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 Melissia wrote:
This thread certainly ballooned fast!

I am low on funds (plus a little disappointed that they're all male, but money is the main issue), so I can't really justify this. But I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with these. Could definitely see Karists as stormtroopers...

It wouldn't be hard to do some female conversions (with some of the models, all it would take would be a headswap). Yakface and Lego have both said there will be no boobplate miniatures though (thankfully), so you don't have to worry about that. Unless you're into that, in which case there are a bazillion options out there that could be used for conversion fodder when combined with the Maelstrom's Edge sprues.

Are the heads separate from the models?

There are sprue pics in the op (on my mobile atm)

 Melissia wrote:
Are the heads separate from the models?

Yes, they are all multipart plastic sprues so conversion should be pretty straightforward.

 Hordini wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Are the heads separate from the models?

Yes, they are all multipart plastic sprues so conversion should be pretty straightforward.

WEll that's something, at least. Would take a bit of work to make the shoulders and waists not look masculine, but at least a headswap would be easy.

 Melissia wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Are the heads separate from the models?

Yes, they are all multipart plastic sprues so conversion should be pretty straightforward.

WEll that's something, at least. Would take a bit of work to make the shoulders and waists not look masculine, but at least a headswap would be easy.

Yes, and with the ones in plate armor (I'm thinking the Karists, primarily) you might be able to get away with not changing the shoulders and waists too much. The Epirians would take some more work, particularly because their arms are all pretty big.

MLaw wrote:Cool, I have the 48h reminder on too. I'll have a read when I get a little more free time.
The other aspect of my concern was the symmetrical feel. Side A brings guys with assault rifles and drones so side B brings the same. Not particularly exciting at face value. Same with the nature of the sprues. They look very much like rank and file dudesmen. They look good as RnF but perhaps they could stand some more personalization or whatever. If you already have the sprues (which it kinda seems that way), then you probably can't do anything about that but in almost every other skirmish game out there, the guys have a bit more individual character.

I'll look over the KS page again too but is there anywhere we can get a feel for the game mechanics? I mentioned Deadzone earlier and it's largest disappointment for me was the game play (and the restic but whatever). I hope to see this succeed though and I will likely pledge even if just to show a bit of support, you guys rock!

Hopefully you've seen the rules preview PDF available on the Kickstarter page, but that doesn't cover at all the faction special rules to any degree. Some of that will be revealed as Kickstarter updates as the campaign progresses, but I can assure you that each faction does play differently from each other. The Epirians rely on longer ranged shooting and use their Bot Handlers to jack into their bot units and activate their special rules. The Karists tend to have shorter ranged shooting and need to get closer to do their damage. They also have Commune Reactors that allow them to remain calm under fire in the short term at the cost of putting extra suppression on themselves later...not to mention the Angels and Kaddar Nova that each have all kinds of interesting gameplay options.

However, ultimately it is a game about infantry fighting infantry. But it is a game about smaller squads with more options fighting other small squads, something that isn't a focus of very many games in Sci-Fi, but still, if you're tired of infantry fighting infantry and looking for something radically different, this isn't it on that front.

I might be way of base here, but on first glance the core mechanics seem very similar to Beyond the Gates of Antares (or however you spell that), or at least the draft rules I had looked at awhile back.

From a rules stand point what makes it different? I think maybe a play through or mini demo might be useful as just the english text sometimes hides big difference in how things play out on the board.

full disclaimer, I have not gotten a chance to run through some sample scenarios yet to play with the rules yet. Also my memory might be bad on this one, so if that is the case be accept my apologies.

Apologies if I've missed this...

What size board do you expect it to be played on for a 20-30 figure game? 6'x4' or more like 4'x4'or less?

I want to say thanks for making the Game Only pledge level. Buying more minis could end in divorce, but I can probably get away with a new rulebook and accessories.

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
But I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with these.

I'm guessing they'll use them for MEdge.

I have no idea what that means

MEdge = Maelstrom's Edge. I.e. Maybe people will just use them for the game they come with.

That seems wildly optimistic.

I plan to use mine the way an eight year old uses green army men.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
But I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with these.

I'm guessing they'll use them for MEdge.

I have no idea what that means

MEdge = Maelstrom's Edge. I.e. Maybe people will just use them for the game they come with.

That seems wildly optimistic.

I plan to use mine the way an eight year old uses green army men.

Well, at the end of the day, miniatures are basically just green army men for older kids and adults.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
But I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with these.

I'm guessing they'll use them for MEdge.

I have no idea what that means

MEdge = Maelstrom's Edge. I.e. Maybe people will just use them for the game they come with.

That seems wildly optimistic.

I plan to use mine the way an eight year old uses green army men.

Set em up and make "pew pew" noises? That's what I use most of my models for.

I love dakka but I am a bit disappointed by the generic look of the models. :-( But i will pledge anyway =)

I like the religious guys. The standard marine trooper guys look a bit basic and blocky, as do the walking robots. Drones are great. Not too thrilled by the background just yet, more interested in the rules and terrain or any other factons that are unlocked in the middle of the campaign.

Question on the stretch goals.

If the terrain is unlocked, how many sprues will backers receive?

 cincydooley wrote:
It's a tough pill to swallow when the starter box is only $20 less than the markedly superior Dark Vengence box that includes 19 more models.....

The value of a game is based on far more than just the number of models in it.

 bbb wrote:
I'm excited about the project, but slightly worried about there being no central location where they team is located.

In this day and age of interweb sorcery, it's not that hard to set up a business that functions without everyone needing to be sitting in the same room.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

I plan to use mine the way an eight year old uses green army men.

Find a lighter and melt them all into one ginormous army man?

Um. No, I never did that, either.

But yeah, this is pretty much all toys, and I mean that in the best possible
way. Fancy cars are toys, cell phones are toys, and all kinds of models are
toys. I imagine that people who use them the most will play MEdge. Others
will kitbash for guardsmen, and still others will just kind of tool around with
them for various projects. I think the drones will get the most use outside of
the odd Imperial Guard army.

But we haven't seen it all yet as far as I can tell.

 Ozymandias wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
But I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with these.

I'm guessing they'll use them for MEdge.

I have no idea what that means

MEdge = Maelstrom's Edge. I.e. Maybe people will just use them for the game they come with.

That seems wildly optimistic.

I plan to use mine the way an eight year old uses green army men.

Set em up and make "pew pew" noises? That's what I use most of my models for.

You are a kindred spirit. That is pretty much all I use models for these days.

Are we supposed to pretend we're actually going to play the game?


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 devilution wrote:
I love dakka but I am a bit disappointed by the generic look of the models. :-( But i will pledge anyway =)

Build an army of drones and baby Angels. Not generic at all.


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 insaniak wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
It's a tough pill to swallow when the starter box is only $20 less than the markedly superior Dark Vengence box that includes 19 more models.....

The value of a game is based on far more than just the number of models in it.
m.

Are we supposed to pretend that's true on kickstarter?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Are we supposed to pretend that's true on kickstarter?

Why wouldn't you? You're not buying a box of miniatures (well, unless you're going for the 'minis only' pledge)... you're buying a game that has miniatures in it. But it also has a bunch of other stuff... and if the kickstarter goes well (which is looking pretty likely at this point), it will also have more miniatures than it does now, and the terrain sprue.

Does anyone know how much the paperbacks are at salute tomorrow?

Ideally kickstarter is "not a store", though I understand how and why
the community has treated it as such. People have ideas and business
models that other people want to see launched. Maybe I'm naive to
not have treated kickstarters as stores but as business models I'd be
interested in seeing existing in the world.

 Fraggle wrote:
Does anyone know how much the paperbacks are at salute tomorrow?

I've not seen it mentioned, but the kindle versions are around £4 so I'd guess a bit more than that since they've had to do a limited print run which tends to be expensive

 insaniak wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Are we supposed to pretend that's true on kickstarter?

Why wouldn't you? You're not buying a box of miniatures (well, unless you're going for the 'minis only' pledge)... you're buying a game that has miniatures in it. But it also has a bunch of other stuff... and if the kickstarter goes well (which is looking pretty likely at this point), it will also have more miniatures than it does now, and the terrain sprue.

Well....reads blood rage thread.... Are you sure?

Does the "other stuff" matter that much when comparing to the value found in dark Vengence? I mean, DV comes with all that other "stuff" too, so I think comparing the count and quality of the models is entirely reasonable.

Additionally, I hate this notion that people should be okay with a KS not being worth it initially but "building value" through stretch goals that may not come. KSes, to me, should be "worth it" immediately and should only get better. They shouldn't have to rely on stretch goals to be "worth it."

A question for the makers, when they're not too busy to answer:

Why is it that the Karists seem to be more technologically advanced than the Epirians? Is there some story background explaining their mastery of cybel technologies like teleporting, advanced laser weaponry, power armor, etc?

The Epirians have a corporate background, and the wealth usually associated with that will most likely show up in the form of the hunters and scarecrows. But so far the drones are retro-fitted cropdusters etc., and the guns they use seem to be more traditional projectile-based. Why doesn't a corporate-descended foundation have the money to train elite soldiers and / or hire mercenaries rather than just draft engineers, and why can't they outfit them with the latest tech? How do the Karists have better R&D and weapons / armor production than the people who (presumably) ran the factories, invested in new tech, and paid the scientists?

 malfred wrote:
Ideally kickstarter is "not a store",

I don't see this said often enough.

This is the third item I've pledged to support (One was canceled. I backed out of one due to sudden financial situation. Third is this current one) and I've viewed it as "investing in an idea" with the physical items being the "thank you for helping make this happen". It's great to see so many independent companies getting financial funding from their supporters, but I think the amount of Big Name developers using it has helped move the view from "investing in an idea" to "pre-ordering a product".

Haven't read every page here, but can anyone give some insight on the two novels? I'm not a huge fan of reading on electronic devices, but if someone can give me a thumbs up or thumbs down on them I'll be purchasing.

Thanks.

 insaniak wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Are we supposed to pretend that's true on kickstarter?

Why wouldn't you? You're not buying a box of miniatures (well, unless you're going for the 'minis only' pledge)... you're buying a game that has miniatures in it. But it also has a bunch of other stuff... and if the kickstarter goes well (which is looking pretty likely at this point), it will also have more miniatures than it does now, and the terrain sprue.

I thought that was just the little white lie we tell all the poor saps who spend hours writing and testing rule sets that won't last 5 years..?

I'm buying the game for the miniatures and/or the background. That's it. That's all I'll buy into any kickstarter for. And that's only because I have a personality flaw where I like to read background supplements.

I think it;s a pretty big assumption that the miniatures are not the big draw here. There's certainly been some ambivalent feelings towards the rules. I'd wager a mantic $1 pledge that most people are planning to use these minis in other games if they use them for games at all.

 cincydooley wrote:
Does the "other stuff" matter that much when comparing to the value found in dark Vengence? I mean, DV comes with all that other "stuff" too, so I think comparing the count and quality of the models is entirely reasonable.

Dark Vengeance comes with miniatures, a sprue of 3 plastic templates, and a rulebook which (even comments about the standard of the rules aside) doesn't actually give you all of the rules you need to play the game.

MEdge comes with miniatures, a set of 3 full-colour printed cardboard templates, a whole slew of full-colour printed markers and suppression markers, and a complete set of the games rules.

And if the Kickstarter does well enough, will also include the terrain.

That, and it's a game... so a certain amount of value determination comes from the quality of the game rules themselves. A game could have more miniatures than you can poke a stick, of a quality that makes you weep tears of blood from their sheer beauty... and it would still be let down by a ruleset that is incomplete and/or not properly functional.


Comparing the count and quality of the miniatures is most certainly reasonable... but it's a bit odd to use it as the sole criteria for determining the value of the box.

Over 200 backers and about 18K now! Let's get this funded so I can stop checking the page for a bit at least

I'll be happy to swap all of the tiles, templates, boards, markers, cards and chits that come with the game for 2 sprues of drones.

Any takers?