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I know people are focused on the free warscrolls because they are the bit we have in our hands and what ties our old minis tot he new game.

here is the thing, those rules, to me, are a big red flag that you really are not supposed to use your old minis in this game, its just a troll on those who want to. (itself a poor choice when those being trolled are, you know, paying customers)

Having seen the size of the minis in the new boxset, none of them are the same scale as the old ones, the new chaos stuff would look ridiculous next to the existing ones. They are so big I don't even think the old style scenery (houses and so on, anything with a door) will look right. I suspect that moving forwards, everything will be the new scale, they look, to my eyes, clser to the 35mm scale of the fallen Frontiers game by Scale75 than they do to GW standard heroic we are used to.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
On the subject of silliness - have you played Magic - I remember plenty of coin tossing, chucking cards in the air and other fun before you even get to Unglued. Was that "just for kids"?

And there was a reason why WotC removed all the silly rules.

After my time - I remember it being fun......as this looks to be - but different strokes.

Personally more than in touch with my inner child....

Surprisingly a lot of people didn't like tearing up or tossing their valuable card collection. Or betting them against a friend. Weird, I know.

Also surprising is a lot of people don't like the idea of shouting and dancing in public spaces.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Embarrassing.

Completely and utterly embarrassing.



Dakka members: what is KOW? Talk to me, please. Because right now I'm all ears. I need something to get me away from this AOS cluster feth!!!

KOW is the mantic fantasy game. They are releasing the free rules for version 2.0 on July 10th. No it is not a coincidence, I've not played it, but I do know that it has been in beta a while with actual players involved in the testing and so on with direct input to mantic on how to make the game as good as it can be.
They also have official rules for 'other manufacturers armies' either in the pipeline or already on their website.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Embarrassing.

Completely and utterly embarrassing.

The company that gave us Space hulk, Necromunda, Mordheim, Epic 40k, BFG Blood Bowl et al has been reduced to people shouting the loudest across the table, as part of the rules

GW have well and truly burnt their bridges with me. Like Obi Wan Kenobi, I will remember Anakin Skywalker as the good, decent, brave, and honourable man, and not the evil machine he became.

That's how I feel right now. The game I loved for 25 years has been reduced to this cluster feth!!


I you love 40k, PLEASE DON'T BUY THIS GAME. I know some people will be tempted by the models, but if the models sell well, GW will think they're on to a winner with this approach and 40K will be next for the AOS treatment.


Dakka members: what is KOW? Talk to me, please. Because right now I'm all ears. I need something to get me away from this AOS cluster feth!!!

Ironically I would say the opposite - its going back to its roots in terms of the humour........they also gave us Paranoia IIRC?

Wow, the models do have to be seen in person, absolutely stunning.

After hearing the run down from staff, things are a bit clearer and I will give it a chance I suppose. Although it was a bit awkward as soon as the first person asked if there were any points or composition guidelines. The game is definitely advertised as a more relaxed game and opinions were mixed in the shop, everyone loves the models, the fluff is a good start but everyone has the same concerns. Discussing it there though did quell them a bit but as its been said before, only time will tell.

Agreeing with your opponent. I will see how this goes, most people in my local GW are pretty sound so I doubt anyone will pull any cheese and expect a game.

The new terrain and the rules for them sound awesome, teleporting shenanigans and golden archway dragon traps brah!

The posters outside the shop and the big artwork spread, lawdy lawd.

The face of someone when I told them about Konrads rule....priceless.

FREEEEE MINIIIIIIIIIIIS.

Prosecutors are glorious.

I'm bit annoyed this weeks WD sold out almost instantly (on the UK webstore at least) - I am about to leave to go on hols for a week, so wont have a chance to get to store to grab one

Free rules AND a free miniature in one issue, who would have thought that would sell well?

Does anyone know if they are likely to do reprint/restock? has an issue ever been this popular before?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Embarrassing.

Completely and utterly embarrassing.

The company that gave us Space hulk, Necromunda, Mordheim, Epic 40k, BFG Blood Bowl et al has been reduced to people shouting the loudest across the table, as part of the rules

GW have well and truly burnt their bridges with me. Like Obi Wan Kenobi, I will remember Anakin Skywalker as the good, decent, brave, and honourable man, and not the evil machine he became.

That's how I feel right now. The game I loved for 25 years has been reduced to this cluster feth!!


I you love 40k, PLEASE DON'T BUY THIS GAME. I know some people will be tempted by the models, but if the models sell well, GW will think they're on to a winner with this approach and 40K will be next for the AOS treatment.


Dakka members: what is KOW? Talk to me, please. Because right now I'm all ears. I need something to get me away from this AOS cluster feth!!!

Welcome to Kings of War, where no one will bat an eye if you use your old Warhammer models (or any other models) to play it. Where it is fairly balanced, tactical, and is a true massive fantasy battle wargame. Rules are free, too.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/654528.page

There's no also stopping anyone from playing the old Warhammer World using KoW rules. Give it a try. The more players playing KoW, the more opponents we have.



On topic, any clearer photos of the terrain? They look amazing although I don't think they'd fit the board I'm making. I wish they'd look more like European architecture, but then again GW is trying to make their stuff less generic.

NoggintheNog wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Embarrassing.

Completely and utterly embarrassing.



Dakka members: what is KOW? Talk to me, please. Because right now I'm all ears. I need something to get me away from this AOS cluster feth!!!

KOW is the mantic fantasy game. They are releasing the free rules for version 2.0 on July 10th. No it is not a coincidence, I've not played it, but I do know that it has been in beta a while with actual players involved in the testing and so on with direct input to mantic on how to make the game as good as it can be.
They also have official rules for 'other manufacturers armies' either in the pipeline or already on their website.

Thanks for this.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Embarrassing.

Completely and utterly embarrassing.

The company that gave us Space hulk, Necromunda, Mordheim, Epic 40k, BFG Blood Bowl et al has been reduced to people shouting the loudest across the table, as part of the rules

GW have well and truly burnt their bridges with me. Like Obi Wan Kenobi, I will remember Anakin Skywalker as the good, decent, brave, and honourable man, and not the evil machine he became.

That's how I feel right now. The game I loved for 25 years has been reduced to this cluster feth!!


I you love 40k, PLEASE DON'T BUY THIS GAME. I know some people will be tempted by the models, but if the models sell well, GW will think they're on to a winner with this approach and 40K will be next for the AOS treatment.


Dakka members: what is KOW? Talk to me, please. Because right now I'm all ears. I need something to get me away from this AOS cluster feth!!!

Ironically I would say the opposite - its going back to its roots in terms of the humour........they also gave us Paranoia IIRC?

Yes, GW had some humour back in the day, but when it came to making rules, they never abandoned ship like this lot.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Completely and utterly embarrassing.

The company that gave us Space hulk, Necromunda, Mordheim, Epic 40k, BFG Blood Bowl et al has been reduced to people shouting the loudest across the table, as part of the rules
...

That's how I feel right now. The game I loved for 25 years has been reduced to this cluster feth!!

That's exactly how I feel. Put simply, if you're any kind of wargamer at all, then you're simply not the target for this game.

It's incredible how they could have fallen so far. No points values or balancing mechanism? Doing a dance when you are rolling dice? Give me a fething break.

I don't think any long-term wargamer could have imagined quite how bad this could be.

People laugh at Steve the Warboss's rubbish rumours, but right now, I'd my right arm for those rumours to be true, because this mess is far worse...

God Almighty, I'd settle for a Mat Ward ruleset right now!!!


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 Pacific wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Completely and utterly embarrassing.

The company that gave us Space hulk, Necromunda, Mordheim, Epic 40k, BFG Blood Bowl et al has been reduced to people shouting the loudest across the table, as part of the rules
...

That's how I feel right now. The game I loved for 25 years has been reduced to this cluster feth!!

That's exactly how I feel. Put simply, if you're any kind of wargamer at all, then you're simply not the target for this game.

It's incredible how they could have fallen so far. No points values or balancing mechanism? Doing a dance when you are rolling dice? Give me a fething break.

I don't think any long-term wargamer could have imagined quite how bad this could be.

Pacific, have you ever had a faithful family pet, like a dog or a cat, that lived for 20 years or something? And then the day came you had to take it to the Vet because it was too ill, and you didn't want to see it suffer...

Funny how this idiocy makes me want to completly stop buying 40k as well, not because of fear that similar rules might make it there (40k could actualy use a simplified though balanced ruleset like that as it's not like it would loose any tactical options anyway, unlike whfb) but thanks to how off putting the company is now for me. Not talking about pennies either, this month I already bought an Imperial Knight and Glottkin to convert into Nurgle knight also Helldrake and Forgefiend to mix and match. Last month it was skeletons, Grave Guard, Hexwraiths and 4 VC characters. I was going to order at least $200 equivalent of Empire next few weeks.

But good riddance I guess, the waac is gone with his "I want to think instead of pushing models off the table while making up a story" bs.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It boggles my mind that people are still trying to figure out a way to adapt this into a tournament/pick-up tier game?

WHY? Why not just play 8th edition fantasy in tournaments and pick-ups? Like it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever why anyone would bother going through the house-rule hell of trying to "balance" a game that is unequivocally built from the ground up to NOT be a serious tactical game. Age of Sigmar is literally in the same genre of games as Trouble, Mouse-Trap and Perfection.

Like, someone explain this phenomenon to me.

Exactly this, also anyone who wants actual wargame should boycott this garbage and if you want models for 40k, Sanguinary Guard looks better anyway.

A lot of people defending Age of Silly because narrative are probably the same people that rejected kings of war because 8th was "more detailed and therefore more narrative" and how they loved personality to their armies.

Move on, nothing to salvage here. Good game to play and mock for an hour of bs while drunk but that's it, for normal play it's either old editions or alternate rulesets and the more people ignore Ark of Stupid and play those, the higher the chance to find a game and that GW will fix this crap. Not counting on that last thing though lol.

I think they're really trying to aim for the board game crowd on this. And I think it's a legitimate move: board games are big right now, and I could've done the same if I believe just fixing the mistakes in WHFB just won't cut it.

That still doesn't excuse the poor rules.


Imagine what if they did this with 40k? What would the general reaction be?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
People laugh at Steve the Warboss's rubbish rumours, but right now, I'd my right arm for those rumours to be true, because this mess is far worse...

God Almighty, I'd settle for a Mat Ward ruleset right now!!!

NO NO NO! You take those filthy words back right now!

I may be forced to play a few games of AoS with mates. So I withold some of my prior judgement until I have played. But, sweet mother! the old minis suffer in comparison to the new Custodes and the Bloody Blood Bloods. They are giants.

I am literally that guy who said he wasn't going to buy it because it looked rubbish and when the day came ordered it anyway. Expect I'm probably not alone. The box is just too pretty and the Khorne models are some of the best they've ever done in my opinion - discounting the stupid giant satan thing, anyway. They've won me over with the warscrolls for the existing range too, some thought has gone into them (if not the balancing side of life).

I'm also really interested in this 94 page fluff book just to see if it's any good or a load of old cobblers. Bah, I've got more money than sense.

 heartserenade wrote:
I think they're really trying to aim for the board game crowd on this. And I think it's a legitimate move: board games are big right now, and I could've done the same if I believe just fixing the mistakes in WHFB just won't cut it.

That still doesn't excuse the poor rules.


Imagine what if they did this with 40k? What would the general reaction be?

If thats the case they are still failing to grasp what their business is.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
I think they're really trying to aim for the board game crowd on this. And I think it's a legitimate move: board games are big right now, and I could've done the same if I believe just fixing the mistakes in WHFB just won't cut it.

That still doesn't excuse the poor rules.


Imagine what if they did this with 40k? What would the general reaction be?

If thats the case they are still failing to grasp what their business is.

That's what happens if you don't do market research.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
People laugh at Steve the Warboss's rubbish rumours, but right now, I'd my right arm for those rumours to be true, because this mess is far worse...

God Almighty, I'd settle for a Mat Ward ruleset right now!!!

NO NO NO! You take those filthy words back right now!

I may be forced to play a few games of AoS with mates. So I withold some of my prior judgement until I have played. But, sweet mother! the old minis suffer in comparison to the new Custodes and the Bloody Blood Bloods. They are giants.

I don't say this lightly, but I miss the Mat Ward days

At least you knew where you stood with the guy.

Or their sales figures show that they sell many miniatures, and not many rulebooks, army books and the like and have acted accordingly?

Basically Kirby's desire that they are primarily (after this some would say only) a miniature making company.

So I've given the KoW rules a wee read, and I know I'm making the switch. Will still be using my GW models, though. Mantic's are... not to my taste (apart from their undead, they are quite nice.)

Having read through the warscrolls, at least the Empire and Dwarf ones, I can safely say that I simply don't care for this game.

Re-rolling hit rolls if you have a bigger moustache? What the feth GW?

Sorry if I missed it, but are the 'main rules' available to download now too?

I'll only get worried about the "silly" rules, when I hear someone playing the WOW-cardgame actually crying LEEEEROY JENKINS when he plays the card. I think in a normal gaming circle, and even during pickup games, it can be understood that theese rules are the rulewriters attempt at beeing funny, and tongue in cheek, nothing more, nothing less.



That said, the lack of any kind of balancing mechanic is just stupid:

Winning clearly isn't the goal of any game, even if you enjoy it. The fun part is either overcomming an equal enemy, or seeing your modells act in a way which is conductive to a good narrative (meaningfull conflict would be the buzzword here). A decently balanced game benefits all gamers, the casuals, the pros, the roleplayers and the beer and pretzel crowd.
If you first have to spend time to figure out how both sides can stand on equal footing, then that's plain and simple a oversight of the game-designers.

 Alpharius wrote:
Sorry if I missed it, but are the 'main rules' available to download now too?

Yep, under 'new releases' on the age of sigmar tab

 Alpharius wrote:
Sorry if I missed it, but are the 'main rules' available to download now too?

Yes

 Alpharius wrote:
Sorry if I missed it, but are the 'main rules' available to download now too?

Here Alph: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/age-of-sigmar-compendiums?_requestid=5731335

They are, yes. Same play as the faction compendiums.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/age-of-sigmar-compendiums/?_requestid=4934767

Thanks guys - not sure how I missed it!

Just how many links do you want?

 streamdragon wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Funny that people are even discussing the fateweaver/skaven combo allready. Unfortunately, if you try to roll 2d6, you can't get a 13. Changing the result of one of the dice won't do it either.

Doesn't matter. The dice are immaterial. He can change the result of a roll to the result of his choice. "I rolled a 7, but the table has a 13. I choose that result instead. I win. GG"

.

Or simply roll 2D12 or 2D20,...what?!..., nowhere does it says that you must roll 2D6's, it just says rolls 2 dices, and as far as i know nowhere in the rules does it says that you are limited only to D6's, while it does indeed tells you to use D6's when rolling for stuff, there is no rule that says " you cannot use any other kind of dices", just like this rule says "roll 2 dices" and not "roll 2D6's"...

See?, thats GW forging a narrative with your arse...

Holy balls.

Just. Cripes.

Holy balls.

The special rules look like, amongst mates, they might be amusing for a few a minutes.

For people heavily invested in the game, I can only offer my condolences.

Time to dust off that KoW starter and get 2.0 ordered.