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 MLaw wrote:
The renaming (which I'm taking to be true but I don't recall seeing the actual confirmation) is beyond dumb. Miniatures are very visual. People don't care if it's called an Orc, an Ork, a Green Skin, a Marauder, an Orox, an Uruk Hai or whatever else.. If it looks like it's usable, it's usable.. Protecting a name is just a petty jab back at 3rd party that will do nothing to help them.

Shots of White Dwarf on page 1 'confirm' it.

 PLC wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 PLC wrote:
petre,

Can I get a "true" for the box contents/

plc

Umm. Sure, where's the link to where you posted before the release with the box contents?

Pg 113 of this thread

The leaks started on the 27th, so no, no TRUE for you. Your post was on the 28th and the box contents were already in the wild.

 Kirasu wrote:
Renaming everything simply for trademark purposes is pretty damn stupid when in the process you destroyed a game system and world that had serious brand recognition.

Well, it isn't a retcon just a jump in the story. The Warhammer World is past but it's not like it never existed. Renaming people, races and (new) nations after those time makes kind of sense background-wise.

And... they could always use the old WW for games or licenses. Not sure if they do, but they could.

Norsed wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
I have a feeling that within the wargaming community, 'competitive' has become such a loaded word that it only seems to refer to 'WAAC TFGs' for some people.

Quite possibly. That's certainly how I respond to the word competitive. Perhaps that is wrong of me.

On the other hand, the wargaming community now seems to think that narrative gaming is about making a story up about your army you've built for a tournament, explaining why the shoebox you've brought is actually a tank, or that it's about 'group therapy' or 'cuddling'.

Well that's the point, hyperbole for hyperbole.

Isn't it better to be called cuddlegamer than tfg or complete dick (as you called people bringing op lists)? Sound kind of sweet imo. Now I actualy think I have to up the name calling to match heh.

 plastictrees wrote:
Is it clearly written as Aelf somewhere? The Order blurb is blurry enough that it might be Aeelf or Aefl or Aell or Aetl or sigh.....

Azyrheim entry. Third paragraph.

Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Long ago in an ancient land,
I Kirby the Swirling master of profits,
Unleashed a terrible game!
But nobody dared oppose me!
So I spewed out a load of garbage where my word is law!,
now nobody will be able to undo Age of Kirby!

 Eldarain wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Is it clearly written as Aelf somewhere? The Order blurb is blurry enough that it might be Aeelf or Aefl or Aell or Aetl or sigh.....

Azyrheim entry. Third paragraph.

Azyrheim is the place that Sigmar rules from.

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Maybe WH-AOS will be a fad too then?

 Accolade wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Maybe WH-AOS will be a fad too then?

We can hope

 Accolade wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Can someone put up a list of new names vs old

my eyes are bleeding too heavily.

What I can derive so far...

Dwarves- Duardin
Dark Elves- Red Slayers? (not anywhere near positive on this one)
Lizardmen- Seraphon
Beastmen- Brayherd
Skaven- Still Skaven!
Vampire Counts- Deathmages?
Orcs- Orruks
Grots- Still Grots!
Ogres- Ogors

I'm assuming Elves will be renamed, just don't see them mentioned. Humans, well, maybe they'll be called "Kirbians"?

Cant be real, too dumb. I wait and see.

Ghazghull is giggling at his old world kin right now

"Ere ladz, wots an Orruk?"

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Pokemon? Oh I remember those. The brand only did $2billion in sales in 2014.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Can someone put up a list of new names vs old

my eyes are bleeding too heavily.

What I can derive so far...

Dwarves- Duardin
Dark Elves- Red Slayers? (not anywhere near positive on this one)
Lizardmen- Seraphon
Beastmen- Brayherd
Skaven- Still Skaven!
Vampire Counts- Deathmages?
Orcs- Orruks
Grots- Still Grots!
Ogres- Ogors

I'm assuming Elves will be renamed, just don't see them mentioned. Humans, well, maybe they'll be called "Kirbians"?

Cant be real, too dumb. I wait and see.

I didn't generate it out of thin air man, I pulled it right from the images of the WD!

 agnosto wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Is it clearly written as Aelf somewhere? The Order blurb is blurry enough that it might be Aeelf or Aefl or Aell or Aetl or sigh.....

Azyrheim entry. Third paragraph.

Azyrheim is the place that Sigmar rules from.

Yup. It mentions refugees heading there including Aelfs.

This is seriously one of those games you buy with your friend, play a few times, get bored and forget about it.

 MWHistorian wrote:
This is seriously one of those games you buy with your friend, play a few times, get bored and forget about it.

Bingo! Except the price point is a bit higher than most impulse buys...and the fact that those types of games don't generally require you to put together 40-something models and paint them.

Vampires are apparently - Soulblight Vampires.

Hopefully they do retain some of their previous character and style/s/Bloodlines......

No change of names on the GW site yet if it happening.

Wouldn't one of those link searching types have picked up "phantom" locations by now linking to these weird names?

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Not any Pokemon I know of, and I genuinely have caught them all...

Looks like a furry deviant artist with a thing for eevee goes by that name though, is that the confusion?

 agnosto wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
This is seriously one of those games you buy with your friend, play a few times, get bored and forget about it.

Bingo! Except the price point is a bit higher than most impulse buys...and the fact that those types of games don't generally require you to put together 40-something models and paint them.

Yeah, I feel like the set itself is decent. The models are pretty cool, but I feel the cost to the game itself is wayyyyyy to high.

 Accolade wrote:


I didn't generate it out of thin air man, I pulled it right from the images of the WD!

Vampires are mentioned in the sentence after the deathmages, so I guess it's not a synonyme.

 Accolade wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Can someone put up a list of new names vs old

my eyes are bleeding too heavily.

What I can derive so far...

Dwarves- Duardin
Dark Elves- Red Slayers? (not anywhere near positive on this one)
Lizardmen- Seraphon
Beastmen- Brayherd
Skaven- Still Skaven!
Vampire Counts- Deathmages?
Orcs- Orruks
Grots- Still Grots!
Ogres- Ogors

I'm assuming Elves will be renamed, just don't see them mentioned. Humans, well, maybe they'll be called "Kirbians"?

Red Slayers I think are more likely Dwarf Slayers....and 'regular' dwarfs are 'Gearhead Duardin.'

Vampire Counts are called 'Soulblight Vampires' and I assume the Necromancers are called 'Deathmages.'

I think goblins have now forever been changed to 'grots'....so now what are Night Goblins going to be called? 'Night Grots?' Forrest Goblins might be 'Deepwood Grots?'

I'm afraid to find out what the Elves ended up getting changed to...

 MWHistorian wrote:
Is that like Gundam and Gundanium alloy?

My brother's really into Gundam, and he told me that supposedly "gundanium" was only a thing in Gundam Wing, and people kinda groan about it like how we're all groaning about all this crap. And it was supposedly never mentioned again.

Not sure if that's true or not, but yeah.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hes the God, he can name his metal any name he damn well pleases.

The world is made of unobtanium!

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Cant be real, too dumb. I wait and see.

Oh crap, I forgot.

EVERYONE STOP! Stop your raging! You can't talk about any of it, because the game's not out yet! This is all rumor and conjecture until we've all got the box and the books in our hands and seen it with our own eyes. For all you know someone just made this gak up to troll you and you all look like a bunch of asses. Patience!

Wait until the game comes out and we know for really real that they changed all the names for no reason and came up with really goofy fluff. And even then don't be negative about it because I don't like it, and this is a GW forum so if you don't like GW why are you even here?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Vampires are apparently - Soulblight Vampires.

Hopefully they do retain some of their previous character and style/s/Bloodlines......

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurVampiresAreDifferent

JonWebb wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Not any Pokemon I know of, and I genuinely have caught them all...

Looks like a furry deviant artist with a thing for eevee goes by that name though, is that the confusion?

Indeed, I saw some... things when searching for the veracity of this.

 Accolade wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Can someone put up a list of new names vs old

my eyes are bleeding too heavily.

Spoiler:

What I can derive so far...

Dwarves- Duardin
Dark Elves- Red Slayers? (not anywhere near positive on this one)
Lizardmen- Seraphon
Beastmen- Brayherd
Skaven- Still Skaven!
Vampire Counts- Deathmages?
Orcs- Orruks
Grots- Still Grots!
Ogres- Ogors

I'm assuming Elves will be renamed, just don't see them mentioned. Humans, well, maybe they'll be called "Kirbians"?

To add to and clarify on this:
Order:
Sigmar and his Stormcast Eternals -new
Duardin - dwarfs
Red Slayers - regular humans: empire, bretonnia, etc. (not clear on this)
Aelf - combined elves: dark, high, and wood
Seraphon - lizardmen

Chaos:
Mortal followers (if a new name, not clear) - WoC
Bray herds (also not clear on if new name. I am inclined to say it will stay beastmen) - beastmen
Skaven/ratmen - skaven (duh)
Daemon hosts - DoC

Death:
Not specified, though there are some pretty "inspired" names included such as deathmages, deathrattlers, and dead walkers (cause those of course aren't anything related to zombies) - combination of VoC and Tomb Kings

Destruction:
Orruks - Orks
Grots - Goblins
Ogors - OK

So the gang's all here, unlike some rumors that said lizardmen and others would be fazed out (though I guess Bret is still unconfirmed). Seems to have a lot of options for Order (anyone else seeing the new IoM allies/battle-bros situation?) with 8 of the current factions available. Death seems to have the least, which makes me wonder if GW has something planned to add another sub-faction to it.

Of course everything that comes from me is pure speculation and definitely not an invitation for pretre to track

*Edited because I can't write English apparently*

Good points, Dryaktylus and Fango, I'll make those updates (missed the vampires the first time! )

EDIT: Nice summary, Freytag93!

 Kirasu wrote:
Renaming everything simply for trademark purposes is pretty damn stupid when in the process you destroyed a game system and world that had serious brand recognition.

Somehow I doubt that there would be a Total War: Warhammer if they had to use Age of Sigmar, Seraphons and Orruks. Trademarks don't mean jack when your product is a joke.

Totally agree, it is way beyond stupid. It's becoming a laughing stock at this stage.Wow, just wow

Elfs go from having High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves with some really nice fluff, lore etc to being called 'Aelfs'. Seriously that's nearer to Scandinavian naming constructs from a linguistic point of view.

Dwarfs also had a very solid background fluff and naming pattern like the Elves. Now they are the 'Duardim'; what are they? Dim Dwarves?

Goblins (Night Goblins, Forest Goblins) are now Grots. Hello 40K. So does that mean they are now Forest Grots and Night Grots?

Ogres - Ogors
Orcs - Orruks
Plain ridiculous and totally unnecessary

This is what you get when you don't do any sort of market research.
This isn't real is it? it's just some awful practical joke?

JonWebb wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Another funny. Seraphon is a Pokemon...that forgettable thing according to Kirby.

Not any Pokemon I know of, and I genuinely have caught them all...

Looks like a furry deviant artist with a thing for eevee goes by that name though, is that the confusion?

I think Seraphimon is a Digimon, actually. Could be what he's thinking of.

 MWHistorian wrote:
This is seriously one of those games you buy with your friend, play a few times, get bored and forget about it.

No, this is the kind of game you buy so you can use the models in another game.