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the shrouded lord wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:
courtesy of snrub : {url=http://www.maelstromsedge.com/ks]{img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/4/24/707626_md-.jpg[/img][/url] Just replace the the two { with two [ for the banner in my sig.

Well.... Actually courtesy of Yakface.

I made one for myself, he vastly improved on it. As he is want to do.

*hisses loudly and tosses glitter in the air*

*pop* *pop* as champagne corks fly

DrRansom wrote:It might be a good idea to film some gameplay from Salute, gives the game a bit of hype?

Also, I'd like to see a gameplay video.

Would love to see the game in play too

 Vertrucio wrote:
It is a little weird to hear them talking about being hard scifi, but then talk about space cults and a magical space vortex eating the galaxy. But that's the same for all scifi with fantastical elements.

The maelstrom isn't magic... Just unexplained.

 insaniak wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
It is a little weird to hear them talking about being hard scifi, but then talk about space cults and a magical space vortex eating the galaxy. But that's the same for all scifi with fantastical elements.

The maelstrom isn't magic... Just unexplained.

We have an explanation for the Maelstrom, we just don't want to reveal all the mystery just yet...

Final preparations before they open the doors at Salute:

*tries to zoom in on the models in the picture*

Want those books so bad

These books?

 d-usa wrote:
*tries to zoom in on the models in the picture*

Have you contributed to the sequel to this movie on indiegogo? Everyone should!

I wanna know who is who i the photo?

 the shrouded lord wrote:
I wanna know who is who i the photo?

Well, the guy sitting down looks the most like Sean Connery of the bunch, so he must be Yakface.

If the one on the left isn't Legoburner, I'll go Oi!.

He looks like a computer programmer if ever there was one.

 cincydooley wrote:

Does the "other stuff" matter that much when comparing to the value found in dark Vengence? I mean, DV comes with all that other "stuff" too, so I think comparing the count and quality of the models is entirely reasonable.

Additionally, I hate this notion that people should be okay with a KS not being worth it initially but "building value" through stretch goals that may not come. KSes, to me, should be "worth it" immediately and should only get better. They shouldn't have to rely on stretch goals to be "worth it."

I'm with you there. The value of the box certainly isn't there for me at this point in time, and may not arrive at all. (Especially since I'm not at all taken with most of the models.) I certainly won't back it "just to support Dakka." - That's what my years of DCM have been for (and hasn't required anything to be mailed out to me either). Still, I won't be doing the usual KS thing that I do and criticising the campaign in this thread. I'll mostly be lurking and simply making the occasional comment.

So if this is "hard sci-fi" we aren't going to see Lovecraftian horrors from beyond the dark edge of the Maelstrom?

The terrain looks excellent btw.

 darrkespur wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
It is a little weird to hear them talking about being hard scifi, but then talk about space cults and a magical space vortex eating the galaxy. But that's the same for all scifi with fantastical elements.

The maelstrom isn't magic... Just unexplained.

We have an explanation for the Maelstrom, we just don't want to reveal all the mystery just yet...

While I said it's weird, it wasn't really a serious criticism.

Whether it's cybel, mass effect, reapers, or maelstrom (or star baby, monolith, etc), that sort of stuff I consider space magic in fiction. It's the fun thing that splits the setting off from really limited hard scifi, leaving room for more creative flexibility. I don't really care about definitions of hard scifi, just that using "hard" scifi as a marketing line, while still having this level of space magic is a bit silly and usually gets on the nerves of other types.

 SteveGaskell wrote:
These books?

Yeah those ones. If I PayPal you the money for the books and postage could I get copies?

 TP^DC Deputy Manager wrote:

 SteveGaskell wrote:
These books?

Yeah those ones. If I PayPal you the money for the books and postage could I get copies?

PM legoburner, he's said that any unsold copies may be available to dakka-ites who want to buy them so the sooner you're on the 'list' the better our chances there'll be one for you

Lego's on the left, yak in the middle, and I'm guessing Steve Gaskell is either sitting down or behind the camera? Those books look really attractive, nicely done!

Realy liking the terrain pieces for this.

Trying to see if there are any previously unknown models in the display case *hunter*cough*hunter*.

Don't see any mechs but the bottom middle one seems new. I don't know if it's terrain or a spacecraft or what.

Hang on, if terrain is so important in this game, why is the display table an open desert?

Great job on it, but is it really representative of a typical game setup?

Because they want to show what you'll be able to do with the box as it is?

(it's all very well putting together a fancy board but I've seen plenty of new gamers very disappointed when they've bought Dark Vengeance or one of the PP boxes and realised there is none of the flash terrain they've seen games 'in store' played on. They feel cheated and don't come back)

or perhaps it's still being set up when the photo was taken

 Alex C wrote:
Hang on, if terrain is so important in this game, why is the display table an open desert?

Great job on it, but is it really representative of a typical game setup?

I would imagine it is to make the gameplay easier to explain. I'm sure, without cover, the game would be over in a turn or two with massive slaughters on both sides.

It would be far less tactical and less fun. But having no cover shows exactly how to shoot stuff, run form stuff, and otherwise show of the game's ruleset.

But that's just this MechWarrior's opinion

 Alex C wrote:
Hang on, if terrain is so important in this game, why is the display table an open desert?

Great job on it, but is it really representative of a typical game setup?

It's definitely more of a display to show off the models, it's difficult to play a full game with thousands of people coming by to chat about it!

 SteveGaskell wrote:
Final preparations before they open the doors at Salute:

Lego, yakface, seated is test photo guy (I'm kidding, darkespurr maybe?)

Seated guy is stormphoenix!

 Vertrucio wrote:
Whether it's cybel, mass effect, reapers, or maelstrom (or star baby, monolith, etc), that sort of stuff I consider space magic in fiction. It's the fun thing that splits the setting off from really limited hard scifi, leaving room for more creative flexibility. I don't really care about definitions of hard scifi, just that using "hard" scifi as a marketing line, while still having this level of space magic is a bit silly and usually gets on the nerves of other types.

It's a little hard for writers to plan to not annoy people who choose to apply their own definitions to things before actually waiting to hear the full story,

Labeling something as 'Hard' scifi doesn't actually mean that every aspect of the story needs to be verifiable by current (or any) science, just that the setting is largely grounded in real world science.

And it seems somewhat of a stretch to make the call that the Maelstrom is not based on 'hard' science before they explain what it actually is.

Damnit Jim, I'm an engineer, not a theorist.

But here's my shot at it.

If you believe the big bang theory created the universe, then what's to say the Maelstrom isn't a natural part of it. I know when a Nuke goes off you have the initial radiation and shockwave. What if that created planets and life? And now, the Maelstrom is simply the mushroom cloud of fire following the shockwave?

Whatever the reasoning behind it, I hated it at first. but as I listen to the stories, and read more about it. I am starting to like the idea of this "inescapable Death". Fluff wise, it gives a reason for every faction to fight every faction. Including themselves.

im a little surprised that the minis aren't painted...

The display ones are. The ones people are handling aren't.

 Medium of Death wrote:
So if this is "hard sci-fi" we aren't going to see Lovecraftian horrors from beyond the dark edge of the Maelstrom?.

In a way I think they have shown some Lovecraftian elements with the Angels. Yeah, maybe not from beyond the edge of the maelstrom, but they still have that cosmic nightmare look.