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I'm actually pretty open to trying this out now I know the rules and unit cards are going to be available for free. Welcome to the 21st century, GW!

Not going to complain about that- it's very good news. I've got multiple Fantasy armies fully painted, so there is no cost to me for trying it out.

Curious to see what's coming now. Definitely won't be selling my stuff. A streamlined, KOW-like skirmish game with the unit-depth of WFB could be pretty cool, if there is any kind of balance to it.

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the stat cards add the depth people are looking for. Right now, it looks pretty simple and easy to use. I kind of like that idea. Simple rules system with complexity added by units.

I've been banging that drum for the last 3 pages!!

We're missing jigsaw pieces here. Wait til Saturday. Drink alcohol to get through the week.

Yes, magic could be basic, but for all we know, the wizard warscrolls could give you the following:

Jade wizard: if your jade wizard is next to a tree, and he rolls two 6s for casting, his spell can't be dispelled.

Tzeentch wizard: for every other Tzeentch wizard within 6 inches, add one D6 to your casting pool.

and so on

I think the rules are basic for a reason: the warscroll rules/cards will add complexity and save the day...I hope

Anyway, what the hell do I care? I'm not even buying this anyway, even if it were the greatest game since chess was invented.

I've already spent my budget on Flames of War

I flipped back through, and though I confess I didn't read every page, I didn't see mention of the price.

Did everyone see the rumored price, of $125?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/age-of-sigmar-pricing-more-revealed.html

Also --

Well, if there's something GW does well... It's making their rules as complex as possible. So I don't think you have to worry on that count

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the stat cards add the depth people are looking for. Right now, it looks pretty simple and easy to use. I kind of like that idea. Simple rules system with complexity added by units.

I've been banging that drum for the last 3 pages!!

We're missing jigsaw pieces here. Wait til Saturday. Drink alcohol to get through the week.

Yes, magic could be basic, but for all we know, the wizard warscrolls could give you the following:

Jade wizard: if your jade wizard is next to a tree, and he rolls two 6s for casting, his spell can't be dispelled.

Tzeentch wizard: for every other Tzeentch wizard within 6 inches, add one D6 to your casting pool.

and so on

I think the rules are basic for a reason: the warscroll rules/cards will add complexity and save the day...I hope

Anyway, what the hell do I care? I'm not even buying this anyway, even if it were the greatest game since chess was invented.

I've already spent my budget on Flames of War

It would be easier to fix a warescroll than the BRB (though 4 page BRB )

 pretre wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
I'm confused by the wording of the 'Mortal Wounds' rule; does that mean that when you have a model who does a Mortal Wound you just decide who you are attacking and remove the opposing model?

You allocate like normal. Look at the above wound allocation. i.e. the owner of the target unit assigns the wounds.

Ok that clears it up, thanks. So a 'Mortal Wound' auto hits and auto wounds and then that wound is allocated by the opposing player...

Also, I imagine if there are really no points, some group will come along to assign points to each scroll. Think of the balance! We could actually have balanced armies if GW isn't assigning the points.


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 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
I'm confused by the wording of the 'Mortal Wounds' rule; does that mean that when you have a model who does a Mortal Wound you just decide who you are attacking and remove the opposing model?

You allocate like normal. Look at the above wound allocation. i.e. the owner of the target unit assigns the wounds.

Ok that clears it up, thanks. So a 'Mortal Wound' auto hits and auto wounds and then that wound is allocated by the opposing player...

Looks like it from my preliminary look.

Looking at the photos, the 4 pages of rules could have been made into 8 nicer pages Or even 10, LOL.

 pretre wrote:
Also, I imagine if there are really no points, some group will come along to assign points to each scroll.

...which would also have the nice side effect of making this the most balanced GW game has ever made

The UK price is £75 (as one of my facebook model kit groups has had it offered to their distributor with that as the MSRP)

 Talys wrote:
Looking at the photos, the 4 pages of rules could have been made into 8 nicer pages Or even 10, LOL.

I think the idea was simplicity. Of course, this is the WD pics. The one in AOS could be nicer.

 Desubot wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm hoping the stat cards add the depth people are looking for. Right now, it looks pretty simple and easy to use. I kind of like that idea. Simple rules system with complexity added by units.

I've been banging that drum for the last 3 pages!!

We're missing jigsaw pieces here. Wait til Saturday. Drink alcohol to get through the week.

Yes, magic could be basic, but for all we know, the wizard warscrolls could give you the following:

Jade wizard: if your jade wizard is next to a tree, and he rolls two 6s for casting, his spell can't be dispelled.

Tzeentch wizard: for every other Tzeentch wizard within 6 inches, add one D6 to your casting pool.

and so on

I think the rules are basic for a reason: the warscroll rules/cards will add complexity and save the day...I hope

Anyway, what the hell do I care? I'm not even buying this anyway, even if it were the greatest game since chess was invented.

I've already spent my budget on Flames of War

It would be easier to fix a warescroll than the BRB (though 4 page BRB )

Don't underestimate a 4 page rulebook - have you ever had a bad papercut before?

Mymearan wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Also, I imagine if there are really no points, some group will come along to assign points to each scroll.

...which would also have the nice side effect of making this the most balanced GW game has ever made

I edited that in while you were posting.

One thing occurs to me with the whole warscrolls concept (and it's probably already been mentioned) is that this does open a much broader scope for limited edition unit releases.

"Skaven Assassins release - 10 per box - limited to 700 worldwide. Ensure that you place your orders for Skaven Assassins - Limited Edition Unit Box as soon as possible to avoid disappointment!"

I'm actually really liking what I'm seeing. A nice, simple rule set with it seems all the complexity coming from the units themselves. Can't wait!

 zedmeister wrote:
One thing occurs to me with the whole warscrolls concept (and it's probably already been mentioned) is that this does open a much broader scope for limited edition unit releases.

"Skaven Assassins release - 10 per box - limited to 700 worldwide. Ensure that you place your orders for Skaven Assassins - Limited Edition Unit Box as soon as possible to avoid disappointment!"

That was rumoured by someone.. can't remember who.. and it would be my only concern of note as well. Hopefully it won't happen, or at worst it won't happen to something I want.

I'm confused. What exactly is causing people to lose their minds here? Apart from the usual 'characters' doing their comedy routines.

 pretre wrote:
A lot of rumor mongers are going to take a big hit on this. Wow.

I'll help you out with what I posted before:

All current models stay valid: looks like a truth right now

Round bases were for display purposes, and we don't have to rebase: semi true, but probably leaning more towards false: seeing how round bases ARE now the norm, but we don't have to actually rebase. You can call that one however you'd like.

This Age of Sigmar box release is a board game, not the actual full game release: sounds like a false in my book.

So I'm fine with having a 1/1/1 across the board. I think I had one more thing but forgot what it was.

Well, there's nothing I dislike about those rules, at least about what's there, but I do have some concerns about what isn't. One thing I've always felt GW did well is detail, I liked the fact that each model mattered, and I'd hoped that this would actually build on that given the supposedly skirmishy nature. As it is, what we seem to have is almost KoW but without the tactical movement, depth or elegance. Warscrolls could add something back in, but I honestly don't see yet what this ruleset does that onepagehammer, KoW or LotR don't do better.

I don't mean to sound bitter or even disappointed, as this is all free anyway and it's not like we have to use it, but it just seems (at the moment, as I say warscrolls could change it all) that this is no 'better' than the kind of rules I'd write of an afternoon to use my airfix models in as a kid.

Hmm, so I saved £75 for AoS, but then decided not to get it but instead get the rule book.

Now the rule book is fully contained inside a WD????

Guess I have £75 to spend. Hmm....

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
One thing occurs to me with the whole warscrolls concept (and it's probably already been mentioned) is that this does open a much broader scope for limited edition unit releases.

"Skaven Assassins release - 10 per box - limited to 700 worldwide. Ensure that you place your orders for Skaven Assassins - Limited Edition Unit Box as soon as possible to avoid disappointment!"

That was rumoured by someone.. can't remember who.. and it would be my only concern of note as well. Hopefully it won't happen, or at worst it won't happen to something I want.

Its such Saturday morning cartoon plot that it must be true

The Division Of Joy wrote:
I'm confused. What exactly is causing people to lose their minds here? Apart from the usual 'characters' doing their comedy routines.

The 'no points costs - take what ever you like' interpretation of some of the leaks, though I will agree with others and say that it is too early to tell as we haven't seen any of these 'battlescrolls' yet.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
I'm confused. What exactly is causing people to lose their minds here? Apart from the usual 'characters' doing their comedy routines.

Well, I'm guessing most people who really enjoyed previous WHFB are upset to see the game go entirely into the archive.

EDIT: and as nudibranch said, the possible "Everything is unbound!", coupled with possible rumors of there not being any structure to how many units you can buy (aka just having a "gentlemen's agreement" on how many units to bring).

Not sure if the second one is definitely going to be the case, but the wording in the White Dwarf wasn't particularly clear.

 zedmeister wrote:
One thing occurs to me with the whole warscrolls concept (and it's probably already been mentioned) is that this does open a much broader scope for limited edition unit releases.

"Skaven Assassins release - 10 per box - limited to 700 worldwide. Ensure that you place your orders for Skaven Assassins - Limited Edition Unit Box as soon as possible to avoid disappointment!"

This, i remember a rumor to this effect awhile back and i could really see GW wetting themselves with joy at the mere thought of getting into this sorta of model. no excess stock, they fire off a run, charge a mucho premium price and then maybe in a year or something they squirt out another batch.

Really thus far i'm not impressed...at all, but the unit cards really could make the difference on this, if we are talking malifaux type unit cards that really contain some great interactions between units then we may have something playable here.

But...goodbye warhammer, its like i grew up playing this game, introduced tons of people to it have my kids playing it, my son has played for just shy of a decade himself now...

poof...

 Accolade wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
I'm confused. What exactly is causing people to lose their minds here? Apart from the usual 'characters' doing their comedy routines.

Well, I'm guessing most people who really enjoyed previous WHFB are upset to see the game go entirely into the archive.

EDIT: and as nudibranch said, the possible "Everything is unbound!", coupled with possible rumors of there not being any structure to how many units you can buy (aka just having a "gentlemen's agreement" on how many units to bring).

Not sure if the second one is definitely going to be the case, but the wording in the White Dwarf wasn't particularly clear.

Its understandable MOST people will be able to gentlemen their way through a time no issues, but we all know that one fether that will bring nothing but the strongest nonsense and just becomes un fun.

Also the have it your way unboundness makes the rules seem very VERY Lazy and cheap. personally

In case anyone is interested - rules screen shots - this link is to my YT vid, so fair warning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiXkK1T39HI


Links to PICS: http://s326.photobucket.com/user/Mc1gamer/library/Rules%20Leaks%20for%20Age%20of%20Sigmar?sort=3&page=1

Very interesting rules - I'd be fine with all of it just so long as we get some sort of balancing points system with the unit war scrolls. What bothers me more is the "bring whatever models you want and use them". That really does stink - so what we can field high elves *and* dark elves in the same army. They freaking HATE each other? Or what else, empire and orcs in the same army? Just seems stupid. The thing I always liked about fantasy (and its the same with 40k) is that you collect a specific army - you build a theme and a colour scheme and its got a unity about it. But there was tactics in building an army - and list building is as much as part of fantasy as the actual game......

It appears the scrolls will allow for army selection. This was illustrated in a previous announcement. Check my channel if you want a rundown, but you can do a quick search and I'm sure its been posted all over.

 Bottle wrote:
Hmm, so I saved £75 for AoS, but then decided not to get it but instead get the rule book.

Now the rule book is fully contained inside a WD????

Guess I have £75 to spend. Hmm....

Get this! Honestly, best game I have played in ages, it's just such a well designed system.

http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/terminator-genisys/products/terminator-genisys-the-war-against-the-machines

I will bet my car, both my arms and legs, the soul of my first-born, that AoS isn't as well designed as that game.

Incidentally, is anyone familiar with the fun, but now dead game "Arcane Legions"? I ask because it was actually a very solid, mass-battles game, with some interesting mechanics... and its core rules were a six page document.

I just thought it felt like a relevant example of rules requiring less verbosity than we expect out of modern games, especially when special abilities can be spelled out in greater detail on supplemental materials like unit-cards.

I for one, am hyped by the sound of a lot of this... especially the "risk free" part where I can be playing, and thus really evaluating the rules within ten minutes of downloading them (the week after GW's destroyed servers come back online).