Age of Sigmar - Slaanesh Replaced? plus big book, stormcast archers, dismounted celestan

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**Rayvon**

Bull0 wrote:
New terrain piece looks tasty. I don't want Age of Sigmar at all but every time I see one of those beautiful boxes my nostalgia gland goes into overdrive... resist... it's crap... resist...

Haha

I bet there's a fair few that rip it apart on here and then order a couple of copies as well !!

**NoggintheNog**

Bull0 wrote:
New terrain piece looks tasty. I don't want Age of Sigmar at all but every time I see one of those beautiful boxes my nostalgia gland goes into overdrive... resist... it's crap... resist...

That arch fits in well with my themed counts as blood angels, the angels of sparta. It may well find a home in the far future. The game is badly written dross, doesn't mean I can't pick out the good bits.

**migooo**

It's going to be cool for a Yuan ti themed d&d board.

**Azreal13**

NoggintheNog wrote:
gorgon wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
But this? One of the best parts of WHFB is that you didn't have that shining beacon faction. Even the "good" factions had their flaws. The Empire wasn't exactly a shining beacon, and even the Holier Than Most Brettonians had plenty of "we give 0 craps about peasants" to offset having a literal faith shield.

But that's a more adult sensibility, right? And even a lot of adults like more brightness and the concept of the "good guy." Meanwhile, you're trying to sell the game to kids.

This is something that I think some vet GW gamers have trouble accepting. GW games are for kids. We're playing kids' games. Maybe 40K is more adolescent in tone, but it's still sub-18. There's nothing wrong with enjoying kid stuff as your hobby, but I think you have to accept and own that, and with that comes some understanding when GW creates something that seems childish.

Along those lines, it's always perplexing to me how people can get bent out of shape about a single silly name or cartoony story when both Warhammer universes are so incredibly cheesy and over-the-top. It's a drop in an Olympic-sized pool.

This is not a game for kids.

A successful kids game has structure, an understandable framework to play in. This is just simpler in concept but with no structure at all, I have no idea who it is for. Warmahordes is a better game for kids to get to grips with, despite its complexity found in unit synergies, because it is well defined and easy to follow.

This.

Plus it is another symptom of the GW disconnect between who they think they're selling to and who actually buys their stuff. Do kids buy it? Sure, but some of those kids kept buying it, and are still buying it now, 30 years on in some cases. In many cases, without wanting to generalise too much, those kids were smart kids too, and they grew into smart adults, they can handle a little complexity.

**NoggintheNog**

migooo wrote:
It's going to be cool for a Yuan ti themed d&d board.

Isnt there a snakemen faction in that mierce miniatures game, perfect for that too.

**Xyxox**

pretre wrote:

In thread for simplicity.

I CALL FAKE! There are NO SKULLS in the cracks on that Realm of Battle board!!!!!!

**Accolade**

Rayvon wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
New terrain piece looks tasty. I don't want Age of Sigmar at all but every time I see one of those beautiful boxes my nostalgia gland goes into overdrive... resist... it's crap... resist...

Haha

I bet there's a fair few that rip it apart on here and then order a couple of copies as well !!

Ooooorrrrr people like certain parts of this release (multiple dimensions, dire universe, that arch kit), and hate other parts (Sigmarine concept, that big Khorne thingy, new rules?).

You know, not having to love or hate every aspect of the release in some sort of black-and-white fashion

**migooo**

NoggintheNog wrote:
migooo wrote:
It's going to be cool for a Yuan ti themed d&d board.

Isnt there a snakemen faction in that mierce miniatures game, perfect for that too.

aww yes!

i just checked it out oh my why did nobody tell me of this before.

**Manchu**

Accolade wrote:
people like certain parts of this release (multiple dimensions, dire universe, that arch kit)

The mulitple dimensions thing is really cool IMO. It allows the Fantasy world the kind of room that 40k has without the space empire setting. Very simple idea but it has so much potential.

**Bull0**

Manchu wrote:
Accolade wrote:
people like certain parts of this release (multiple dimensions, dire universe, that arch kit)
The mulitple dimensions thing is really cool IMO. It allows the Fantasy world the kind of room that 40k has without the space empire setting. Very simple idea but it has so much potential.

I think it'll make more sense once we see it in action and have some more reference - how much of the familiar has survived? Are there still human and dwarf settlements in the bubbleverse that are recognizably similar to their old world counterparts? What is the culture like? At the moment all we really know about the fluff is MAGIC DAEMONS ELEMENTALS HEROISM LIGHTNING GATES OF AZYR SIGMARITE

**MLaw**

Xyxox wrote:

Spoiler:

pretre wrote:

In thread for simplicity.

I CALL FAKE! There are NO SKULLS in the cracks on that Realm of Battle board!!!!!!

Those cost extra.. they're released as the "skulls for the skullgod insert" and are specially shaped to fit the board.. The plastic is also engineered to melt if it comes in contact with 3rd party products.

**ImAGeek**

Manchu wrote:
Accolade wrote:
people like certain parts of this release (multiple dimensions, dire universe, that arch kit)
The mulitple dimensions thing is really cool IMO. It allows the Fantasy world the kind of room that 40k has without the space empire setting. Very simple idea but it has so much potential.

I agree, it gives quite a bit more freedom.

I'm still considering ordering one of the boxes, I love the models, really not sure on the rules yet though so I haven't decided.

**Accolade**

Manchu wrote:
Accolade wrote:
people like certain parts of this release (multiple dimensions, dire universe, that arch kit)
The mulitple dimensions thing is really cool IMO. It allows the Fantasy world the kind of room that 40k has without the space empire setting. Very simple idea but it has so much potential.

Yeah, most of the stuff I mentioned happened to be the things I liked

It definitely gives a breadth of scope to create whatever you want in the same fashion as 40k. And, like you said, this will be something that benefits the game far more than other concepts- the sense of open creativity.

**Manchu**

We actually know a bit about that; yes there are settlements of the other races besieged by Chaos among the various realms of mortals. The Stormcast are heroes from these realms, gathered together by Sigmar. Azyr seems to basically be a sort of Valhalla where Sigmar has been assembling his Ragnarok army.

**DarkStarSabre**

Bull0 wrote:
New terrain piece looks tasty. I don't want Age of Sigmar at all but every time I see one of those beautiful boxes my nostalgia gland goes into overdrive... resist... it's crap... resist...

I have to say...yes...yes it does.

But not for GW purposes. It looks like it'll be nice for some thematic roleplaying setup.

**mikhaila**

Hopefully I have a package coming today with that sweet scenery piece and the ROB board, and a demo copy. Anxious to get painting on new models, and we'll try out a few games today.

And for those of you in the US, i tossed up a deal for Age of Sigmar box in swapshop. Sorry, can't ship it outside the US. It's 90 bucks to the east coast area, 95 to midwest, 100 to westcoast, I'm covering shipping.

**Riquende**

migooo wrote:
why did nobody tell me of this before.

There was a blood pact forbidding any of us from doing so.

**Kanluwen**

mikhaila wrote:
Hopefully I have a package coming today with that sweet scenery piece and the ROB board, and a demo copy. Anxious to get painting on new models, and we'll try out a few games today.

And for those of you in the US, i tossed up a deal for Age of Sigmar box in swapshop. Sorry, can't ship it outside the US. It's 90 bucks to the east coast area, 95 to midwest, 100 to westcoast, I'm covering shipping.

I can't wait to see that scenery piece all painted up in some more muted colors.

**Delicate Swarm**

Double post

**Rayvon**

**Norsed**

migooo wrote:

Position and how a unit faced was essential AOS supposedly removes this.in one way I can see the upside but it feels like half a game.

I lost Chaos Dwarfs, I lost Squats I'm loosing sisters and now all of warhammer

How will poison work or plague spells? , again I play second so really I don't care if 40k gets sigmarized.in the beginning when I started to read the rules I thought okay cool but to change so much so fast is not for me.

Maybe it has the same amount of tactical options that old warhammer has but I just don't see it.

Okay, so you can't flank people anymore. But historically that only really worked against hoplites and more recent conflicts. But position will still matter.

Yeah, you've lost them in the stores. But I still have and use my squats.

We don't know how poison or plague spells will work yet, you'll have to wait for the warscrolls to come out and find out.

Perhaps you are focusing too much on what AoS explicitly states you can do instead of looking at the rules and thinking about what you can do with them. No explicit rules for challenges? Nope, but you can do something similar. No rules for blocks? Nope, but operating your units in formation will have serious benefits.

**Hulksmash**

mikhaila wrote:
Hopefully I have a package coming today with that sweet scenery piece and the ROB board, and a demo copy. Anxious to get painting on new models, and we'll try out a few games today.

And for those of you in the US, i tossed up a deal for Age of Sigmar box in swapshop. Sorry, can't ship it outside the US. It's 90 bucks to the east coast area, 95 to midwest, 100 to westcoast, I'm covering shipping.

For that price I'm tempted just based on the models I'd like to get out of the box. Plus I kinda want the story book to see the new background for this game. I'm still super hopeful they'll release an actual rulebook for larger scale battles and some kind of balance mechanism. But for 25% off I think I'll grab a box set just for the models

**Accolade**

Rayvon wrote:
Accolade wrote:
Rayvon wrote:
Bull0 wrote:
New terrain piece looks tasty. I don't want Age of Sigmar at all but every time I see one of those beautiful boxes my nostalgia gland goes into overdrive... resist... it's crap... resist...

Haha

I bet there's a fair few that rip it apart on here and then order a couple of copies as well !!

Ooooorrrrr people like certain parts of this release (multiple dimensions, dire universe, that arch kit), and hate other parts (Sigmarine concept, that big Khorne thingy, new rules?).

You know, not having to love or hate every aspect of the release in some sort of black-and-white fashion

Those that like certain parts would not be the ones that i was referring to as ripping it apart then now would they ??

I just don't think your'e doing yourself any good by creating this internal narrative of evil gamers trying to undermine GW at every turn. This release is obviously going to be extremely polarizing, and so strong emotions will prevail.

I can only imagine what things would look like if they re-booted 40k

The forums would be torn asunder!

**Rayvon**

**MLaw**

I'm in the camp that likes some of this but isn't sold. I think GW is pulling a fast one too. I predict that this release is just that.. a release. An actual WHFB boxed set will be waiting but GW wouldn't say that because they want people to snatch this up. If we know there's an actual WHFB starter coming then why buy this ... thing?

Yeah that's probably wishful thinking but hey.. wait.. brb, I'm going to go buy an Island Of Blood in case I'm wrong..

**migooo**

Riquende wrote:
migooo wrote:
why did nobody tell me of this before.

There was a blood pact forbidding any of us from doing so.

I see how it is. " just you wait and see " - Bishop Breannan

**PhantomViper**

Norsed wrote:

Okay, so you can't flank people anymore. But historically that only really worked against hoplites and more recent conflicts. But position will still matter.

Flanking worked in every kind of armed human conflict from the time the first caveman picked up a stick to poke his neighbour in the eye as punishment for taking away its dinosaur up to modern days. If your opponents attention is focused elsewhere while you are attacking him your attack should be much more effective (not to mention that in gaming terms it adds tactical depth).

And since there are no LoS restrictions and you can kill models in melee that you aren't engaged with, how does position still matter?

**AlexHolker**

gorgon wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
But this? One of the best parts of WHFB is that you didn't have that shining beacon faction. Even the "good" factions had their flaws. The Empire wasn't exactly a shining beacon, and even the Holier Than Most Brettonians had plenty of "we give 0 craps about peasants" to offset having a literal faith shield.

But that's a more adult sensibility, right? And even a lot of adults like more brightness and the concept of the "good guy."

I'd call it a childish view of adult sensibilities. We all have flaws (except Dolph Lundgren, the black belt chemical engineer movie star) but we don't all have the same flaw of being an absolute bastard.

**Klerych**

streamdragon wrote:

But agnosto, they don't look anything like Space Marines!

DO YOU EVEN BLOOD ANGELS, SON? Sanguinary guard!

**Accolade**

Rayvon wrote:

Accolade wrote:

I just don't think your'e doing yourself any good by creating this internal narrative of evil gamers trying to undermine GW at every turn. This release is obviously going to be extremely polarizing, and so strong emotions will prevail.

I can only imagine what things would look like if they re-booted 40k The forums would be torn asunder!

So where am i creating this narrative then ???

I dont think you are doing yourself any good by assuming you know what I am thinking and then going all black and white like you told me not to do.

I am on no ones side,
I was simply saying that some people will claim to hate it and then go out and buy a few copies.

And where do you get your evidence that this is happening? I sincerely doubt that there is a group of people flagellating themselves and condemning WH-AOS as they buy it. It's the same as me saying there's a group of people who would literally buy boxes of dog gak if it had "GW" tacked on it- it's not reality.