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PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
And us veterans? We only spend money when either a) something new comes out for our army, which happens maybe once every 5 years, or b) when we decide to start an entirely new army. But how many times could we be relied upon to do that?

Over and over again, in a lot of cases.

I know a number of tournament gamers who start a new army for each year's tournament circuit. I know of a few others who will happily start a new army for each individual tournament. And then you have the vets like me, with 9 different 40K armies (and at least 3 or 4 more still in waiting to be assembled), 2 different WHFB armies, 5 Necromunda gangs, a gaggle of Inquisitor miniatures, and a whole slew of models bought just because I liked them.

Sure, left to their own devices, a lot of vets buy one army and play until they get bored. But if GW provide sufficient reason to keep buying, a lot of us will.

Those reasons have been dwindling, recently, precisely because GW shifted their focus away from crafting playable games.

another from /tg

oO...

 Xyxox wrote:
Is anybody else having flashbacks to Rackham and the debacle of Confrontation when they moved to Confrontation: Age of Ragnarok?

Yup.

GW definitely has a bit larger playerbase to start with, of course, larger exposure, and their own stores. I don't think AoS will be as massive a failure as C:AoR was, mainly because like a lot of major brands, GW has a subsection of folks who will buy anything they make, no matter how badly it sucks, no matter how expensive it gets. Those folks may not even bother being in places like this, where they are exposed to so much negativity.

From reading stuff here and elsewhere, there seems to be an idea that GW is going 'digital' with future releases when it comes to data. "No more books.".... well, because they might start selling PDFs from their own website, making 100% profit on the 'warscrolls' that don't come with the miniatures they sell.

See those cool 'Formations'... I mean, "Battalions" for the Celestial whatzzits, and the Chaos dudes? Perhaps those will come out via GW's website-only, for a modest fee ($4.99). So instead of buying army books - you buy 'chunks' for the faction(s) of your choosing, being nickle-and-dimed instead of popping out $50 for a book? This method also removes stores as 'middlemen' to whom GW sells stuff wholesale. Plus, the cost to produce drops dramatically when they no longer have to print and ship tons of paper/hardback books.

If there's one thing I have faith in GW about, it's that they -will- find some way to get their money out of you, the customer. The whole 'Free Warscrolls!" and 'Free Rules!" sounds great... but there's -gonna- be a catch. Somehow, someway. We just may not see it yet.

guru wrote:
another from /tg

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Cmon now! How is that not straight from a space marine codex FFS. That really does rub me the wrong way - gah.

What in the actual are they even doing?

I look away for a few years, come back and it's all gone to .

This feels like they are just grasping at all the things they think made 40k popular in the first place and trying to throw it in a fantasy-shaped blender. But... they really don't get why 40k ended up becoming a thing, so it all just seems like a bunch of insincere bull- .

And in the process we lose one of the most unique fantasy settings ever devised because it was hard to copyright.



This could have been a great way to re-invigorate WHFB and fix the buy-in factors that were killing it in the face of a wealth of easier to get in to games. Instead we get Sig-mahreens, Bloodsecrators, and... *ugh*

I thought the days of GW making me angry were over. But they just managed a new entry in the book of grudges.

I can't imagine a more bone-headed or tone-deaf move they could have made. I really should have just kept ignoring them.

guru wrote:
another from /tg

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I think I just threw up. A lot.
Now they're blatantly ripping off chapters, only they have these vague and meaningless histories in a poor attempt to give them a rich history and depth.
"Their reforging took place as the broken world span under a magical gloom."
What the heck is that supposed to mean? How is someone supposed to latch onto that and say "Yeah! I can totally relate to that. That's awesome!"

Edit. I like how the grey ones sound kind of like Grey Knights.

fidel wrote:


Cmon now! How is that not straight from a space marine codex FFS. That really does rub me the wrong way - gah.

Laughs, yeah, it is pretty straight forward 'fantasy space marines'.

I'm just wondering, are they bringing anything new to the table, or is everything just copy-pasted from 40k?

 MWHistorian wrote:

guru wrote:
another from /tg

oO...

I think I just threw up. A lot.
Now they're blatantly ripping off chapters, only they have these vague and meaningless histories in a poor attempt to give them a rich history and depth.
"Their reforging took place as the broken world span under a magical gloom."
What the heck is that supposed to mean? How is someone supposed to latch onto that and say "Yeah! I can totally relate to that. That's awesome!"

Edit. I like how the grey ones sound kind of like Grey Knights.

I don't mind them having different color schemes and chapter names so much. However those little descriptions are just awful to read...not inspiring at all.

guru wrote:
another from /tg

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Chapters of the Sig Marines. Nice.

GW will go to any lengths not to support Bloodbowl!! You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

 SJM wrote:
GW will go to any lengths not to support Bloodbowl!! You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Stormcast Eternals would amazing Blood Bowl Human Teams

Sigmarine Chapters?

Nope. They're Stormhosts. Totally Stormhosts. Conclusion: Stormhosts.


Oh and this:

"Their Reforging took place as the Broken World spun under a magical gloom."

What?

 MWHistorian wrote:

guru wrote:
another from /tg

oO...

I think I just threw up. A lot.
Now they're blatantly ripping off chapters, only they have these vague and meaningless histories in a poor attempt to give them a rich history and depth.
"Their reforging took place as the broken world span under a magical gloom."
What the heck is that supposed to mean? How is someone supposed to latch onto that and say "Yeah! I can totally relate to that. That's awesome!"

Edit. I like how the grey ones sound kind of like Grey Knights.

Oh yeah, because different sub-factions within an army is sooooo totally specific to Space Marines, and that hasn't been done in Fantasy EVER before.... certainly not in skaven, high elves, empire, etc.....
Seriously though, this is more of a pattern of Games Workshop as a whole rather than a cut and paste of "da spess mehreens."
And Fantasy isn't supposed to wholly relatable. Just look at most archetypal fantasy stories. You'll find plenty that's unrelatable. Like dragons. How the feth do you relate to dragons?
And the knights-being immune to spells thing is old. Like really old. Seriously.
Not to pick on you mate, but you sound new, and posteriorly pained. Just because you don't like it, or can't wrap your head around the idea, doesn't mean its bad. It means it's not for you.
I don't like apple pie. You don't see my screaming about how nasty it is and how it's a copy of blueberry pie. Voicing your opinion is one thing however, and i respect that you dislike the direction GW has gone with their Stormcast Eternals.

fidel wrote:

guru wrote:
another from /tg....

Cmon now! How is that not straight from a space marine codex FFS. That really does rub me the wrong way - gah.

You act like the Empire Army Books of the past didn't have Hearldry for the different knight factions and color schemes for the different provinces of the empire. Stop thinking everything is automatically related to space marines. People only see what they want to see.

 Coyote81 wrote:

fidel wrote:

guru wrote:
another from /tg....

Cmon now! How is that not straight from a space marine codex FFS. That really does rub me the wrong way - gah.

You act like the Empire Army Books of the past didn't have Hearldry for the different knight factions and color schemes for the different provinces of the empire. Stop thinking everything is automatically related to space marines. People only see what they want to see.

I don't recall any State Troops that were forged under a magical gloom. Maybe the Stirlanders?

If Sigmar just built these guys last week out of souls and Sigmarite™ how can they be renowned and have their own chapter histories?

Well... all we can do now is wait, and see what happens.

RacerX wrote:
Occams Razor.

Sometimes the obvious answer is all there is.

Warhammer slouching - had been for YEARS!

Release really nice starter set (Dwarf and Goblins)
Two COMPLETE (albiet smallish) armies of high quality.
A true stand-alone product.

Sales continue to tank.

Try again!
Release even NICER Starter set (Elves and Skaven).

Sales continue to tank.
No traction and community drying up.

Realize old players are majority.

Release tons of Really LARGE and NICE and expensive models.
Make BIG SCARY Nuclear Weapons in Warhammer to attract power hungry younger gamers who just want to win.

Sales continue to tank.


Throw in the towel and REBOOT!


Die a slow death, or roll the dice and take it into an entirely NEW direction and just MAYBE save the brand.

Why the hell not?? What is there to lose?

Except that they must have made the decision to destroy the Old World before they started the End Times, as the studio has a 2-year lead time from concept, so they didn't get a read on whether the big/large models and storyline advances worked (as in 'sold well') before they pulled the plug.

I enjoyed the End Times up until Archaon. I liked that the storyline was advancing, characters were being killed, new characters created (unfortunately most did not get models), but I genuinely didn't expect them to destroy the Old World and go with the weird Realms thing, even when rumours were pointing towards a new fantasy Space Marines army being introduced. Still very skeptical like a lot of vets.

Oldhammer is looking more and more appealing.

Philhelm wrote:
I don't recall any State Troops that were forged under a magical gloom. Maybe the Stirlanders?

I thought it was Altdorf.

I like that their paint schemes emulate Space Marines to a "T," down to the colored, insignia-laden over-sized shoulder pads.

Most armies have factions and whatnot, but let's not be naive people. These are Fantasy Space Marines, and Stormhosts are Fantasy Space Marine Chapters.

Neronoxx wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

guru wrote:
another from /tg

oO...

I think I just threw up. A lot.
Now they're blatantly ripping off chapters, only they have these vague and meaningless histories in a poor attempt to give them a rich history and depth.
"Their reforging took place as the broken world span under a magical gloom."
What the heck is that supposed to mean? How is someone supposed to latch onto that and say "Yeah! I can totally relate to that. That's awesome!"

Edit. I like how the grey ones sound kind of like Grey Knights.

Oh yeah, because different sub-factions within an army is sooooo totally specific to Space Marines, and that hasn't been done in Fantasy EVER before.... certainly not in skaven, high elves, empire, etc.....
Seriously though, this is more of a pattern of Games Workshop as a whole rather than a cut and paste of "da spess mehreens."
And Fantasy isn't supposed to wholly relatable. Just look at most archetypal fantasy stories. You'll find plenty that's unrelatable. Like dragons. How the feth do you relate to dragons?
And the knights-being immune to spells thing is old. Like really old. Seriously.
Not to pick on you mate, but you sound new, and posteriorly pained. Just because you don't like it, or can't wrap your head around the idea, doesn't mean its bad. It means it's not for you.
I don't like apple pie. You don't see my screaming about how nasty it is and how it's a copy of blueberry pie. Voicing your opinion is one thing however, and i respect that you dislike the direction GW has gone with their Stormcast Eternals.

New? I'm a 20+ year veteran. This is just one nail in the coffin of "Space Marines in faaaaaaantasy!!!"
By itself, not much. But side by side with the pics of different chapters and you'd see that even the way their colored resembles space marines. (Hint, look at the pauldrons.)
But really, it's those amateurish and vague descriptions of the chapters that really make it painful.

Can the Sigmarites take a Dreadnought and do their Landraiders have special variants?

I'm very sad none of these hint at a specific Stormhost that's made purely of White Wolf champions in honor of the (presumably deceased) god Sigmar himself worshiped above others whilst he was still mortal.

 MLaw wrote:
Can the Sigmarites take a Dreadnought and do their Landraiders have special variants?

Well, so far we do know that they have Chaplains, skull-helmet and all!

(This is not a joke)

the different color schemes look good...
i like it, especially the teal Celestial Vindicators...

of course, i just paint, so as happy as the new minis make me, i feel for you players who have been trying to wrap your heads around the rules for the last few days...
good luck!!!

cheers
jah

 Accolade wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Can the Sigmarites take a Dreadnought and do their Landraiders have special variants?

Well, so far we do know that they have Chaplains, skull-helmet and all!

(This is not a joke)

Somehow I'm surprised that they weren't called Angels of Sigmar or UltraSigmarites or somesuch.

Again.. I'm okay with them.. I'll probably use them for some RPG stuff or conversions but it really is pure lulz that they made fantasy Space Marines and didn't even try to hide it a little. I also think it's kinda sad that we're all hanging out here finding little things to flip out over

With the new creation rules and unclear future of Army books I wonder if there will still be people swapping the minis in the new box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh and this:

"Their Reforging took place as the Broken World spun under a magical gloom."

What?

I don't get the problem with this. Clearly, as the gloaming of the moon stole betwixt the blengent parralax, Sigmar smote asunder the revenant asturmine with a pungent manner, and amongst the reforged beans of the manifold Destinomotron the pools of novistation took hold.