Looks like one group is ignoring the new California water restrictions

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**kronk**

d-usa wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Who said WA and OR agreed to send water down to CA

The people in CA saying "they should have just build a pipeline to get water to CA!"

I think you two agree.

WA and OR to the rest of the country: "feth California."

**timetowaste85**

Can we just dump Cali into the ocean? There's nothing important there.

**Iron_Captain**

So... If I understand this correctly, California is one of the main agricultural area of the US. Why is one of the main agricultural areas of the US in a desert? That does not seem very efficient...

**Frazzled**

Iron_Captain wrote:
So... If I understand this correctly, California is one of the main agricultural area of the US. Why is one of the main agricultural areas of the US in a desert? That does not seem very efficient...

Its not. Welcome to America!

Central California (being a desert) gets LOTS of sun but moderate temperatures, almost year around. Other areas have better soil, more rain etc. Frankly its almost hydroponics-imported seeds, imported water, imported fertilizer.

**hotsauceman1**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Can we just dump Cali into the ocean? There's nothing important there.

the whole framework of hollywood?
also, some of the best universities in the country, one of which I'm attending.
silicone valley.
some of the sexiest women out there

**cincydooley**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
Can we just dump Cali into the ocean? There's nothing important there.

the whole framework of hollywood?
also, some of the best universities in the country, one of which I'm attending.
silicone valley.
some of the sexiest women out there

1 out of 4 isn't bad, I guess......

**hotsauceman1**

How about 4 out of 4?

**KalashnikovMarine**

One out of four. Having been to California a lot.

**Cheesecat**

cincydooley wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
Can we just dump Cali into the ocean? There's nothing important there.

the whole framework of hollywood?
also, some of the best universities in the country, one of which I'm attending.
silicone valley.
some of the sexiest women out there

1 out of 4 isn't bad, I guess......

Isn't it more 2 out of 4? I mean silicone valley and Hollywood do belong to California, although as far as important things in California in terms of music there's it psychedelic rock scene, west coast hip hop and it's punk scene.

**Lint**

Frazzled wrote:
Its not. Cali's a freaking desert.

Iron_Captain wrote:So... If I understand this correctly, California is one of the main agricultural area of the US. Why is one of the main agricultural areas of the US in a desert? That does not seem very efficient...

California is not a desert. Well it wasn't before the drought I guess. Saying otherwise is seriously misinformed, misleading, and bordering on completely ignorant. The farmland here in NorCal is in a freaking delta. A delta.

The majority of land used for agriculture is in a valley between the coastal mountains and the Sierra Nevada. Here, try this:

Perhaps Frazz is thinking of Las Vegas, which is indeed planted in the middle of the freaking desert and has no significant natural sources of water. But Vegas is in Nevada. Anyways, I'll be dammed if I have to listen to a Texan tell me I live in a desert.

**Frazzled**

You can paint it green all you want. Its a desert. IT NEVER FREAKING RAINS THERE.

**Lint**

You are correct. It hasn't for about 6 years...

Spoiler:

**Ustrello**

Maybe it'll turn out like an opposite grapes of wrath, with calis heading to Oklahoma way.

**Jihadin**

Think Frazz has come to accept the fact....more Cali's are going to migrate to TX

**Ustrello**

Jihadin wrote:
Think Frazz has come to accept the fact....more Cali's are going to migrate to TX

West coast super liberals living with the rightest of right wingers. It'll be like an ultra violent odd couple.

**Jihadin**

Frazz did say Austin like a reservation for them.

**Lint**

They've already taken over Austin right?

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Think Frazz has come to accept the fact....more Cali's are going to migrate to TX

Dem's fightin words!

To the subject of Cali being a freaking Roadwarrior Esque wasteland:

Average Annual Precipitation, #55
Riverside County
6.35 inches
California
22.97 inches
U.S.
38.67 inches
http://www.usa.com/riverside-county-ca-weather.htm

by city: southern California:
Days Place Inches Millimetres
33 Anaheim 13.4 341
39 Bakersfield 6.5 164
37 Burbank 17.3 440
32 Chula Vista 9.8 250
13 El Centro 2.9 72
42 Escondido 15.0 381
– Fullerton 13.9 353
– Irvine 14.3 364
29 Lancaster 7.4 187
35 Long Beach 12.3 311
36 Los Angeles 14.9 379
33 Oceanside 10.3 262
– Ontario 15.0 382
35 Oxnard 15.9 404
27 Palmdale 7.4 188
43 Pasadena 21.2 539
27 Pomona 17.2 436
30 Riverside 10.3 262
57 Salinas 12.8 326
38 San Bernardino 16.0 407
42 San Diego 10.3 263
52 San Luis Obispo 23.1 587
36 Santa Ana 13.6 346
39 Santa Barbara 19.4 494
– Thousand Oaks 16.5 420
35 Torrance 14.5 367
28 Victorville 6.2 156
40 Visalia 10.9 278

And now for a place where it actually rains:
Houston has had an average rainfall of 52.69 inches over the last 30 years, which is 35% more than the average nationwide, and 48% more than the average in Texas.
http://average-rainfall.findthebest.com/l/249/Houston-Texas

And just for kicks: New Orleans:
64 inches.
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2014/04/new_orleans_ranks.html

**Lint**

Frazzled wrote:

Spoiler:

Average Annual Precipitation, #55
Riverside County
6.35 inches
California
22.97 inches
U.S.
38.67 inches
http://www.usa.com/riverside-county-ca-weather.htm

by city: southern California:
Days Place Inches Millimetres
33 Anaheim 13.4 341
39 Bakersfield 6.5 164
37 Burbank 17.3 440
32 Chula Vista 9.8 250
13 El Centro 2.9 72
42 Escondido 15.0 381
– Fullerton 13.9 353
– Irvine 14.3 364
29 Lancaster 7.4 187
35 Long Beach 12.3 311
36 Los Angeles 14.9 379
33 Oceanside 10.3 262
– Ontario 15.0 382
35 Oxnard 15.9 404
27 Palmdale 7.4 188
43 Pasadena 21.2 539
27 Pomona 17.2 436
30 Riverside 10.3 262
57 Salinas 12.8 326
38 San Bernardino 16.0 407
42 San Diego 10.3 263
52 San Luis Obispo 23.1 587
36 Santa Ana 13.6 346
39 Santa Barbara 19.4 494
– Thousand Oaks 16.5 420
35 Torrance 14.5 367
28 Victorville 6.2 156
40 Visalia 10.9 278

Well, yeah. You literally just named all of the cities in the southern Californian desert, and basin. The only thing they grow in Victorville is exploded meth trailers.

Fresno, Tulare, San Joaquin, Monterey, Merced counties - decidedly NOT deserts. And while rainfall might be low in some opinions, remember that these are flood plains and deltas which are fed by snowmelt. Want to know why the soil is so rich in the central valley? Because for hundres of years the land has been flooded seasonally. It's not like some failed gold miners gave up and said "screw it, let's plant some artichokes in this desolate hellhole."

**DarkTraveler777**

You are putting up a good fight, Lint, but certain prodigious Dakka OT posters loves to gak on California. It really should be on the bingo card.

**Frazzled**

Lint wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Spoiler:

Average Annual Precipitation, #55
Riverside County
6.35 inches
California
22.97 inches
U.S.
38.67 inches
http://www.usa.com/riverside-county-ca-weather.htm

by city: southern California:
Days Place Inches Millimetres
33 Anaheim 13.4 341
39 Bakersfield 6.5 164
37 Burbank 17.3 440
32 Chula Vista 9.8 250
13 El Centro 2.9 72
42 Escondido 15.0 381
– Fullerton 13.9 353
– Irvine 14.3 364
29 Lancaster 7.4 187
35 Long Beach 12.3 311
36 Los Angeles 14.9 379
33 Oceanside 10.3 262
– Ontario 15.0 382
35 Oxnard 15.9 404
27 Palmdale 7.4 188
43 Pasadena 21.2 539
27 Pomona 17.2 436
30 Riverside 10.3 262
57 Salinas 12.8 326
38 San Bernardino 16.0 407
42 San Diego 10.3 263
52 San Luis Obispo 23.1 587
36 Santa Ana 13.6 346
39 Santa Barbara 19.4 494
– Thousand Oaks 16.5 420
35 Torrance 14.5 367
28 Victorville 6.2 156
40 Visalia 10.9 278

Well, yeah. You literally just named all of the cities in the southern Californian desert, and basin. The only thing they grow in Victorville is exploded meth trailers.

Fresno, Tulare, San Joaquin, Monterey, Merced counties - decidedly NOT deserts. And while rainfall might be low in some opinions, remember that these are flood plains and deltas which are fed by snowmelt. Want to know why the soil is so rich in the central valley? Because for hundres of years the land has been flooded seasonally. It's not like some failed gold miners gave up and said "screw it, let's plant some artichokes in this desolate hellhole."

Thats northern California.
And the soil is...ok.

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DarkTraveler777 wrote:
You are putting up a good fight, Lint, but certain prodigious Dakka OT posters loves to gak on California. It really should be on the bingo card.

Hey when a state tries to kill you, you tend to get a little P'oed about it.

**Lint**

Yes, Northern CA. Where they grow the food.

edit* and the soil is better than the trampled layers of horse crap in Texas....

**Ustrello**

Isn't there a movement for Northern Cal to separate and form their own state? Kinda like the idiots that want to make chicago/chicagoland its own state

**Lint**

Ustrello wrote:
Isn't there a movement for Northern Cal to separate and form their own state? Kinda like the idiots that want to make chicago/chicagoland its own state

The northernmost third of the state is actually red enough to five Frazz a run for his money. So yeah, they'd like to break away from a decidedly Southern Hollywood and San Francisco liberal dominated legislature.

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On Topic: Here's a fun article from last summer about these Beverly Hills and Malibu rich fethers:

http://gizmodo.com/rich-people-are-trucking-their-own-water-into-drought-r-1627178060

**WrentheFaceless**

The amount of water the wealthy uses is a pittance compared to the real consumers.

Agriculture (which we need), and companies that sell bottled water (which can gtfo) and Fracking (which can also gtfo)

**easysauce**

yeah, while the issue of water in cali is a real issue, its not the rich peoples fault...

the OP article has "class bait" written all over it.

err, i mean, eat the rich! vive la 99%!

**Ensis Ferrae**

Jihadin wrote:
West of the mountains for your farmland. Who said WA and OR agreed to send water down to CA

Actually, I don't think much of the farmland is where you think it is.... IIRC most of the apples are in that "drought" zone, along the columbia gorge. Wheat and corn are grown on the east side as well.

actually google brought this up:

Spoiler:

So I hope you can see that even we're not really in a position to be simply shipping water off as we please. About the only "crop" grown that we can cut down, or out is the "Turf Grass" category.

**zombiekila707**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Can we just dump Cali into the ocean? There's nothing important there.

Oh I wish you did we would make Atlantis! And you would realize that we produce 25% of the worlds fruits and vegetables! And you will starve.

But your not important...

On a serious note People leaving the water on is not the problem it involves politics plan and simple.

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Ustrello wrote:
Isn't there a movement for Northern Cal to separate and form their own state? Kinda like the idiots that want to make chicago/chicagoland its own state

It was actually rumored it was going to be on the ballot and the main reason we are in a drought because of southern California addiction to the water up north. The Central valley is literally drying up because of our shipping of water and the fact we haven't had good rains for almost a decade.

**CptJake**

I found the following article interesting: http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24993601/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more

In part:

Through studies of tree rings, sediment and other natural evidence, researchers have documented multiple droughts in California that lasted 10 or 20 years in a row during the past 1,000 years -- compared to the mere three-year duration of the current dry spell. The two most severe megadroughts make the Dust Bowl of the 1930s look tame: a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.

If California is just going through what may be geologically a typical cycle, not watering those golf courses won't make much difference.

**Ustrello**

zombiekila707 wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
Can we just dump Cali into the ocean? There's nothing important there.

Oh I wish you did we would make Atlantis! And you would realize that we produce 25% of the worlds fruits and vegetables! And you will starve.

But your not important...

On a serious note People leaving the water on is not the problem it involves politics plan and simple.

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Ustrello wrote:
Isn't there a movement for Northern Cal to separate and form their own state? Kinda like the idiots that want to make chicago/chicagoland its own state

It was actually rumored it was going to be on the ballot and the main reason we are in a drought because of southern California addiction to the water up north. The Central valley is literally drying up because of our shipping of water and the fact we haven't had good rains for almost a decade.

I mean it wouldnt get far since it is against the constitution.