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@Dozer Blades

No, they cannot mix in any way at all.

I was just kidding.

For the narrative, there are no superheavies outside of the Saturday event, correct?

Can't wait! WIll be a blast!

In the past it was all old or all new. No mixing.

There is a new sheriff in town cow poke .

Yeah, no mixing. You can use either the old codex or new, but your army may not contain any elements of the other book.

Im trying to make this event. Is there a schedule? What time does the tourny wrap up sunday? I need to arange a flight home sunday night.

Which event will you be playing in?

 Reecius wrote:
Which event will you be playing in?

Could you post the schedule for the 40K championships? I couldn't find it on the website.

Also, will you allow open 40K gaming all weekend for those with just convention passes (if tables are available)?

40K Champs

Schedule
Saturday, 6-20-15
Registration: 9:00am
Round 1: 10:00am-12:45pm
Lunch: 12:45pm
Round 2: 1:30pm-4:15pm
Round 3: 4:30pm-7:15pm
Sunday, 6-21-15
Round 4: 10:00am-12:45pm
Lunch: 12:45pm
Round 5: 1:30pm-4:15pm
Awards: 4:45pm


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Sorry, it somehow got hidden on the event info page, fixed it.


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@themonk

If there are open tables that is no issue, but it takes a backseat in priority to the scheduled events.

Five rounds is awesome !

Several questions arise with the arrival of the new sm codex:
The most relevant to wargamescon being: Is the new book in or was there a "new rules cutoff point" somewhere?

If the answer to that is "yes it's allowed," then there are several FAQ style questions that come up, like can you run a double Demi-company to make a full battle company even though that would sort of be two of the same formation (albeit inside a single mega-formation.) Can you upgrade a captain to a chapter master and still have him count as a captain for formations, and do iron hands vehicles get IWND, are just a few examples among them.

(I'm hoping the answer is "no there was a cutoff point so we wouldn't be blindsided by half-working rules a week before," so we won't run into several of those questions before they've been explored.)

This is my response to the same question in a previous thread on the double demi company problem. It fully depends on the wording.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Suprised no one has asked it yet.

The formation with 2 demi companies and an auxiliary that allows free transports....

Will TO's allow this, since it essentially allows 400-600 free points to a list.

In its defense, the old Blood Angels book where you rolled for Death Company, you could get an extra 200 points in wargear.

Love to know opinions on the matter ( and so I know if I should start playing mine to get practice in).

While I disagree with it the ITC restriction on no duplicate formations COULD make the 2 demi company formation illegal based on the wording. If it is a single formation then it would be cool under ITC, if it is a benefit you gain from taking two formations, ie "If you take two demi-company formations you gain blah blah blah..." then the ITC ruling on duplicate formations would apply and it would be a no go in ITC formatted events.

Edit: I don't speak for ITC or Reece it's just what my reading of the ITC leads me to believe. I don't know the exact wording from the new SM codex yet.

I think he, Reece, already said the new book would be allowed.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
This is my response to the same question in a previous thread on the double demi company problem. It fully depends on the wording.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Suprised no one has asked it yet.

The formation with 2 demi companies and an auxiliary that allows free transports....

Will TO's allow this, since it essentially allows 400-600 free points to a list.

In its defense, the old Blood Angels book where you rolled for Death Company, you could get an extra 200 points in wargear.

Love to know opinions on the matter ( and so I know if I should start playing mine to get practice in).

While I disagree with it the ITC restriction on no duplicate formations COULD make the 2 demi company formation illegal based on the wording. If it is a single formation then it would be cool under ITC, if it is a benefit you gain from taking two formations, ie "If you take two demi-company formations you gain blah blah blah..." then the ITC ruling on duplicate formations would apply and it would be a no go in ITC formatted events.

Edit: I don't speak for ITC or Reece it's just what my reading of the ITC leads me to believe. I don't know the exact wording from the new SM codex yet.

I think he, Reece, already said the new book would be allowed.

It argue the ruling is already clear. Gladius Strike Force is a special detachment exactly like the Necron Decurion and the Eldar Craftworld detachments. Both of those are already allowed to take duplicate choices of subordinate formations (i.e. multiple Canoptek Harvests, Aspect Hosts, etc.) as the entire detachment counts as one of your two detachments. There is no reason the Gladius Strike Force wouldn't follow this precedent.

Makes sense to me Panzer.

@Panzer Leader

No, you CANNOT take multiple duplicate sub-formations in a Decurion detachment, please do not show up with a list that features that. You can only ever have 1 of any detachment, treat them all as 0-1.

You can take multiple auxiliary selections such as the Maulerfiend in a KDK army as they are not a detachment unto themselves, but a unit entry in the detachment.

I know building a list in 7th ed is confusing, we try to communicate it as clearly as possible.

@niv

We are debating the demi-company/battle company issue, now. I personally read it as a single detachment called the Battle Company that has a different name and rules and therefore does not violate the 0-1 detachment rule for the ITC. Some of the guys on the team are playing Devil's advocate and arguing the other side of it, though. We will have a decision once the book comes out.

As for the Chapter Master issue, I read it as no, as the Chapter Master is not a captain, and the formation itself does not allow you to take any named Chapter Masters which indicates intent, in my mind.

 Reecius wrote:
@Panzer Leader

No, you CANNOT take multiple duplicate sub-formations in a Decurion detachment, please do not show up with a list that features that. You can only ever have 1 of any detachment, treat them all as 0-1.

You can take multiple auxiliary selections such as the Maulerfiend in a KDK army as they are not a detachment unto themselves, but a unit entry in the detachment.

I know building a list in 7th ed is confusing, we try to communicate it as clearly as possible.

@niv

We are debating the demi-company/battle company issue, now. I personally read it as a single detachment called the Battle Company that has a different name and rules and therefore does not violate the 0-1 detachment rule for the ITC. Some of the guys on the team are playing Devil's advocate and arguing the other side of it, though. We will have a decision once the book comes out.

As for the Chapter Master issue, I read it as no, as the Chapter Master is not a captain, and the formation itself does not allow you to take any named Chapter Masters which indicates intent, in my mind.

Thanks for the responses, although the biggest question on my mind remains unanswered: does wargames con have a cutoff date for new rules, AKA can this marine 'dex legally show up since it's like...next week.

As for intent of chapter masters. It's a rough call. In the command sub formation you can take several of the named masters, including Calgar, but it once again only mentions a nameless captain and no nameless chapter master. This leads me to believe that you can take the captain unit selection to qualify, and upgrade him to a chapter master, much how a predator is still a predator even after you upgrade it to the annihilator variant. I can see the issue though, as I can't think of any unit where an entire 2nd statline is used to replace the first for the whole unit. It just strikes me as strange that nowhere in the gladius do they have "chapter master" available, even with the named ones, and that may be because there is no chapter master unit selection.

 Reecius wrote:
@Panzer Leader

No, you CANNOT take multiple duplicate sub-formations in a Decurion detachment, please do not show up with a list that features that. You can only ever have 1 of any detachment, treat them all as 0-1.

You can take multiple auxiliary selections such as the Maulerfiend in a KDK army as they are not a detachment unto themselves, but a unit entry in the detachment.

I know building a list in 7th ed is confusing, we try to communicate it as clearly as possible.

@niv

We are debating the demi-company/battle company issue, now. I personally read it as a single detachment called the Battle Company that has a different name and rules and therefore does not violate the 0-1 detachment rule for the ITC. Some of the guys on the team are playing Devil's advocate and arguing the other side of it, though. We will have a decision once the book comes out.

As for the Chapter Master issue, I read it as no, as the Chapter Master is not a captain, and the formation itself does not allow you to take any named Chapter Masters which indicates intent, in my mind.

Thanks. I always get that backwards.

No time limit, no. The new Marine dex will be good to go as will the 6th ed book, but if you take one book, no aspect of your army may be drawn from the other book. They are 100% mutually exclusive.

And yeah, typically ambiguous GW rules. The kicker for me, is that in the detachment description where it lists who can sub in for the Captain, it lists only named Captains and no Named Chapter masters. That was what convinced me that yes, they meant Captains and only Captains. YMMV, of course, and I am sure a lot of Space marine players WANT it to include Chapter masters for obvious reasons, haha, but the battle Company is already very powerful as is.

It's so fluffy !

@Dozer

It really is. Yes, you will typically get about 250-300pts of free transports, which will ruffle some feathers, but a lot of formations and detachments do that, now and have for a while. Obviously, GW does it to drive sales, but, I honestly don't think the Battle Company is OP at all, it looks very fun to play with and against, and will be very good at winning missions, but compared to a Deathstar list, I know what I'd rather play against any day of the week.

@Panzer Leader

Happy to help!

I had another Q bugging me about ITC scoring.
Your main faction is whatever your primary detachment is, (which is the one with your warlord in it,) regardless of points spent, correct?

It feels kind of lame that someone could say...be the best dark eldar player in the ITC because they have a dozen dark eldar and an archon/Haemon/succubus warlord next to 1600+ points of eldar.

Yes, that is a common complaint, but the bookkeeping involved with adding up everyone's detachments and determining which had the most points would be extremely unwieldy when you are dealing with thousands of players. Until we come up with a way to digitally check lists, it isn't a realistic goal.

Whose fired up for a fantastic weekend with Reecius, FLG and the BoLS crew ???

Can't wait !!!

Gonna be a blast!

Also, for those using the new Space Marine 7th ed codex, we are allowing the Space Marine Battle Company for those who have been asking.

SM FAQ question. Can you join ICs to the 1st turn assualt Skyforce Formation?

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