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"Jon Snow became Lord Commander and rides off to the Wildlings trying to make them his allies."

That's the entire Wall sub-plot after 7 episodes

This has been a fantastic season. I guess I'm just looking for different things in my television than you are.

I've thoroughly enjoyed this season so far. I'm an episode behind as the wife and I watch when we get the chance and sometimes that can be a few days. But based on what I've seen so far the writers seem to be doing an excellent job of turning crap material into good TV.

I've said it over and over again. The first 3 books in A Song of Fire and Ice are some of the best fantasy I have ever read. Books 4 and 5 took all that good work and made me loathe the author.

The fact that I'm enjoying the show greatly at this point (well into the bad writing) says all it needs to for me about the writers of the show.

Also I didn't feel like Sansa was a "victim" in Episode 6. She knew it was likely coming (bet she appreciates Tyrion now) and did her "duty". I'm interested in this newest episode. We'll see if it continues to be excellent TV or not.


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 Sigvatr wrote:
"Jon Snow became Lord Commander and rides off to the Wildlings trying to make them his allies."

That's the entire Wall sub-plot after 7 episodes

Shows about people wanting to be in charge. Entire plot of the show for 5 seasons. See, I can oversimplify too

 cincydooley wrote:
This has been a fantastic season. I guess I'm just looking for different things in my television than you are.

Here is the thing, this season is still good television and I am still look forward to next Sunday. I just think it is probably the weakest season of this show for me. If seasons 1-4 where A+ television then this season gets a A-. That may all change of course sense we do have 3 whole episodes to go.

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
This has been a fantastic season. I guess I'm just looking for different things in my television than you are.

Here is the thing, this season is still good television and I am still look forward to next Sunday. I just think it is probably the weakest season of this show for me. If seasons 1-4 where A+ television then this season gets a A-. That may all change of course sense we do have 3 whole episodes to go.

This I can agree with mostly. I feel like season 1 may actually be worse but because of my excitement for the show in general I rate it higher than it actually deserves. Don't know though. At some point I'll go back and power watch everything because you can do that fairly easily when it's just 10 episodes per season.

 cincydooley wrote:
This has been a fantastic season. I guess I'm just looking for different things in my television than you are.

The season is a notable drop-off from the previous ones. This is partly because there just is less interesting stuff about to happen (same as in the books), but also because the show tries to loosen its ties to the book and suffers from bad writing in those parts.

Poor, poor Jorah...


Anyways, it was revealed before this season started that a main character, (ie: one of the cast who appear in the opening credits), will be permanently killed off this season - as in, the actor will NOT! be returning.
While we've already lost Selmy, he's not a series reg, and there's still plenty of contenders, including the likes of Stannis, Bronn & Jorah (please no!)

Any theories/educated guesses on who's going to join the very lengthy list of Game of In Memoriums?!

Personally I'm thinking it's going to be Stannis, especially considering where his character is at in the books at this point.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
This has been a fantastic season. I guess I'm just looking for different things in my television than you are.

Here is the thing, this season is still good television and I am still look forward to next Sunday. I just think it is probably the weakest season of this show for me. If seasons 1-4 where A+ television then this season gets a A-. That may all change of course sense we do have 3 whole episodes to go.

This I can agree with mostly. I feel like season 1 may actually be worse but because of my excitement for the show in general I rate it higher than it actually deserves. Don't know though. At some point I'll go back and power watch everything because you can do that fairly easily when it's just 10 episodes per season.

I really liked season 1 mainly because I have always liked Sean Bean as an actor and I think he did a good job. I have never read the book though, so the only way I knew anything about this series was playing the LCG at gen con when it was released awhile ago.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
This has been a fantastic season. I guess I'm just looking for different things in my television than you are.

The season is a notable drop-off from the previous ones. This is partly because there just is less interesting stuff about to happen (same as in the books), but also because the show tries to loosen its ties to the book and suffers from bad writing in those parts.

Well, that's the good thing about opinions: we all have them.

I agree with Cincy on this one though... I too have thought that, so far, this has been a great season. Yes, there have been ups and downs and great moments and not so great moments, but the entire series has been like that. I also agree with the fact that the first three books are easily some of the best fantasy of the modern era but books four and five sucked. I much prefer what this show is doing over what the books did with this part of the story.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Yes, there have been ups and downs and great moments and not so great moments, but the entire series has been like that. I also agree with the fact that the first three books are easily some of the best fantasy of the modern era but books four and five sucked. I much prefer what this show is doing over what the books did with this part of the story.

Agree 100%. I think they took what was a lot of crap in books 4 & 5 and made it interesting. The fact that we actually have important characters meeting is awesome.

The fact that Sansa is actually doing SOMETHING is awesome.

I agree with pretty much all of the character omissions/combinations, as there are simply too many characters in the book that GRRM admittedly forgets about and backs himself into situations where we don't know what the hell to do with them (like Gendry in the GoT series...).

I mean, thank the 7 that they're moving Mereen forward. What a narrative gak show that is in the novels.

Just to point out: GoT still is a lot better than everything that runs in regular TV. If it was a regular series, I'd rate the latest episode a 8 or 9 out of 10. The actors are still doing an amazing job, scenery is awesome etc.

In comparison to the previous seasons, however, this season falls short by a long shot. The entire Dorn part, so far, has just been terrible. Not only was the writing just trash, the fight scene at the palace was horribly choreographed and threw us right back in the early 80s.

lol dorn so far has been awesome to me!

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just to point out: GoT still is a lot better than everything that runs in regular TV. If it was a regular series, I'd rate the latest episode a 8 or 9 out of 10. The actors are still doing an amazing job, scenery is awesome etc.

In comparison to the previous seasons, however, this season falls short by a long shot. The entire Dorn part, so far, has just been terrible. Not only was the writing just trash, the fight scene at the palace was horribly choreographed and threw us right back in the early 80s.

You sound a lot like a Forbes article I read...

I do agree that Dorne is the weakest part of the plot currently, mainly because there just hasn't been much going on there (I'll forgive the the convenience of Jamie and Bronn meeting the Sand Snakes at the same time, that gak always happens in TV/movies).

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just to point out: GoT still is a lot better than everything that runs in regular TV. If it was a regular series, I'd rate the latest episode a 8 or 9 out of 10. The actors are still doing an amazing job, scenery is awesome etc.

In comparison to the previous seasons, however, this season falls short by a long shot. The entire Dorn part, so far, has just been terrible. Not only was the writing just trash, the fight scene at the palace was horribly choreographed and threw us right back in the early 80s.

You sound a lot like a Forbes article I read...

I do agree that Dorne is the weakest part of the plot currently, mainly because there just hasn't been much going on there (I'll forgive the the convenience of Jamie and Bronn meeting the Sand Snakes at the same time, that gak always happens in TV/movies).

It's not just the lack of anything happening. The writing is trash. Starting with the two super agents (...) somehow making it in the palance without any problems at all. No guards checking on them in their blood-ridden clothes. The duo's entire plan was to just...waltz into the palace and take the girl. Then the super convenience of the three groups meeting at the exact same second. All vipers look the same to let even the dumbest viewer realize that they're sisters...despite all of 'em having different mothers. The series gets it across that all women are somehow dark-skinned and have dark hair. Which just isn't the case. The fight scene...terrible. Just terrible. Extremely poor choreography on Power Rangers or Xena, the Warrior Princess level. Seriously. In this episode, the Bron scene. Why? It established nothing. How long was it? 5 minutes? More? All it did was, likely, setting up another poison scene. Other than that, it was slapped on to get some nudity in. We had two face-to-hip shots right after each other. Literally. Full shot, over to Bronne, same shot again. Why? Sure, nothing wrong with showing breasts. Showing them just to get attention to an otherwise pointless scene is just lazy writing. It's like adding a rape scene to...oh, wait.

Short quiz: who is bald, has no balls and has been completely forgotten by the writers so far?

/e: Hahaha oh wow. That Forbes article DOES sound like me. Even got the 90s reference in it!

Regarding the Dornish Plot, I think Elio Garcia put it best.

[Paraphrased]The Sand Snakes were horribly miscast. They chose actors who have absolutely no physicality to them, no experience of Theatrical stage fighting and so the choreography suffers for it.

Their Episode 6 Review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcnwhMrVJjg

dear god... that review is longer then the espisode...

its like a nerdvana

Theon didn't exactly go running to Ramsay blabbling everything. Ramsay already knew.

Remember that old lady who passed a message to Sansa and reminded her she still had friends in the North loyal to the Starks? Ramsay caught her, and flayed her. She didn't give Sansa up, but he knew something was going on. Somehow, Ramsay was waiting for Theon in the broken tower. Ramsay caught Theon in the act of trying to send a signal to Brienne. And once caught, the last thing Theon wanted was to be flayed again.

Sansa did get through to Theon, he was going to help her, but got caught red handed and Ramsay scared him into telling the truth (really, who wouldn't be?).

 easysauce wrote:
dear god... that review is longer then the espisode...

its like a nerdvana

You clearly don't know who they are, do you?

These people help GRRM edit his own books. When GRRM forgets the eye colour of an obscure character, or the gender of someone's horse (The Hound), they are the ones who remind him and correct him. They wrote the official Song Of Ice and Fire guidebook, "The World of Ice and Fire". After GRRM himself, Elio Garcia and Linda Antonsson are probably the two people in the world who know the most about the Ice and Fire universe.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-World-Ice-Fire-Westeros/dp/0007580916

Calling them Nerds is like calling the Pope a devout Christian.

Good episode, though we need abit more King jeoffry to beat the sparrow. That or worlds most dangerous old woman with littlefinger combined is a dangerous potential team.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Theon didn't exactly go running to Ramsay blabbling everything. Ramsay already knew.

Remember that old lady who passed a message to Sansa and reminded her she still had friends in the North loyal to the Starks? Ramsay caught her, and flayed her. She didn't give Sansa up, but he knew something was going on. Somehow, Ramsay was waiting for Theon in the broken tower. Ramsay caught Theon in the act of trying to send a signal to Brienne. And once caught, the last thing Theon wanted was to be flayed again.

Sansa did get through to Theon, he was going to help her, but got caught red handed and Ramsay scared him into telling the truth (really, who wouldn't be?).

 easysauce wrote:
dear god... that review is longer then the espisode...

its like a nerdvana

You clearly don't know who they are, do you?

These people help GRRM edit his own books. When GRRM forgets the eye colour of an obscure character, or the gender of someone's horse (The Hound), they are the ones who remind him and correct him. They wrote the official Song Of Ice and Fire guidebook, "The World of Ice and Fire". After GRRM himself, Elio Garcia and Linda Antonsson are probably the two people in the world who know the most about the Ice and Fire universe.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-World-Ice-Fire-Westeros/dp/0007580916

Calling them Nerds is like calling the Pope a devout Christian.

lol hence "nerdvana"

Ie nirvana,

IE the highest level of nerd you can get! Besides, christian, catholic, same diff! its just like scotland and ireland

they do good work OBS and its really hard to keep continuity straight in works as they get larger.

these two have to have basically beat the entire internet of nerds at being a nerd, lest a character have blue eyes in the show vs brown in the book, which would lead to the internet exploding.


nerds a term of endearment to me,

its also a delicious snack!

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Theon didn't exactly go running to Ramsay blabbling everything. Ramsay already knew.

Remember that old lady who passed a message to Sansa and reminded her she still had friends in the North loyal to the Starks? Ramsay caught her, and flayed her. She didn't give Sansa up, but he knew something was going on. Somehow, Ramsay was waiting for Theon in the broken tower. Ramsay caught Theon in the act of trying to send a signal to Brienne. And once caught, the last thing Theon wanted was to be flayed again.

Sansa did get through to Theon, he was going to help her, but got caught red handed and Ramsay scared him into telling the truth (really, who wouldn't be?).

You sure? I looked at a few articles summing up last nights episode and they all seemed to be convinced Theon betrayed Sansa and went straight to Ramsay. Besides I thought the "broken tower" was the same place that Brandon was pushed off in the first episode by Jamie and had a big open window with no glass. Bad place to be be during a snowstorm.

From what Ramsey said when Theon walked in the door, I got the impression that Theon was helping sansa, but that ramsey already knew and was laying in wait.

 easysauce wrote:
From what Ramsey said when Theon walked in the door, I got the impression that Theon was helping sansa, but that ramsey already knew and was laying in wait.

Ok I just re-watched the scene it is very clear to me that Theon went to Ramsay not the broken tower. When Theon is in the courtyard he looks to the broken tower, they then do a reverse shot back at Theon through the window of the tower which has an open window with no glass so the snow is probably inside the tower. Then Theon climbs the steps and Ramsay is sitting in a clearly different tower with glass on the windows. Theon doesn't look surprised to me, Ramsay does asking "what it is it Reek?". Also the article on Forbes for the review of the episode seems to agree.

She is locked in her room when Reek brings her food. Bruises cover her arms. She begs the man who was once Theon to help her, makes him promise to light a candle in the tower so that someone will come to save her.

But instead he goes to his master, Ramsay.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/05/25/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-7-review-the-gift/

You guys seem to fallen for the obvious tease where they make you think that Theon is actually going to help Sansa by having him look at the tower in the distance and then we see him climbing some steps but it is a different tower.

Edit: Broken not old tower.

Just watched the episode - great improvement on last weeks so so one in our opinion and still a thousand times better than the books at this point !

The acting is really good and again casting is excellent - the writers should be comended in extracting the very few good plots from the turgid last books and making something of them.

I would agree that the Dorne bits were /are the weakest (well without Aria's story) - Bron is fun but it did seem to be an excuse for some T+A - again.
Sansa was well done and all made sense - Ramsey is just such a cool bad guy
Well Cersi is now reapig the whirlwind - be interesting how they resolve this as threats of armies and food supply are not likely to sway the High Septon it seems - need a faceless man I think.
Good bit with Stannis - interesting twist

SOooooo glad they didn't cop out like GRM and actually had Tyrion meet Dany - thank god - hopefully this will lead to interesting stuff -and she does not just throw them in jail.

Also if Dany listens to her lover about dealing with the Masters - that might quieten her city - as he said - you are either a butcher or meat.....

Reek is a traitor - a broken one who now knows his master.........

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
From what Ramsey said when Theon walked in the door, I got the impression that Theon was helping sansa, but that ramsey already knew and was laying in wait.

Ok I just re-watched the scene it is very clear to me that Theon went to Ramsay not the old tower. When Theon is in the courtyard he looks to the old tower, they then do a reverse shot back and reek through the window of the tower which has an open window with no glass so the snow is probably inside the tower. Then Theon climbs the steps and Ramsay is sitting in a clearly different tower with glass on the windows. Theon doesn't look surprised to me, Ramsay does asking "what it is it Reek?". Also the article on Forbes for the review of the episode seems to agree.

She is locked in her room when Reek brings her food. Bruises cover her arms. She begs the man who was once Theon to help her, makes him promise to light a candle in the tower so that someone will come to save her.

But instead he goes to his master, Ramsay.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/05/25/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-7-review-the-gift/

You guys seem to fallen for the obvious tease where they make you think that Theon is actually going to help Sansa by having him look at the tower in the distance and then we see him climbing some steps but it is a different tower.

I agree.

You can tell as soon Theon opens door; he isn't in the broken tower. The broken tower was burned out by a fire following a lightening strike 140 years ago and was never rebuilt. Ramsay was sitting, presumably enjoying a fine meal, in a fully furnished room awaiting Theon.

 Dr. What wrote:
I really wish people would stop saying Drogo raped Danaerys though. In both mediums, he makes sure she knows he can understand "no" and waits for her consent. He wasn't like the other Dothraki.

You an I were clearly watching different scenes. The book is a different matter. The Dothraki in the TV series were probably the worst thing about the first series. Rubbish one dimensional 'other' culture.

So um...

Noones talking about how..

You must have gotten something wrong, she is still waiting outside, claiming that Sansa is in danger...

 Compel wrote:
So um...

Noones talking about how..

Spoiler:

Brienne is dead? I thought there'd be a bigger thing about that, considering how long running a character she is and how she seemed to be holding a lot of cards. We don't even see how it happened.

That's not Brienne. Brienne is alive and well - she's not even in Winterfell, she's in or near the tavern outside Winterfell where Ros the red head whore worked. The woman Ramsay flayed was the old woman who speaks to Sansa and reassures her that the Starks still have loyal friends in the North. IIRC it was the old lady who passed on the message from Brienne to leave a candle in the window of the tower.

The old lady just happens to be blond too, which is probably why you're confused. Or Gray. I forget.

Ah, that makes much more sense...

Stupid night-time lighting...

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
From what Ramsey said when Theon walked in the door, I got the impression that Theon was helping sansa, but that ramsey already knew and was laying in wait.

Ok I just re-watched the scene it is very clear to me that Theon went to Ramsay not the old tower. When Theon is in the courtyard he looks to the old tower, they then do a reverse shot back and reek through the window of the tower which has an open window with no glass so the snow is probably inside the tower. Then Theon climbs the steps and Ramsay is sitting in a clearly different tower with glass on the windows. Theon doesn't look surprised to me, Ramsay does asking "what it is it Reek?". Also the article on Forbes for the review of the episode seems to agree.

She is locked in her room when Reek brings her food. Bruises cover her arms. She begs the man who was once Theon to help her, makes him promise to light a candle in the tower so that someone will come to save her.

But instead he goes to his master, Ramsay.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/05/25/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-7-review-the-gift/

You guys seem to fallen for the obvious tease where they make you think that Theon is actually going to help Sansa by having him look at the tower in the distance and then we see him climbing some steps but it is a different tower.

I agree.

You can tell as soon Theon opens door; he isn't in the broken tower. The broken tower was burned out by a fire following a lightening strike 140 years ago and was never rebuilt. Ramsay was sitting, presumably enjoying a fine meal, in a fully furnished room awaiting Theon.

Hmm now I think you are right, re watching it it does seem like a bit of a misdirection with the cuts to the towers, I couldnt tell the rooms apart but Ill take you for your word that its noticeably different inside.

things are wierd in the bolton household... I can see ramsey killing his father and pretty much anyone else at some point. Glad I never read the books, im starting to think this might be the one series where the show is the better of the two so should be watched first as opposed to things like the hobbit/LOTR