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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is the rumour still the set costing about $200 AU? Guess its a good thing I havent spent anything on models these past 2 months. Cant wait to binge on it

So if the Sigmarites were the size of mortal humans then people would stop calling them space marines? Reduce the size and they are just knights in gold armour, these guys are Sigmar's home boys, people would be calling them too weak looking to be god soldiers if they were puny.

No. People would start calling them short space marines.
Space Marines are not space marines because they are huge. They are Space Marines, model wise, because they have huge armor.
The lore does not matter. What matters are the model aesthetics.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is the rumour still the set costing about $200 AU? Guess its a good thing I havent spent anything on models these past 2 months. Cant wait to binge on it

So if the Sigmarites were the size of mortal humans then people would stop calling them space marines? Reduce the size and they are just knights in gold armour, these guys are Sigmar's home boys, people would be calling them too weak looking to be god soldiers if they were puny.

Puny you say?

Real WFB may want to have a word with you.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
The truth is marines are popular and many people like them so the idea of trying to get Marine players to switch over isn't a tough one. I suppose if more people played WFB they probably wouldn't have had to restructure it so much to begin with.

The flaw to this logic is... why would you want 40k players to switch to WHFB?

Surely you're looking for NEW gamers, not existing gamers to spend less on 40k and more on WHFB, lol.

Just think of how many new gamers have been pulled into 40K because of SM.

Oh it's the new Nipplehammer.

I also see Khorne appreciates the value of shin armour, if nothing else.

I know its a bit hard to see from these images but they look like more of the same as those khorne "end times" models which I think look stupid, I'll hold off judgement on the AoS khorne until I see better images, there is something about the musculature of the front unit that looks wrong.

Also why the hell Khorne? It seems rather unimaginative from them by now and wouldn't undivided have been better?

I can pass over the "Sigmarines" as I think I might understand what they were going for, giant ankles, but their armour looks more like the plastic chaos lord with a spear than space marines.

 gorgon wrote:

Just think of how many new gamers have been pulled into 40K because of SM.

Evidently not enough.

 Da Boss wrote:
I think this thread is a great example of how GW's terrible information policy creates a negative feeling in the community. Instead of buzz we have people worried about the implications of this leak, others arguing that they should not worry, and then arguments stemming from that. Instead of hearing about what people are planning to do with the new models and their ideas about the new rules, all we are hearing is people worried about what they might be. So we are shut off from the best part of the community- other hobbyists ideas and creativity. Instead we have a fairly acrimonious discussion.

Have yourself an exalt for this Sir. I was talking to another member via Pm about other upcoming boxed releases such as the new Halo space ship game, months in advance we knew the release date, contents and had a sneak preview of the rules. So you could plan ahead, budget and get even more of a buzz about the game going. It is a shame that the same cannot be said for AOS but it is just not the way that GW do things any more.

Well, supposedly I get answers tomorrow.

Price, contents, etc And 'answers to all questions'.

Then I get to decide whether its a weekend long party and ordering in a 100 copies, or focusing on the Origins pre release and tossing two copies of a boardgame out for sale No information makes planning suck.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Vermis wrote:


It's not difficult. I'm not criticising the minis, or the new game (well, not yet), or people who like them; but there have been some snide remarks and criticisms of people who don't like them or think it's all too 40Kish, and want something else - as if it's somehow wrong-headed or not allowed. That's just not getting a free pass.

Yup, I don't dislike the Sigmarines; it's just they have no place in my WHFB.

Thing is, they may turn out to be great. Remember the whole kerfuffle when Tau were released and how they were resented by some 40k players due to not being covered in skulls? But we is just irrational haterz, right?

Is it OK to still think Tau, regardless of the merits of any particular model considered in isolation, don't fit right with 40K if you've held that view consistently since the beginning? Indeed, held it for so long now that the irrational hate has twisted you into a creature of eternal spite, with nothing to sustain you bar the bile in your veins and the black, ossified lump of once-flesh that is your heart?

Worse, I think that the Tau are a perfectly acceptable army.

For a completely different game.

Yeah... the Tau do feel tacked on.

But I think that if and when Dreamforge has their own rules....

The Auld Grump

 NAVARRO wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is the rumour still the set costing about $200 AU? Guess its a good thing I havent spent anything on models these past 2 months. Cant wait to binge on it

So if the Sigmarites were the size of mortal humans then people would stop calling them space marines? Reduce the size and they are just knights in gold armour, these guys are Sigmar's home boys, people would be calling them too weak looking to be god soldiers if they were puny.

Puny you say?

Real WFB may want to have a word with you.

Spoiler:

That model and its unmounted version is pretty tiny actually.

 mikhaila wrote:
Well, supposedly I get answers tomorrow.

Price, contents, etc And 'answers to all questions'.

Then I get to decide whether its a weekend long party and ordering in a 100 copies, or focusing on the Origins pre release and tossing two copies of a boardgame out for sale No information makes planning suck.

You had me at answers.

 mikhaila wrote:
Well, supposedly I get answers tomorrow.

Patiently waits for tomorrow

 nels1031 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is the rumour still the set costing about $200 AU? Guess its a good thing I havent spent anything on models these past 2 months. Cant wait to binge on it

So if the Sigmarites were the size of mortal humans then people would stop calling them space marines? Reduce the size and they are just knights in gold armour, these guys are Sigmar's home boys, people would be calling them too weak looking to be god soldiers if they were puny.

Puny you say?

Real WFB may want to have a word with you.

Spoiler:

That model and its unmounted version is pretty tiny actually.

Not sure if missing point intentionally for humour or if serious.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I think this thread is a great example of how GW's terrible information policy creates a negative feeling in the community. Instead of buzz we have people worried about the implications of this leak, others arguing that they should not worry, and then arguments stemming from that. Instead of hearing about what people are planning to do with the new models and their ideas about the new rules, all we are hearing is people worried about what they might be. So we are shut off from the best part of the community- other hobbyists ideas and creativity. Instead we have a fairly acrimonious discussion.

Have yourself an exalt for this Sir. I was talking to another member via Pm about other upcoming boxed releases such as the new Halo space ship game, months in advance we knew the release date, contents and had a sneak preview of the rules. So you could plan ahead, budget and get even more of a buzz about the game going. It is a shame that the same cannot be said for AOS but it is just not the way that GW do things any more.

See the opposite is true too. If a game is coming out and the info you have makes it look dumb, you have more time to talk yourself out of it. So basically I am saying they have no confidence in their product except for its look.

Gotta love the weapons variety for those sigmarines. You can choose between a hammer, hammer and shield, two hammers, or a big hammer

So basically, its WFB 5e aka HeroHammer al over again? At least thats what I took away from it.

I wasn't around for Herohammer, what was it like?

Maybe they use alot of nails?

 obleeke wrote:
Gotta love the weapons variety for those sigmarines. You can choose between a hammer, hammer and shield, two hammers, or a big hammer

Surely you mean Sigmarian Hurricane Hammers and Sigmaritarian Lightning Shields of Stormy Electrocution.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 obleeke wrote:
Gotta love the weapons variety for those sigmarines. You can choose between a hammer, hammer and shield, two hammers, or a big hammer

Surely you mean Sigmarian Hurricane Hammers and Sigmaritarian Lightning Shields of Stormy Electrocution.

+1 hammer of hammering.
Can cast hammertime.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So basically, its WFB 5e aka HeroHammer al over again? At least thats what I took away from it.

I wasn't around for Herohammer, what was it like?

It wasn't unlike the possibilities that you could do during "End Times: Archaon".

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 obleeke wrote:
Gotta love the weapons variety for those sigmarines. You can choose between a hammer, hammer and shield, two hammers, or a big hammer

Surely you mean Sigmarian Hurricane Hammers and Sigmaritarian Lightning Shields of Stormy Electrocution.

+1 hammer of hammering.
Can cast hammertime.

5th Ed - HeroHammer
6th Ed - CavalryHammer
7th Ed - BlockHammer
8th Ed - HeroHammer
9th Ed - HammerHammer

I would have gone with..

7th Ed - Demonhammer

@death by monkeys
8th edition is more SteadfastHammer

Wonderwolf wrote:

 obleeke wrote:
Gotta love the weapons variety for those sigmarines. You can choose between a hammer, hammer and shield, two hammers, or a big hammer

Surely you mean Sigmarian Hurricane Hammers and Sigmaritarian Lightning Shields of Stormy Electrocution.

I think you'll find they're Storm Hammers and Thunder Shields!

Yeah, yeah, yeah we get it--they look like Marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah we get it--they look like Marines.

Yeah, yeah, yeah we get it--they're super great.

What you talking bout Kan? Storm Hammers are a completely original concept created by the GW design studio with no outside influences whatsoever

At the risk of scaremongering, I really don't like the look of this latest leak.

The biggest fear I've always had for 9th is that it would essentially be "40k with bows and arrows". The transition to round bases, the introduction of space marine-esque models (however nice) and the introduction of what looks very similar to jump/jet pack infantry (top of first picture), only helps to grow these fears.

I'll be happy if there's a mode where I can still use my hundreds of square-based models in larger battles, even if it's a ruleset where I have to house rule to scale it up,or where the battles are slightly smaller.

This, however, just looks like 40k, and that doesn't surprise me, really, considering how this release is supposed to be bringing new people into the game. I think we can wave goodbye to charge arcs, reforms and a movement phase that is different and far more tactical than 40k, and say hello to a style that is very similar, if not identical, to the run/shoot/assault of 40k.

 The Shadow wrote:
At the risk of scaremongering, I really don't like the look of this latest leak.

The biggest fear I've always had for 9th is that it would essentially be "40k with bows and arrows". The transition to round bases, the introduction of space marine-esque models (however nice) and the introduction of what looks very similar to jump/jet pack infantry (top of first picture), only helps to grow these fears.

I'll be happy if there's a mode where I can still use my hundreds of square-based models in larger battles, even if it's a ruleset where I have to house rule to scale it up,or where the battles are slightly smaller.

This, however, just looks like 40k, and that doesn't surprise me, really, considering how this release is supposed to be bringing new people into the game. I think we can wave goodbye to charge arcs, reforms and a movement phase that is different and far more tactical than 40k, and say hello to a style that is very similar, if not identical, to the run/shoot/assault of 40k.

Agreed.

I don't see how you could incorporate AoS into a scaled up mass battle game. AoS has Sigmarite forces in units of 3 or 5 models all on (32mm?) round bases. If the units start that small it would be a big investment to buy enough unit boxes to create a large army. The Khorne force does have marauders in 10 man squads so at least those units are bigger but I don't see how you'd incorporate the new models on round bases with blocks of existing marauders on square bases. Sure its not impossible but it strikes me that making hobbyists do the extra work to meld existing army core troops with the new version is GWs not so subtle way to push everyone into starting over again.

Now that we've seen Blight Kings, Wrathmonhers, Rat Ogres, Chaos Warriors, and Sigmarite released in units of 3-5 models I think that's a pretty clear indication that GW wants to build the game around small units of large models (along with heroes, monsters and monstrous cav). Given that trend I think GW will still set up 9ed to handle mass battles but those battles will be fought with armies made up of much smaller model count units than previous editions.

 mikhaila wrote:
Well, supposedly I get answers tomorrow.

Price, contents, etc And 'answers to all questions'.

Then I get to decide whether its a weekend long party and ordering in a 100 copies, or focusing on the Origins pre release and tossing two copies of a boardgame out for sale No information makes planning suck.

It astounds me they're trying to put this release up against a MtG set prerelease. We're certainly not going to try to run a GW event for fantasy on that day, Magic dominates Way to hard.

 AduroT wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
Well, supposedly I get answers tomorrow.

Price, contents, etc And 'answers to all questions'.

Then I get to decide whether its a weekend long party and ordering in a 100 copies, or focusing on the Origins pre release and tossing two copies of a boardgame out for sale No information makes planning suck.

It astounds me they're trying to put this release up against a MtG set prerelease. We're certainly not going to try to run a GW event for fantasy on that day, Magic dominates Way to hard.

Noone at my store cares about MtG, I doubt many even know what it is. I don't think they're trying to pit it against anything, they just happen to fall on the same day. We're having an event for AoS ironically.