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With the name changes and lack of organisation I am out. I have 4 3k point whfb armies and will be sticking to that. I am very sad to see a system that I have grown up with butchered so much.

I can understand them making a completely new system rules wise but the change in fluff and names is just too much GW must be the laughingstock of the industry these days


At least it sounds like most of the old units will be around for a while and GW even state that it's best to get them before they change the boxes to round bases lol

Everyone knocking on the chaos beast, calling it musclular yet flabby? You do realize there are actual people who are chubby with muscular arms called "Muscle Bears" ...right?

I mean, I wouldn't google the term at work if I were you, but it doesn't look completely horrible due to my experience in the Bear Community. lol.

I actually kinda like it, I kinda wanna get a couple of them to convert into other things. Since it uses the Bloodthrister Base, I could make some more Greater Daemons of Khorne just for some variety in my army. I mean, having 4 Bloodthirsters all looking the same would look goofy, amirite?

Then I want to convert them into Khornate Helbrutes, in my opinion, this is what the helbrute should've been, shouldn't have retconned my dreadnoughts GW... Either way, I like it, I like all the Chaos models in this box ONLY for 40K though. Sadly, I don't think I can condone the actual rules for the game.

 Kosake wrote:
Damn, the chaos models are quite nice. Even with those skulls poking out of the skin it still looks pretty good.

The Thunderwarriors 0k on the other hand just look derpy to me.

I'm on the same camp as well. Sigmarines look incredibly bland and featureless to me. If they had normal human proportions I might give them a pass, but at their size hiding their shortfalls becomes even more difficult.

I'm not 100% sure I'll buy into AoS, but if I ever do these will most certainly be sold/traded/cannibalized for parts.

As long as they give me some new Ork models to convert, we're cool.

I love the chaos brute. The skulls do nothing for me, but that's an easy fix and the rest of the model is very well done, with plenty of opportunity for cool conversions.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

Magnificent! He's great.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

Fantastic. Big fan of this model.

The Khorne side of this release is shaping up really nicely. Thanks for posting these!

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:

I agree with you 100%, sadly though, we're on Dakkadakka, where the majority of rumormongers and forum trolls dwell and feast upon any negativity that they can get.

Call me wishful, but I am with the other camp of retailers on this one...

There is going to be a balanced way to play this game.
They do not look like Space Marines.
There is still going to be a form of Warhammer Fantasy battles 9th coming.

I will wait until the release to make any further assumptions.

That's a bold move Cotton, directly attacking a community to put yourself in a higher position. Let's see how that plays out.

But in response...

1. So far all signs are pointing to 'Wat.' A balanced way would be great - but so far, from what we've seen there isn't much. Maybe the 'Scrolls' have fixed unit numbers and assume people will only play with units of X models? If so that's terrible and a snub to Fantasy for 6 editions. People often field different sized units and 8th sealed the deal with Horde options.

2. They look like bizarre hybrids of Space Marines and Cygnar. It's the aesthetic I'm getting with their oversized hands, feet and shoulders. GW 'CAN' do full armoured models that don't look like that. We've seen that with things like Reiksguard and Greatswords...why do they go to the Pizza Feet now? Plus the multi-coloured, super vague Orders? Really not helping the cause there. The layout of that art is out of place and certainly doesn't match old Bret or Empire heraldry.

3. Considering the army books have all disappeared, the White Dwarf states there will be PDF scrolls for everyone and all the WFB related shelf displays etc. have become AoS...no no no. this is our 9th edition. A dramatic new shakeup in format. One that looks sloppy, out of place and craps on 20+ years of lore and established aesthetics for the sake of trademarks. Name changes across the board, new visual aesthetics for the 'Empire' and whole new world lore. No, the sad truth is this is what we get.

GW lost sight of the fact that Warhammer wasn't generic fantasy. It had its own unique aesthetic in the way different races were portrayed and to be fair, the fact you weren't able to copyright the word Elf isn't something GW should have thrown a fit over. Especially when they had a strong enough case in the way their Elves were modelled, written up and designed to protect them in a court case. Pretty sure if someone made Noble Elves, dressed in similar style armour with Mithilmar armour from the island kingdom of Multhan GW could have gone to town.

Now it's just a desperate grab for trademarks that is ruining their reputation on its own.

Bloodsecrators indeed.


Now to clarify...

The aesthetics...if this was a standalone thing? I would be OK with it. The aesthetics are nice on their own. It's when you consider what these are meant to be meshing with that they break and become disjointed.

And considering there's no balanced way of playing most GW games anyway, the possibility of this being balanced doesn't sound realistic really. Especially with the evidence at hand.

They don't look like Space Marines the same way Clark Kent doesn't look like Superman. "But he has glasses and he doesn't have a cape! Surely he can't be Superman."

rollawaythestone wrote:
That big monster is triggering for trypophobes.

I just googled that and now I'm shivering with disgust. I HATE HATE HATE fething irregular holey surfaces... It's the grossest thing on earth. Jesus Christ.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

GW lost sight of the fact that Warhammer wasn't generic fantasy. It had its own unique aesthetic in the way different races were portrayed and to be fair, the fact you weren't able to copyright the word Elf isn't something GW should have thrown a fit over. Especially when they had a strong enough case in the way their Elves were modelled, written up and designed to protect them in a court case. Pretty sure if someone made Noble Elves, dressed in similar style armour with Mithilmar armour from the island kingdom of Multhan GW could have gone to town.

I thought we'd established with the CHS and Spots the Space Marine stuff that GW can't protect their IP for gak? I hate the new names and this AoS stuff looks like gak but complaining about this, when their old approach was to try and bully people for infringing on their non-protectable IP, is a bit of a weird one.

And yes, totally, they're transparently space marines for fantasy, that was clearly the idea there and going by this thread it's paid off... people love that gak. :(

 heartserenade wrote:

They don't look like Space Marines the same way Clark Kent doesn't look like Superman. "But he has glasses and he doesn't have a cape! Surely he can't be Superman."

Thank you for making me laugh at work.

I don't even get why GW had such a big thing over 'protecting their IP'. It's not like it actually made them any more money.


This game might be good....... But the way it destroys everything before it reminds me of Alien 3.

I think GW has learned a few hard lessons from their legal issues with Chapterhouse. Without condoning or condemning, they have to protect their IP.

As others have said, no-one's forcing anyone to play Age of Sigmar, if you're happy playing previous editions, then fine. Keep playing what you know and love. I for one, am pretty happy with this release, as I don't have to learn 2/300 pages of rules. My mantra is, KISS- Keep It Simple Stupid.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As others have said, no-one's forcing anyone to play Age of Sigmar, if you're happy playing previous editions, then fine. Keep playing what you know and love.

And as others have said, that doesn't generally work for pickup games, in the same way that I can't wander into my local FLGS and easily find a game of WH40k 2nd or BFG.

 Bull0 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

GW lost sight of the fact that Warhammer wasn't generic fantasy. It had its own unique aesthetic in the way different races were portrayed and to be fair, the fact you weren't able to copyright the word Elf isn't something GW should have thrown a fit over. Especially when they had a strong enough case in the way their Elves were modelled, written up and designed to protect them in a court case. Pretty sure if someone made Noble Elves, dressed in similar style armour with Mithilmar armour from the island kingdom of Multhan GW could have gone to town.

I thought we'd established with the CHS and Spots the Space Marine stuff that GW can't protect their IP for gak? I hate the new names and this AoS stuff looks like gak but complaining about this, when their old approach was to try and bully people for infringing on their non-protectable IP, is a bit of a weird one.

To be honest, the CHS and Spots the Space Marine stuff were GW trying to throw their weight around in a sloppy way. An incompetent legal team is not a valid reason to slaughter your oldest primary IP. And CHS reminds me that GW is terrified of the idea of 'open source' content, which is laughable as the strongest example of an open resource system (d20) saved the parent system from an untimely death and still persists to this day. Dungeons and Dragons would have died if D20 had not come to be. The fact they made the rules open resource allowed other companies to add and contribute and ultimately has kept the playerbase in the hobby as it were.

Ugh. This whole thing has me sad.

I started into this hobby some 15 years ago with Warhammer. The Lizardmen aesthetic is what pulled me in and the lore just added to it with its elements of Stargate, Mayan/Aztec/Inca and dinosaurs. But now? I dread the new warscrolls and lore. I dread what travesty there is going to be for them. Even the name puts me off. Seraphon! Ew. No. Seraphon sounds like it would work better with elves or even a holy order of knights...not Lizardmen.

I miss my Lizardman army. It's only been about a month since I sold it but I miss them. Ugh, rent is rent but really, I want my Lizards back for old times sake...not to play in this AoS gak...but instead to use for other things.

number9dream wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Apologies if this picture has already been posted but here is the Khorne Lord and his pet "Snuggles" im all of their glory:



And this thing:

i think i found the concept art for that thing







Tempted to convert the chaos lord into Saddam. ..

Maybe try to use some of this fellow as well?

 Bull0 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As others have said, no-one's forcing anyone to play Age of Sigmar, if you're happy playing previous editions, then fine. Keep playing what you know and love.

And as others have said, that doesn't generally work for pickup games, in the same way that I can't wander into my local FLGS and easily find a game of WH40k 2nd or BFG.

This.

Also, good luck going to officially supported tournaments or even unofficially supported ones. AoS is going to bleed over and replace because the latest edition of the rules is what most major tournaments run on. I don't see 2nd ed. Adepticon 40k events, do you?

That Chaos beast is awful.

It's enough to make a man vomit. I had to go and look up images of the Green Knight model, just to remind myself of the days when GW could do a sculpt.

God bless the Perry twins.

I like the new Lord.. very nice figure..

however I am going back to my default position.. I think KIrby is a massive fan of the film 'The Producers' and that's his long term goal.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As others have said, no-one's forcing anyone to play Age of Sigmar, if you're happy playing previous editions, then fine. Keep playing what you know and love.

And as others have said, that doesn't generally work for pickup games, in the same way that I can't wander into my local FLGS and easily find a game of WH40k 2nd or BFG.

This.

Also, good luck going to officially supported tournaments or even unofficially supported ones. AoS is going to bleed over and replace because the latest edition of the rules is what most major tournaments run on. I don't see 2nd ed. Adepticon 40k events, do you?

Being someone who doesn't give a monkey's about tournaments, it's not really a problem for me lol.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
That Chaos beast is awful.

It's enough to make a man vomit. I had to go and look up images of the Green Knight model, just to remind myself of the days when GW could do a sculpt.

God bless the Perry twins.

I heard once that the Green Knight was the last model Michael Perry sculpted with his right hand. It is a masterpiece.

MaxT wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
That Chaos beast is awful.

It's enough to make a man vomit. I had to go and look up images of the Green Knight model, just to remind myself of the days when GW could do a sculpt.

God bless the Perry twins.

I heard once that the Green Knight was the last model Michael Perry sculpted with his right hand. It is a masterpiece.

Agreed. I've been wanting to paint it for years, but I've always been put off by the fact that my average paint skills won't do a superb model, justice.

At any rate, can you still buy the Green Knight model? Would be ace if you could use it in AOS.

 Captain Blood wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:

They don't look like Space Marines the same way Clark Kent doesn't look like Superman. "But he has glasses and he doesn't have a cape! Surely he can't be Superman."

Thank you for making me laugh at work.

Glad to be of service. Are you the same Captain Blood in the Lead Adventure's forum? If so: I LOVE YOUR WORK. Just wanna say that.


Any clearer photos of the Chaos minions? I might use them as conversion fodder for various, non-GW things.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

MaxT wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
That Chaos beast is awful.

It's enough to make a man vomit. I had to go and look up images of the Green Knight model, just to remind myself of the days when GW could do a sculpt.

God bless the Perry twins.

I heard once that the Green Knight was the last model Michael Perry sculpted with his right hand. It is a masterpiece.

Agreed. I've been wanting to paint it for years, but I've always been put off by the fact that my average paint skills won't do a superb model, justice.

At any rate, can you still buy the Green Knight model? Would be ace if you could use it in AOS.

I'm looking for one as well. But only in metal. feth Finecast.

That model is a beauty. God bless the Perry twins indeed. (And this is why I buy from them instead of GW)

When is the release of the wd including the mini?

 tommse wrote:
When is the release of the wd including the mini?

Should be able to get one on Fri/Saturday.

The Chaos Beast indeed is ugly as **** ... and the positioning looks exactly like the Hellbrute

Daston wrote:
With the name changes and lack of organisation I am out. I have 4 3k point whfb armies and will be sticking to that. I am very sad to see a system that I have grown up with butchered so much.

I can understand them making a completely new system rules wise but the change in fluff and names is just too much GW must be the laughingstock of the industry these days


At least it sounds like most of the old units will be around for a while and GW even state that it's best to get them before they change the boxes to round bases lol

I also grew up with WFB. I've played it since 2nd edition.

However, I give a huge thumbs up to a company who's willing to hit the revamp button, and they did it well with End Times. It takes a huge set of brass balls to take one of your money makers and shake it up.

I'm very interested to see where this is going.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I think GW has learned a few hard lessons from their legal issues with Chapterhouse. Without condoning or condemning, they have to protect their IP.

If 'Orruks' and 'Ogors' are the result of those lessons, they weren't really paying attention to what was going on, though.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As others have said, no-one's forcing anyone to play Age of Sigmar, if you're happy playing previous editions, then fine. Keep playing what you know and love.

And as others have said, that doesn't generally work for pickup games, in the same way that I can't wander into my local FLGS and easily find a game of WH40k 2nd or BFG.

This.

Also, good luck going to officially supported tournaments or even unofficially supported ones. AoS is going to bleed over and replace because the latest edition of the rules is what most major tournaments run on. I don't see 2nd ed. Adepticon 40k events, do you?

Being someone who doesn't give a monkey's about tournaments, it's not really a problem for me lol.

That doesn't mean it isn't a problem for everyone though, and acting like 'it's fine you can just play old editions' even though it's been pointed out multiple times that that doesn't actually work for everyone just because it might work for you is a very selfish viewpoint.

I'll pay 5€ per Khornebeast. What can I say, I love Gorilla-ish things for Khorne.


And complaining about his skulls and ribcages (yes, he has those in the deltoids it seems) but nobody mentioned the RIDICULOUS skulls in the LORD's m. rectus abdominis?!

The skull-skin concept is actually neat, it works well on Creatute Caster's Not-Thirster. With less harsh transitions it probably work on the Khornebeast as well. On the Lord? God damn it, did he EAT them and has a torn Nurgle-belly? Can he even touch his toes with skulls in his gastro-intestinal tract? I doubt it.