Game of Thrones - The Discussion! p 83 season 7 rumours[SPOILERS]

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**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Bromsy wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Seconding this. The first three books are very well-written and easily are the best piece of fantasy literature since Tolkien. Books 4 and 5, however, are bad. Really bad. Boring as hell, nothing happens at all. It's one of the reasons why the current TV season is the worst by a long shot, there just isn't much to work with.

Easily the best since Tolkien.... is generous.

Compel wrote:
I'm not going to agree or disagree but it is a commonly held enough belief. The only others that tend to be even held near the same level are 'The Dark Tower' and the Wheel Of Time series.

Well...Its probably the richest and most detailed universe since Tolkien.

**pretre**

If you're just going for detail and richness, WoT probably has it beat. WoT has too much detail and richness, imo.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Hulksmash wrote:
Barristan was a great swordsman. One of the best the 7 Kingdoms had ever seen. Emphasis on was.

He was unamored. He rushed to the aid of a friend/companion killing around a dozen men who appear to be in their prime that had just slaughtered a partrol of elite troops. I'd say they did just fine with that scene. Being amazing is no substitute for being massively outnumbered in real life.

As for him dying he was a moral compass when you're going to get another moral compass. Add in the fact that reasonably if Dany doesn't trust a Lannister AND Barristan is there to support that thought then Tyrion logically dies. This glaring issue is now resolved as she won't have a reinforcing opinion for her distrust.

Seems like pretty good story telling to me...

Also, how much do we truly know about the Sons of the Harpy? For all we know, they could include some of Meereen's elite troops, leading the resistance against Dany's occupation. Sort of like how members of the Iraqi military joined the insurgency when the army was demobilized and purged of Baathist supporters following the Iraq War. If we can assume that at least a few members of the mob that attacked Barristan and Grey Worm were themselves trained soldiers, then it makes at least a little more sense.

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pretre wrote:
If you're just going for detail and richness, WoT probably has it beat. WoT has too much detail and richness, imo.

Haven't read them. I'll take your word for it.

GRRM's universe is at least a strong contender for that.

**pretre**

Now that it is finished, Wheel of Time is worth a read.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

pretre wrote:
Now that it is finished, Wheel of Time is worth a read.

I'll just add that to the long list of books I'm already reading then.

Currently I'm reading The Originals (prequel novels based on the show) and some books by Patrick Rothfuss (The Name of the Wind).

**clamclaw**

Yeah I gotta agree, most of the characters left our were pretty useless and lame. The magic and fantasy are great and all, but zombies and glamouring? HBO has taken the show to a more medieval and gritty feel than a high fantasy adventure.

Plus Sansa filling in Lady Stonehearts roll is already pretty cool, I'm excited to see where they go with it.

**Mr Morden**

pretre wrote:
Now that it is finished, Wheel of Time is worth a read.

I read the first one and never read another............

prefer novels and worlds by

Trudi Caravan
Stephen Donaldson
Stephen Erikson
Terry Goodkind
Tanith Lee
Le Modesti
Michael Moorcock

**Asherian Command**

Mr Morden wrote:
pretre wrote:
Now that it is finished, Wheel of Time is worth a read.

I read the first one and never read another............

prefer novels and worlds by

Trudi Caravan
Stephen Donaldson
Stephen Erikson
Terry Goodkind
Tanith Lee
Le Modesti
Michael Moorcock

The Witcher Books are pretty good as well.

Or the White Rider series.

Or the Gortex and Felix books

Or Emily Rodda....

There are many better authors than George RR Martin.

**clamclaw**

Well, to be fair judging authors as good or bad is totally opinion based.

**Albatross**

clamclaw wrote:
Well, to be fair judging authors as good or bad is totally opinion based.

You say that as if all opinions are equal..

**easysauce**

Albatross wrote:
clamclaw wrote:
Well, to be fair judging authors as good or bad is totally opinion based.

You say that as if all opinions are equal..

they are all equal,

just some are more equal then others.

**Asherian Command**

clamclaw wrote:
Well, to be fair judging authors as good or bad is totally opinion based.

Well. To be honest if you have read Martin after the third book. You see the quality just drop and fall into an eternal fire.

**Baragash**

Mr Morden wrote:
pretre wrote:
Now that it is finished, Wheel of Time is worth a read.

I read the first one and never read another............

The first two are horribly derivative IMO, particularly the second one, if I hadn't got books 1-5 in a multi-buy sale I would never have made it past there. Book 10 is also challenging since it amounts to a massive summary of where all the characters have got to and the only thing of note happens in the last few pages. Overall though I think it's a great read. I'd put it ahead of GoT at the moment, though ofc GRRM could still pull it back with a strong finish.

In terms of detailed world building though, I don't recall reading anything as detailed as the Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steve Eriksen.

**Mr Morden**

clamclaw wrote:
Well, to be fair judging authors as good or bad is totally opinion based.

Very true - same as any art form - films, TV shows, paintings etc...............

In terms of detailed world building though, I don't recall reading anything as detailed as the Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steve Eriksen

Or the extent of the time period covered !

**Ratius**

I havent read the books but a few friends have said the series has diverged quite a bit from them this series. Is that correct? Is it a good or bad thing? I've found this season flat tbh, is that a result of?

**Mr Morden**

Ratius wrote:
I havent read the books but a few friends have said the series has diverged quite a bit from them this series. Is that correct? Is it a good or bad thing? I've found this season flat tbh, is that a result of?

Its a matter of opinion - I and all my friends think the recent season is an absolutely huge improvement on the last few books which none of us thought were good.

**clamclaw**

Albatross wrote:
clamclaw wrote:
Well, to be fair judging authors as good or bad is totally opinion based.

You say that as if all opinions are equal..

Can't tell if sarcastic or not... I'm going to go ahead and assume it's a joke then. Carry on!

**cincydooley**

Mr Morden wrote:
Ratius wrote:
I havent read the books but a few friends have said the series has diverged quite a bit from them this series. Is that correct? Is it a good or bad thing? I've found this season flat tbh, is that a result of?

Its a matter of opinion - I and all my friends think the recent season is an absolutely huge improvement on the last few books which none of us thought were good.

I agree with this. I think this season has been excellent thusfar, and is only going to get better over the last three episodes.

It's also a HUUUUUGE improvement over books 4&5....

**pretre**

Back on topic...

I love how the episode titles are messing with us. The Gift was especially amusing.

**Asherian Command**

pretre wrote:
Back on topic...

I love how the episode titles are messing with us. The Gift was especially amusing.

Yeah So far they have been quite well named and deceptive.

As they have been for a very long time.

**cincydooley**

pretre wrote:
Back on topic...

I love how the episode titles are messing with us. The Gift was especially amusing.

Lots of gifts given in this episode!

Aemon received the gift of a peaceful death.
Dany received the gift of Tyrion
Sansa received the gift of Clarity (she knows she's gonna have to do it herself, now)
Cercei received the gift of justice.

**angelofvengeance**

Mr Morden wrote:
pretre wrote:
Now that it is finished, Wheel of Time is worth a read.

I read the first one and never read another............

I read about a 3rd of the way through the first book and was immediately disheartened at reading the rest of the series when I saw how many books it went on for.

feth that.

Saying that though- AFFC and ADWD were a bit of a trudge to get through. Some interesting filler but it got so boring at times.

**Sigvatr**

cincydooley wrote:
pretre wrote:
Back on topic...

I love how the episode titles are messing with us. The Gift was especially amusing.

Lots of gifts given in this episode!

Aemon received the gift of a peaceful death.
Dany received the gift of Tyrion
Sansa received the gift of Clarity (she knows she's gonna have to do it herself, now)
Cercei received the gift of justice.

The viewer received the gift of a pointless TNA scene!

**Soladrin**

If I want to read Fantasy I go for Terry Pratchett, nothing else.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

I read books 1 - 3 in the space of a year, between seasons 1 and 2 of the show. On holiday in New York I chose to stay in the hotel room and continue reading Dance with Dragons p2 instead of going to see the 2013 Macy's Firework show with my parents and brother. In fact I think I read most of ADWD 2 over that 3 week holiday.

**cincydooley**

Sigvatr wrote:

The viewer received the gift of a pointless TNA scene!

I thought so too, until I listened to one of my GOT podcasts explain that she did it to quicken his heart rate to make the poison take effect sooner.

But, honestly, who cares. She's a lovely looking woman.

**pretre**

cincydooley wrote:
she did it to quicken his heart rate to make the poison take effect sooner.

I thought that was kind of obvious.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

cincydooley wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:

The viewer received the gift of a pointless TNA scene!

I thought so too, until I listened to one of my GOT podcasts explain that she did it to quicken his heart rate to make the poison take effect sooner.

But, honestly, who cares. She's a lovely looking woman.

The character's one redeeming feature?

**clamclaw**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:

The viewer received the gift of a pointless TNA scene!

I thought so too, until I listened to one of my GOT podcasts explain that she did it to quicken his heart rate to make the poison take effect sooner.

But, honestly, who cares. She's a lovely looking woman.

The character's one redeeming feature?

The most... beautiful women ever seen one might say?

Overall I think the Sand Snakes are portrayed kinda lane. Idk, maybe its the accents or the way they kind of paraded them one by one for their introductions.

**cincydooley**

pretre wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
she did it to quicken his heart rate to make the poison take effect sooner.

I thought that was kind of obvious.

When the mentioned it I was like, "duh!"

But I think I was too busy staring at those perfect chest orbs and wasn't thinking clearly. (I've got an infant and it's been....a California 2015...)