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Melta bombs are on the grenade chapter.

I wonder if there is any merit to running a cyclopia cabal formation with Orks. They are allies of convenience after all.

If you run them together with a kdk formation of dogs, than yes. You basically rush the field and slaughter stuff with psy shreiks than let meganobz and tankbustas deal with vehicles and SHW.

 PipeAlley wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Are tankbusta bombs listed as grenades?

TBB's are treated as melta bombs. So goes melta bombs so goes the nation I guess.

Are melta bombs grenades?

They're in the "Grenades of the 41st Millennium" section (p180), so yes.

With the cyclopia cabal formation, would maybe running them behind some Ork bikerstar work too without spending too many points on adding in KDK hounds and things as well? I was wondering the same thing myself since they would give us some awesome psychic utility, and modeling up some shamanistic techno-barbarians on bikes would be pretty fun.
Anyone have any experience using it or playing against it?

Since the cabal can't join an ork unit I don't think its worth it since you will want to use the cabal to use psychic buffs to create a deathstar.

Put them on bikes and try for Iron arm, sanctuary, invisiblity in a unit of 20 khorne dogs gives them scout, fearless, 40 wounds, 4++, invisible, and like 60 str 8 attacks. Their only weakness would be no hit-and-run so theres a chance the deathstar could be tied up but thats about it.

-oh and once you factor in blood tithe the dogs will also be feel no pain

I'd rather not mix orks with KDK, but play KDK on it's own. The only non-orky thing that is realy worth adding is the Renegade Knight. Sorcerers can't cast blessings on orks and everithing cast at the enemy (if they are not Necrons or Tau) will easily be dispelled.

Even the renegade knight thing I'm not too sure on, I think these days if your units don't synergize (buff each other somehow) then its not worth it. By taking a knight I think you are taking points away that could be better used to make the rest of your army stronger/faster somehow. I'd take a stompa instead to get the fearless bubble.

 chaosmarauder wrote:
Even the renegade knight thing I'm not too sure on, I think these days if your units don't synergize (buff each other somehow) then its not worth it. By taking a knight I think you are taking points away that could be better used to make the rest of your army stronger/faster somehow. I'd take a stompa instead to get the fearless bubble.

I have used the renegade a fair bit and I have found it a solid addition to ork armies. It's powerful and reliable long range firepower. Only stompa I like compared to it would be the Kustom stompa which is banned like half the time lol.

Plus just think of how fun it would be to make a renegade knight proppa orky! Once I actually have enough points for apoc I think my deffskullz are gonna loot a knight. Kitbashing it with deff dread bits would looks awesome.

with the faq clarifying summoning of FMC's using ML2 weirdboyz to summon greater daemons shenanigans took a bit of a buff. Additionally you can choose which of the three thirster's to summon as per the update in wulfen.

using 3+ ML2 weirdboyz standing around 10 or more ere we go boyz is gonna give you a good chance of rolling possession and with 10+ warp charge you should be easily able to get it to cast. Sure its an auto perils but possession laughs in the face of perils.

A D-weapon toting flying maniac adds quite something to an ork army. Particularly when you're like me playing in a no forgeworld meta.

Rumours has it that they will not update any old codexes before 8th edition. I guess we are stuck with those options for a while.

Rumour has it that 8th edition is not that far away though so stick it out and keep on krushin them humies.

I hope Orks aren't among the first 3 or 4 codex updated. We might be safer after GW has sorted out is power level and started their next power creep. Being first is da worst.

 warhead01 wrote:
Being first is da worst.

That's an place of honour strictly reserved for CSM anyway.

lol.
A New rule then.

Lets hope that they will make a more flexible codex system with online errata/updates for problem fixes

Honestly it'd be neat if we got some psyker powers worth taking. I'd love to try out a psyker ork army build but unless I ally in CSM there's really no way to do that. Considering how many new psyker powers GW has been vomitting out I'd say our chances aren't too bad. Granted, they'll just turn aroubd and give SM the same powers but better and cheaper because marines are obviously the vest psykers in the galaxy.

Clan detachments would be awesome.

Weirdboy led snakebit lists, blood axes with looted imperial vehicles again, Goff nob armies, speed freak bikes lists without having to take Zhadsnark. Really blows my mind that they don't even attempt that kind of stuff.

Well to be fair zhardsnark became popular when GW took away wazdakka.

The best psychic power I had for Orks was taking sanctic demonlogy and rolling hammerhand. Orks definitely need a similar power for themselves.
Right now blobs of boys with str3 ap- atks isn't really cutting it anymore even in a greentide spam list with fnp and Lukky stikk +1 ws. If it wasn't for the str8 pk nobs carrying all the weight. However the one time I had hammerhand in a tide I'm running around with str5 or str6 on charge blob of boys and str10 pk nobs putting a lot more hurt out even with only a few ap2 klaws.

This is a power weirdboyz need other then the multiple versions of the same witch fires. Wierdboyz need a force multiplier so personally I'd like a template psychic power(psychic vomit, this should be our primaris it's the most iconic weirdboy power), beam psychic power (kill bolt) the deepstrike psychic power(da jump), the above +str type psychic power (aka improved warpath), something that adds defense (but not fnp)such as 4+ invul to psychers unit (da warpead), a malediction that reduces a single Model toughness by 2 or armour value by 2(new and improved eadbanger) a power that allows models with err we go within 12in of the psycher to reroll to hit (aka Orks have crap bs and almost no twinlinked options for shooting in their entire codex)(call it da waaagh)

The above is the perfect psychic tree for Orks.

That's actually not half bad. I'd consider taking that psyker if I could tailor him into a few shooty lists, hoping for the TL spell. If not, I could just toss him into some choppy boyz and have a go. I usually do put him with shootas anyway on the rare occasion I break him out.

He definitely needs more buff powers. Hell, maybe even give him a passive that all orks within 12" get +1 strength and attack if he's the warlord- y'know, tying it into the whole gestalt thing.

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
That's actually not half bad. I'd consider taking that psyker if I could tailor him into a few shooty lists, hoping for the TL spell. If not, I could just toss him into some choppy boyz and have a go. I usually do put him with shootas anyway on the rare occasion I break him out.

He definitely needs more buff powers. Hell, maybe even give him a passive that all orks within 12" get +1 strength and attack if he's the warlord- y'know, tying it into the whole gestalt thing.

It's a decent power but no better then the new space marine power or even prescience. However the closest one to being op is the 4+ invul one however it's basically a not garaunteed azreal buff.

Irks should have at least two sets if Waaaagh! powers of their own. Brutal but Kunnin and Kunnin but Brutal.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Irks should have at least two sets if Waaaagh! powers of their own. Brutal but Kunnin and Kunnin but Brutal.

That would be nice

To high hopes, to little results. I wouldn't hope for a decent codex any time soon. But I, at least, hope the FAQ and Errata might change something for the better for da boyz.

Errata wont change any rules. Errata says how to play with actual rules

 Mr.T wrote:
Errata wont change any rules. Errata says how to play with actual rules

That's what the FAQs are. The errata are changes, although many seem to be rules clarifications under specific situations.

I don't think we'll get much, except an errata for 7 & 8 on the mob rule table. It could be beneficial...depending on what they say 7 & 8 do. It all depends on whether or not they go back to their (assumed) original intent of higher roll = better result for the ork player.

Mostly likely they will just slack off and not change anything, or say 7 & 8 are more squabbles.

 JimOnMars wrote:
I don't think we'll get much, except an errata for 7 & 8 on the mob rule table. It could be beneficial...depending on what they say 7 & 8 do. It all depends on whether or not they go back to their (assumed) original intent of higher roll = better result for the ork player.

Mostly likely they will just slack off and not change anything, or say 7 & 8 are more squabbles.

at this point i dont believe anyone at GW plays orks... because they would think that squabble is in fact the best result for orks... since you know we are all fielding mobz of 30 boyz these days... its just so damn efficient and "fun"... -.-

What do you think about bully boyz + painboyz? Ain't it an overkill?

 koooaei wrote:
What do you think about bully boyz + painboyz? Ain't it an overkill?

I love bully boyz and I love painboyz, but not so much together. I exclusively run my bully boyz in FW Gun Wagons which can only carry 10 guys so I sadly do not have a spot for a painboy with them. :(