains things aren't being modded enough. And in the same post, he attacks other posters because their opinions are different than his.

I really don't get these sort of posters.

Some people just aren't happy unless they're complaining about other people complaining about not being happy.

Gotta say... I just did an inventory of my WFB 6/7th edition stuff.

For ME, this was the high-water mark of Warhammer.

Heroes good, not GREAT.
Grunts won or lost the battle
Magic *could* win a battle, but not without some other factoring.
Tactics and positioning VERY important.

So, yes I am old.
And yes, I am not the target audience, but I think GW just sold it's soul, but it seems like desperation time at GW.

The only interest I have in AoS is if it has ANY playability as Realm of Chaos Warbands.

Yes.... old.

Fun to read the speculation from the youngsters though.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Man. It looks like they've chosen to completely abandon the 30-year old aesthetic that made Warhammer such a unique universe.

Warhammer is now Flash Gordon shoved through a He-Man filter.

Barf.

Warhammer battle was the epitome of generic and boring fantasy, there was nothing unique in it, as far as high fantasy goes, there is other games that does it, better and cheaper.

Warhammer battle had nothing unique.

Aside from a vast base of players, making finding pick-up games simple and easy.

The alternatives all required making an appointment... assuming you could find someone who'd even heard of it before and was willing to give it a shot.

Well, now you'll have a vast base of AOS players, making finding games of AoS simple and easy.

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RacerX wrote:
Gotta say... I just did an inventory of my WFB 6/7th edition stuff.

For ME, this was the high-water mark of Warhammer.

Heroes good, not GREAT.
Grunts won or lost the battle
Magic *could* win a battle, but not without some other factoring.
Tactics and positioning VERY important.

So, yes I am old.
And yes, I am not the target audience, but I think GW just sold it's soul, but it seems like desperation time at GW.

The only interest I have in AoS is if it has ANY playability as Realm of Chaos Warbands.

Yes.... old.

Fun to read the speculation from the youngsters though.

The problem, though, is that people like you (and me, someone with a passing interest but not burning paasion) collectively weren't spending enough money to sustain it.

 adamsouza wrote:
Well, now you'll have a vast base of AOS players, making finding games of AoS simple and easy.

Be prepared for half to three-fourths of all AOS games having at least one player playing Sigmarites, while the rest of the armies are old WHFB models converted over to the new game.

 Accolade wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Well, now you'll have a vast base of AOS players, making finding games of AoS simple and easy.

Be prepared for half to three-fourths of all AOS games having at least one player playing Sigmarites, while the rest of the armies are old WHFB models converted over to the new game.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

BTW is your local meta swarmed with Dark Angels, Chaos Marine, Skaven, and High Elves players ? Mine isn't.

The truth is marines are popular and many people like them so the idea of trying to get Marine players to switch over isn't a tough one. I suppose if more people played WFB they probably wouldn't have had to restructure it so much to begin with.

adamsouza wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Well, now you'll have a vast base of AOS players, making finding games of AoS simple and easy.

Be prepared for half to three-fourths of all AOS games having at least one player playing Sigmarites, while the rest of the armies are old WHFB models converted over to the new game.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

BTW is your local meta swarmed with Dark Angels, Chaos Marine, Skaven, and High Elves players ? Mine isn't.

Typically, it's just masses of Space Marines, often following whatever the current trend that army has going (i.e. Salamanders, White Scars, etc. etc.). A significant percentage of games are Imperial armies fighting against each other.

Ahtman wrote:The truth is marines are popular and many people like them so the idea of trying to get Marine players to switch over isn't a tough one. I suppose if more people played WFB they probably wouldn't have had to restructure it so much to begin with.

Certainly, but I think there was more hurting WHFB than just not having Space Marines. I think it's the same issues that have been hurting 40k as well- an extremely high upfront cost with no lead-in games (thereby preventing new players from joining) and an ungainly and often overcomplicated ruleset. WHFB just didn't seem to have that army that screamed "buy me!" to so many people, and of course it was more generic overall.

I have hope that WH-AOS might help alleviate two of those issues, but the hints that the game will be going right back to massive scale battles when 9th hits post-AOS have me worried. Of course, I suppose if WHFB doesn't do well after all of this, it will probably just hit the chopping block. Like all of the Specialist Games that came before it.

I wish it was Slaanesh and not Khorne in the box...

And that there will be rules for Nagash & Co from the get-go!


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Nagash hates Chaos and fight for a new world order. A very strict order and rather morbid, but still a order out of Chaos!

 Sikil wrote:
Nagash hates Chaos and fight for a new world order. A very strict order and rather morbid, but still a order out of Chaos!

I've eagery awaited Nagash's return and the reunification of the undead factions back unto his cold icy grip.

I hated that Vampire Counts and Mummies superceeded Necromancers at the head of undead armies. The rumors of them benig recombined in AoS are rumors that have me most excited about it.

Maaan, those models are purdy. If the price is right I might just get the set for the models themselves and use Dragon's Rampart as the rules. Any rumor about how much the box will cost?

 SJM wrote:
Anyone else think the "Warhammer Age of Sigmar" logo is very dated? Looks like something from the 90s.

Why not? People are just about done rehashing the 80's, time to start back in on the 90's.


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For me, I think the thing that will make or break my purchase of this box is how easy it will be to remove all the Khorne iconography. I have both Empire and Chaos Warriors, but my Chaos army is all Tzeentch. If it's just some head swaps to get rid of helmets, done deal. I can even shave off icons if need be. But if it's too intricate, that might be a turn-off.

 Accolade wrote:
Certainly, but I think there was more hurting WHFB than just not having Space Marines

I didn't say the Marines hurt the game, just that having a similar aesthetic would probably create more cross-over players.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Certainly, but I think there was more hurting WHFB than just not having Space Marines

I didn't say the Marines hurt the game, just that having a similar aesthetic would probably create more cross-over players.

No we agree on that, I was just more responding to what you said about GW having to do this because not enough people were playing WHFB. I don't think they really got to the crux of the issue of why WHFB wasn't doing well. These Sigmarines may do well, but if the game isn't taken care of, then I doubt it will be able to survive. And in that regard, WHFB will have died with GW not understanding why. Lack of market research and such.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Surprised nobody is commenting on that photoshopped image of a silver paintjob instead of gold. They look MUCH better that way, and don't look a thing like Sang Guard. Once again, models suffer out the gate from "GW painting team is now comprised of colorblind idiots".

Better? Yes. Still Space Marine(TM) proportions? Also yes.

In the '80s Warhammer (Fantasy (Battles)) was just British AD&D with an extra helping of Moorcock. Now there are at least three companies that make alternate WHFB minis. I'm guess the new style direction is to help them not have to compete against generic fantasy miniatures meant for their rules.

Now show me the new elves!

Going on record to say I love the new logo. Only thing about this release I actually like.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Sikil wrote:
Nagash hates Chaos and fight for a new world order. A very strict order and rather morbid, but still a order out of Chaos!

I've eagery awaited Nagash's return and the reunification of the undead factions back unto his cold icy grip.

I hated that Vampire Counts and Mummies superceeded Necromancers at the head of undead armies. The rumors of them benig recombined in AoS are rumors that have me most excited about it.

Remember a couple Armybook ago you could run your VC army with no vampires, just lead by a Master necromancer and his acolytes? I miss those days, the Reign of the Puppet Master came to a sad end when that book went away.

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
People could complain about anything, I swear.

These models look fantastic, and like someone had mentioned earlier, just because someone is wearing full plate does not make them look automatically like spacemarines. Fantasy is a completely over arching theme of creativity, and from what I see here in this release, I can say that the dark, grim, look of these models looks very unique.

No, full plate armor does NOT make them look automatically like Space Marines(TM). Boots, gauntlets, and shoulder plates bigger than the helmet makes them automatically look like Space Marines(TM), because that's the whole Space Marine(TM) aesthetic!

 Vulcan wrote:

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
People could complain about anything, I swear.

These models look fantastic, and like someone had mentioned earlier, just because someone is wearing full plate does not make them look automatically like spacemarines. Fantasy is a completely over arching theme of creativity, and from what I see here in this release, I can say that the dark, grim, look of these models looks very unique.

No, full plate armor does NOT make them look automatically like Space Marines(TM). Boots, gauntlets, and shoulder plates bigger than the helmet makes them automatically look like Space Marines(TM), because that's the whole Space Marine(TM) aesthetic!

Plus the Chaplain in the back adorned with bones and a skull helmet.

Puts on conspiracy hat: perhaps part of the reason we haven't yet seen Mk. I Space Marine armor was because these thunder Warriors were in the works?

So it looks like the first page has some pictures up, and I flipped back through to about page 90. But are there any rumors out about the rules or what type of game this is going to be?

Is this just a standalone "board" game or is this the start of 9th edition?

Does the chaos lord have a leashed Flesh Hound? Its not its typical color, but it looks like one.

Plastic Flesh Hounds pls!

 nels1031 wrote:
Does the chaos lord have a leashed Flesh Hound? Its not its typical color, but it looks like one.

Plastic Flesh Hounds pls!

Yeah I think he does.

He definitely does. Hopefully, they will release plastic flesh hounds soon, as the current ones are simply atrocious, and are incredibly expensive.. I doubt it though, since if GW had made plastic flesh hounds, they probably would have released them with the Bloodthirster

 streetsamurai wrote:
He definitely does. Hopefully, they will release plastic flesh hounds soon, as the current ones are simply atrocious, and are incredibly expensive.. I doubt it though, since if GW had made plastic flesh hounds, they probably would have released them with the Bloodthirster

Well Darnok is saying no 40k till October, so that likely means one month roughly for the three factions: Sigmarines, Warriors of Khorne, and Skaven. Suspect plastic Flesh Hounds will be in there. Given most the Chaos models in the Dark Vengeance box never saw single releases till much later, I suspect this will be the same.

*edit* Grey Seer Kwokka over at Warseer claims he was show the price by one the GW employees in Australia, $200AU. That either means $140 US or the Emu Overlords of Australia are demanding more tithes.

Looks interesting. Not sure if I'll actually play it, but I'm sure I'll pick up a box or two for the models. They do look very reminiscent of Space Marines, and I'm sure that's no accident. It looks like I'll have both my Basiliean Elohi for KoW as well as possibly some Adeptus Custodes for 40k.