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 ImAGeek wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Well, isn't there a relationship between "The Stranger" and the Many Faced Gods?

The "Horn of Jormund" has been mentioned quite a few times as being in the north and able to destroy the wall.

Not in the Show that I recall? Or did I miss that?

Nope not been shown yet. Euron hasn't yet (or just doesn't have it for the show) revealed it.

That's a different horn isn't it? Eurons horn is to control the dragons.

Well...thats the common assumption. But theres a fan theory that suggests the two horns might be one and the same, or that Euron has the wrong horn and mistakenly believes it to be a Dragon Horn, and so when he blows it nothing will happen...except the Wall collapsing.

It was blown though, and the walls still standing.

Sorry getting confused here. Lol.

...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

 ImAGeek wrote:
It was blown though, and the walls still standing.

I don't think that was the horn mate.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It was blown though, and the walls still standing.

I don't think that was the horn mate.

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 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Probably not, no.

Its probably there as a dues ex machina.

or is just yet another plot strand ignored by the author who is drowning under metric tons of plot and character bloat.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It was blown though, and the walls still standing.

I don't think that was the horn mate.

Spoiler:

The dragon horn was blown at the Kingsmoot. SCE said that it's a theory that it's the Horn of Winter and when Euron blows it the wall will fall, but it already has been blown and the wall is still standing, so it can't be.

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 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Probably not, no.

Well, it could be that the horn has a effective range. Like, you have to be at the wall to collapse.
It doesn't seem logical that you can blow a horn and destroy a wall across the country.

er magic?

I quite like the idea that someone finds it in a junk shop, gives it to his kids to play with and thousands of miles away the entire wall collapses

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 Mr Morden wrote:
er magic?

I quite like the idea that someone finds it in a junk shop, gives it to his kids to play with and thousands of miles away the entire wall collapses

The fact that the horn is allegedly able to destroy the wall a close range is magical enough.
You might as well say that Beric Dondarrion / John Snow should be immortal with no priest, because limitless magic.

If you think about it, if it had unlimited range then the wall would have collapsed along time ago, as someone, somewhere, had to have blown it at some point.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
It was blown though, and the walls still standing.

I don't think that was the horn mate.

Spoiler:

The dragon horn was blown at the Kingsmoot. SCE said that it's a theory that it's the Horn of Winter and when Euron blows it the wall will fall, but it already has been blown and the wall is still standing, so it can't be.

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 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Probably not, no.

Well, it could be that the horn has a effective range. Like, you have to be at the wall to collapse.
It doesn't seem logical that you can blow a horn and destroy a wall across the country.

Yeah, but then if the theory is that he'll go to blow it to control the dragons and the wall will collapse, considering the horn is en route to Mereen, Mereen is further from the wall than the Iron Islands are. I don't see it really.

 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Which would imply that the Legend of Joramun's horn is nothing but a red herring, propaganda invented by an ancient Wildling king to persuade the Wildlings to rally to his cause.

Perhaps it was the White Walkers who built the Wall (with it being a big magical wall of ice, and them being ice demons), and they can actually get through or destroy it on a whim.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Which would imply that the Legend of Joramun's horn is nothing but a red herring, propaganda invented by an ancient Wildling king to persuade the Wildlings to rally to his cause.

Perhaps it was the White Walkers who built the Wall (with it being a big magical wall of ice, and them being ice demons), and they can actually get through or destroy it on a whim.

That is one of the theories I think, that the wall wasn't build by men to keep the White Walkers out the 7 Kingdoms, but instead was build by the White Walkers to keep men out of the North.

 d-usa wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Which would imply that the Legend of Joramun's horn is nothing but a red herring, propaganda invented by an ancient Wildling king to persuade the Wildlings to rally to his cause.

Perhaps it was the White Walkers who built the Wall (with it being a big magical wall of ice, and them being ice demons), and they can actually get through or destroy it on a whim.

That is one of the theories I think, that the wall wasn't build by men to keep the White Walkers out the 7 Kingdoms, but instead was build by the White Walkers to keep men out of the North.

Which is a pretty awesome theory I think. The 7 Kingdom's are actually much more vulnerable than the Night's Watch and even Jon Snow himself realises. The White Walkers could attack at any moment if the Wall is no obstacle.

Yeah, I've written a big theory on that before. It did include the Horn in the theory.

Basically, the idea was that the Nights Watch are not "Roman Centurians" at Hadrians Wall but their original goal was actually more akin to UN Peacekeepers at a Demilitarised Zone.

The Horn was essentially part of the treaty as an insurance policy. The Others would only agree to helping construct the wall, if, when the worst came to the worst, they had the means to destroy it. However, that choice is not something to be taken lightly.

Craster and Crasters Keep also factors heavily into my theory. The whole thing about Craster sacrificing his male children to the Walkers is actually the "Right" thing to do.

The White Walkers being, well, White Walkers, are unable to procreate like humans are. Their only means to do so are the sacrifices. Part of the 'deal' that led to the peace after the original White Walker invasion was humanity could only live in the North if they sacrificed their first born to the Walkers.

Ultimately the "Free Folk" aren't called that because they're escaping the Lords of the South. No they real reason they're called that is because they declared their freedom from the White Walkers. - Who wants to sacrifice their kids after all.

However, now, hundreds and hundreds of years later after the wildlings 'freedom' the White Walkers have basically grown desperate. - Their race is facing extinction and they have no choice... It's either war, or extinction.

Part of this theory was also that the "Nights King" being a former member of the Nights Watch was part of the peace treaty. Perhaps something along the lines of, it was a mechanism where 'humanity' was part of the White Walkers, however that erodes over time and eventually a new Nights King is required to keep the peace. So, my ending of "A Song of Ice and Fire" is that, ultimately, Jon Snow, as the child of Ice and Fire, having experienced both sides in his life, will become the new Nights King.

Therefore the end of Game of Thrones isn't about Good triumphing over Evil, but instead a tale of the return of Stability. A Targaryen in Kings Landing once more, a Stark in Winterfell. A Lannister in Lannisport etc

However, we're left with the question at the end of the series. Will the peace hold this time?

Thats a pretty common theory that does the rounds. I saw it years ago on the ASOIAF forums and I've reposted it here myself I think.

Although the point about the Free Folk declaring their freedom from the White Walkers, not the South, is new to me. Thats pretty cool.

 Compel wrote:
Yeah, I've written a big theory on that before. It did include the Horn in the theory.

Basically, the idea was that the Nights Watch are not "Roman Centurians" at Hadrians Wall but their original goal was actually more akin to UN Peacekeepers at a Demilitarised Zone.

The Horn was essentially part of the treaty as an insurance policy. The Others would only agree to helping construct the wall, if, when the worst came to the worst, they had the means to destroy it. However, that choice is not something to be taken lightly.

Craster and Crasters Keep also factors heavily into my theory. The whole thing about Craster sacrificing his male children to the Walkers is actually the "Right" thing to do.

The White Walkers being, well, White Walkers, are unable to procreate like humans are. Their only means to do so are the sacrifices. Part of the 'deal' that led to the peace after the original White Walker invasion was humanity could only live in the North if they sacrificed their first born to the Walkers.

Ultimately the "Free Folk" aren't called that because they're escaping the Lords of the South. No they real reason they're called that is because they declared their freedom from the White Walkers. - Who wants to sacrifice their kids after all.

However, now, hundreds and hundreds of years later after the wildlings 'freedom' the White Walkers have basically grown desperate. - Their race is facing extinction and they have no choice... It's either war, or extinction.

Part of this theory was also that the "Nights King" being a former member of the Nights Watch was part of the peace treaty. Perhaps something along the lines of, it was a mechanism where 'humanity' was part of the White Walkers, however that erodes over time and eventually a new Nights King is required to keep the peace. So, my ending of "A Song of Ice and Fire" is that, ultimately, Jon Snow, as the child of Ice and Fire, having experienced both sides in his life, will become the new Nights King.

Therefore the end of Game of Thrones isn't about Good triumphing over Evil, but instead a tale of the return of Stability. A Targaryen in Kings Landing once more, a Stark in Winterfell. A Lannister in Lannisport etc

However, we're left with the question at the end of the series. Will the peace hold this time?

Aye there must always be a captain of davy jone's locker.

ARGHHH

Sorry to hate on your theory.... But... I hate that theory.

Why not they are looking to reproduce and ensure their survivability? Otherwise the other way is EXTREMELY cliched. And Martin is willing to avoid that ending completely, because it is so common in fiction.


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 Alpharius wrote:
...which leads me to believe neither will be making it into the show?

Sam found a horn with the obsidian glass daggers when he was at the fist of the first men, it is widely believed that the horn is the Horn of Winter.

And yes THAT was in the show.

Good point Asherian. Forgot about that.

Hopefully the books don't paint the White Walkers as evil like the show seems to be doing.

They have their own language and George intended for the entire third book in his planned trilogy to be exploring their culture.

 Asherian Command wrote:


Sam found a horn with the obsidian glass daggers when he was at the fist of the first men, it is widely believed that the horn is the Horn of Winter.

And yes THAT was in the show.

Has it been seen or mentioned again?

Because I think Sam - and everyone else, including the writers - have forgotten about it.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:


Sam found a horn with the obsidian glass daggers when he was at the fist of the first men, it is widely believed that the horn is the Horn of Winter.

And yes THAT was in the show.

Has it been seen or mentioned again?

Because I think Sam - and everyone else, including the writers - have forgotten about it.

The Dragonglass cache that Sam found might have included a horn, but its never been addressed on the show to my knowledge, therefore its not canon for the show. No characters have ever talked about the "Horn of Joramund" legend, therefore it does not exist.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:


Sam found a horn with the obsidian glass daggers when he was at the fist of the first men, it is widely believed that the horn is the Horn of Winter.

And yes THAT was in the show.

Has it been seen or mentioned again?

Because I think Sam - and everyone else, including the writers - have forgotten about it.

The Dragonglass cache that Sam found might have included a horn, but its never been addressed on the show to my knowledge, therefore its not canon for the show. No characters have ever talked about the "Horn of Joramund" legend, therefore it does not exist.

He did find a horn.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:


Sam found a horn with the obsidian glass daggers when he was at the fist of the first men, it is widely believed that the horn is the Horn of Winter.

And yes THAT was in the show.

Has it been seen or mentioned again?

Because I think Sam - and everyone else, including the writers - have forgotten about it.

The Dragonglass cache that Sam found might have included a horn, but its never been addressed on the show to my knowledge, therefore its not canon for the show. No characters have ever talked about the "Horn of Joramund" legend, therefore it does not exist.

Agreed - it may be used as aplot device but unti it is it doesn't exist as amgic horn rather than just an old horn

Though saying that - was it with all the dragonglass weapons that got lost when the undead attacked the wildlings?

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:


Sam found a horn with the obsidian glass daggers when he was at the fist of the first men, it is widely believed that the horn is the Horn of Winter.

And yes THAT was in the show.

Has it been seen or mentioned again?

Because I think Sam - and everyone else, including the writers - have forgotten about it.

The Dragonglass cache that Sam found might have included a horn, but its never been addressed on the show to my knowledge, therefore its not canon for the show. No characters have ever talked about the "Horn of Joramund" legend, therefore it does not exist.

He did find a horn.

Spoiler:

I already acknowledged that. But it is just a horn. It is not the Horn of Joramund.

Thats a plot thread which the show has not bothered to include. Theres been no set up, no foreshadowing, no discussion of the Legend and the implications of what the Horn could do. If the Show runners were planning to have the Horn legend on the show, then the time to introduce it as a plot point would have been when Jon meets Mance Rayder in his camp for the first time - Mance would have boasted about having a Horn that could destroy the Wall.

Therefore, the "Horn of Joramund" is not canon for the show, Sam merely found a regular horn. I suspect the show runners may have added that horn in the cache in Season 2 with the intention of doing the HoJ plot hook in a a later Season, then later abandoned the idea, just like they've abandoned lots of ideas.

Yeah, there are many things from the books that just don't seem to be "things" for the show. Frankly I'm expecting an ending in the show that's quite different from what we get in the books (more "Hollywood," to be specific).


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 Compel wrote:


Eventually she'll be defeated by the Tyrells (I like the idea someone had of Jaime being the one that kills her).

Some fans think that Jaime is Azor Ahai, and that this action will fulfill the Nissa Nissa legend. Of course, Brienne could figure here too.

Personally I'm hoping for Jon to ignite Lightbringer in Daenerys for that sweet -- erm, I mean bittersweet -- ending that GRRM has always talked about.

Yeah, there are many things from the books that just don't seem to be "things" for the show. Frankly I'm expecting an ending in the show that's quite different from what we get in the book

Any ending to the books is shall we say hopeful.

The show has less time to explore plot deadends tbh - they only have what 12 or 18 hours left? Lots to do. No time for constant plot bloat.

Tonight is going to be interesting

Someone and I are going to enjoy the show.

And the burning

Thats a fun vid

 Mr Morden wrote:
Thats a fun vid

...

I wonder what the big cliffhanger ending will be tonight?

Pure speculation:

Kings Landing going 'Boom!' but we won't know for sure who lives and who dies?

The White Walkers breaching The Wall?

Euron's fleet finding his niece and nephew - and Danny's - fleet?

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Any big deaths rumored for the Season 6 finale?

Not heard anything but not been looking.

Not sure if they would do more North or Dany bits but hard to know.

Lets see - Jamie is heading home - unless they just do a time skip and he is back.
Could do a Brienee bit - maybe she wonders into the Brothers without Banners camp.

We really need the Mountain to fulfill his potential I feel - bit of a let down so far.

The wildfyre theory seems possible - could kill off half the cast and one location if they want to cut the budget ?

Perhaps its a epsiode just focussing on the exciting lives of those on still alive in Dorne - maybe not.