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 cincydooley wrote:
It's a bit disheartening to read that so many people think "it could be a good model....once we kitbash it." Maybe I'm crazy, but that doesn't seem to me that we should have to kitbash a kit to make it good.....

Especially such a strongly organic model. I'd hate to think of how much of the model you'd need to resculpt to make it flow right, if you want a more dynamic pose. Machines are much easier - at worst, you only need to reposition a piston.

It does state the Angel is some sort of mix. Not quite biological, not quite mechanical.

So any sort of Kitbash doesn't always have to 'flow'.

Yes, the implication that you have to Kitbash a standard model to improve it seems like a hassle. Especially if you need multiple. So far, only the big robots have caught my eye but not enough to make me open my wallet. Nothing else revealed is really that interesting or inspiring to me as yet...

 TP^DC Deputy Manager wrote:
I believe there are plans for an end of campaign co-promotion or something.

Weird time to have a promotion. Right now or, even better, a few days ago at the latest would have been better. So far, this has stalled and has now started bleeding away money. 3 out of the last 4 days has seen the pledge total turn negative:



So, unless they do have something up their sleeves (which feels less and less likely as this goes on), this will keep bleeding away funds as people put money elsewhere such as what happened with Gates of Antares or Thon (remember that one?). I saw mention of other factions but with Soon™, Under Wraps™ or 7 year plan™ being put out and nothing else really concrete, people aren't impressed and it shows. They need to put out concepts, details, etc while avoiding overly wordy posts. Get people enthused and excited. It feels like they are sticking to a scripted, rigid, pre-defined Kickstarter update plan and isn't really generating much excitement. The Angel should have been an early reveal but holding it till the last few days is risky considering the mixed reaction to it and it remains to be seen if it leads to an increase in funding. Looking at other Kickstarters, this last few days should see project goals being knocked over in short order, not slipping away to only fund with barely a whimper...

I don't know if I'd say they're "bleeding" funds, it's more of a long stall with a (albeit very) slight increase. Though I agree that I wish we had seen some of the other models. I think that's a perk of the digital imaging that a lot of other companies use. However, by comparison with some other Kickstarters that promised big, reaped in huge amounts of revenue, and haven't delivered (thinking of Robotech), I feel this Kickstarter is a solid and confident backing.

The angel is okay with me, not as impressive as the hunters or scarecrows, but I like it. I do wish as well that a lot of this stuff had been shown earlier, I think it could have resulted in a bigger draw in the beginning. Now people have made up their minds and don't bother checking back even when cool stuff (like the Hunters and Scarecrows) show up.

I might be giving the Angels double-duty as miniatures in my DE army, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

I think I'll change my vote to Hunter.

What happens if two models end up at exactly the same percentage?

We'll go by raw count which is stored but not shown. It is currently 100 for the Angel vs 102 for the hunter.

 Vanguard-13 wrote:
I didn't notice until now, the tokens in the game are square.

Does this mean they are compatible with Mod Cubes? Or is it simply a coincidence?

((I understand RiTides has the token artwork and will release a set of MEdge tokens at some point. but if MEdge's tokens ALREADY fit into mod cubes, That would be awesome!!))

 TP^DC Deputy Manager wrote:
I believe there are plans for an end of campaign co-promotion or something.

As lego noted, the stock tokens probably won't fit but I am indeed working on a MEdge-compatible set of ModCube tokens . Stay tuned next week!!

I think it is a missed opportunity that a more flowing creature could have benefitted by some socket-like joints.
It is outlined these creatures have a variable shape, those flowing lines will certainly push sculpting limits with heavy emphasis on filing (though careful sculpting may be the better way be how to get it nice).

The back fitting has a definite backpack look, I hope there is a purpose for it.

I guess the thought is the other models have good utility for modification while this big guy will be a challenge in comparison. The mold is made however, so this "critique" is pretty pointless.

 Talizvar wrote:
I guess the thought is the other models have good utility for modification while this big guy will be a challenge in comparison. The mold is made however, so this "critique" is pretty pointless.

Not at all. Your critique of the Angel may influence future products. I can't speak for SAS, but my view is that as long as it is honest and constructive, feedback is a good thing.

weeble1000 wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
I guess the thought is the other models have good utility for modification while this big guy will be a challenge in comparison. The mold is made however, so this "critique" is pretty pointless.

Not at all. Your critique of the Angel may influence future products. I can't speak for SAS, but my view is that as long as it is honest and constructive, feedback is a good thing.

Have you read this thread? Honest feedback, especially concerning any minis that have not been tooled yet, is OFF TOPIC. With red letters, even. Take it elsewhere, troublemaker.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Well, that... exists.

The only thing more neutral than your response is its pose. [/Zapp]



Once again I feel like the odd guy out, since I squeeed a little when I saw it. I love how it looks like a liquid. It has a very Babylon 5 ancient race/ 1990's CGI look to it that will keep it in my play rotation even when not engaged with the Maelstrom's Edge universe. It's hard to find an alien that looks both inhuman and very technologically dangerous, and the angel does both for me without that cyborg-zombie Sedition Wars look. It's a bit Vorlon and Shadow, a bit T-1000, a dash Species 8472, with a hint of Giger's Alien.

I plan to base it on a slightly-tilted surface so that it looms over any mini in front of it. I think that will make the pose less vertical, and thus less static-looking. The spare arms and spare minnow wings will be used to make an intermediate form, or something. I wonder how the minnow wings would look on the angel's 'backpack' or the forelimbs...

Bob, your first line is simply not true! I know that's become a meme here, but honestly, you can provide feedback in this thread, there is a ton in the dozen posts further up this page.

Personally, I do not like just the basic pose of the Angel... however, I think insaniak or Spiral Arm Studios will soon post the incredible work he has done with it, and being a plastic kit it is very easy to make it look pretty darn killer!

I'm all about the robots personally, though . On that note, I am pledged for two sets and have worked out a trade for one of my Karist halves, but not the other - if someone is interested in swapping their Epirians for my Karists, please PM me

 RiTides wrote:

Personally, I do not like just the basic pose of the Angel... however, I think insaniak or Spiral Arm Studios will soon post the incredible work he has done with it, and being a plastic kit it is very easy to make it look pretty darn killer!

We get that...but shouldn't the model look "pretty darn killer" out of the box.....?

The Angel reminds me of the old Carnifex. I think there is some nice fluidity with the curves in the Angel's appendages although the legs are a bit too static, I think they'd look better with more of a striding/flowing pose. Since it's plastic I would imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to assemble it in a more serpentine shape.

That post just reminded me of how awesome the old Carnifex Screamer-Killer looks compared to the Angel, even with a similarly static pose. See how menacing it looks? I imagine it ripping through a tank with those claws, running forward on incredibly powerful legs and screeching like an insane rhino. The angel is not nearly as evocative to me. I like the face, it looks quite disturbing, but the rest of the model combined with the pose just doesn't do it for me.

It reminds me of the Crysilids from Xcom. This is a good thing.

 Grey Templar wrote:
It reminds me of the Crysilids from Xcom. This is a good thing.

I don't think Cryssalid, I think Wraith from Evolve.

Makes me think a little bit of the aliens from Edge of Tomorrow.

 Grey Templar wrote:
It reminds me of the Crysilids from Xcom. This is a good thing.

Pretty much what I thought on both counts.
A raised leg in mid-scuttle, one of the arms slightly raised to strike can all make the difference.
Yeah, cutting the tabs, smoothing out the join, adding putty to join the various lines / folds would be the necessary actions.

 RiTides wrote:
Bob, your first line is simply not true! I know that's become a meme here, but honestly, you can provide feedback in this thread, there is a ton in the dozen posts further up this page.

Really? Because I was just warned for saying that Medge's big problem is committing designs to tooling before they get any real feedback, and that I hope Medge lets us discuss any upcoming minis before their designs are finalized. It was deemed off topic to the kickstarter and forbidden even though the elephant in the room is that the kickstarter is suffering because Medge went to tooling with designs that really needed another generation of feedback in their design.

(I assume that's why I was warned anyway, and not because this discussion happened in the context of the eventual female Epirians.)

Personally, I do not like just the basic pose of the Angel... however, I think insaniak or Spiral Arm Studios will soon post the incredible work he has done with it, and being a plastic kit it is very easy to make it look pretty darn killer!

I'm all about the robots personally, though . On that note, I am pledged for two sets and have worked out a trade for one of my Karist halves, but not the other - if someone is interested in swapping their Epirians for my Karists, please PM me

The angel's pose reminds me of a preying mantis, capturing more the anticipation of action rather than the action itself. For an intelligent, incorporeal being, it speaks of confidence.

I imagine him as the calm gang member at the center of a pack of taunting, jeering hooligans. Clearly he is the most dangerous.



Maybe that's just me.

Looking at the sprue, you could actually use the four claws as legs and tentacles as arms. And cover the back with extra tentacles. Or use the extra claws to make them seem like they are emerging from the flesh on its back. And that is with barely a snip of the connectors. And plastic can be bent with careful force to change even just the pitch of the torso.

I was thinking Epirians with new guns, and give the Karists to someone I like, but with this kit, it is definitely a game that I will provide everything for.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Especially such a strongly organic model. I'd hate to think of how much of the model you'd need to resculpt to make it flow right, if you want a more dynamic pose..

Not much, since it's only the Angel's limbs that are fluid. And those are all nice, smooth shapes, so really, really easy to reshape.

 cincydooley wrote:
We get that...but shouldn't the model look "pretty darn killer" out of the box.....?

Opinions are going to vary, obviously, but personally I think it does look 'pretty darn killer' straight out of the box. But as a modeller, I'm always going to look at a model and start thinking about ways I can change it... which is a big part of why all of the MEdge models being plastic has been so exciting.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Really? Because I was just warned for saying that Medge's big problem is committing designs to tooling before they get any real feedback, and that I hope Medge lets us discuss any upcoming minis before their designs are finalized.

No, you weren't. An in-thread instruction was given to take discussion of hypothetical female miniatures to a different thread, because they are not a part of this kickstarter. Nobody was told to not provide honest feedback on the existing models.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
It reminds me of the Crysilids from Xcom. This is a good thing.

Pretty much what I thought on both counts.
A raised leg in mid-scuttle, one of the arms slightly raised to strike can all make the difference.
Yeah, cutting the tabs, smoothing out the join, adding putty to join the various lines / folds would be the necessary actions.

I might see how bendable the plastic gets when heated. Making the legs more flowy will do a lot for it.

I'm actually glad its in that fairly neutral pose. It gives more option for variation. Although I do feel the pains of the less inclined for conversions, its daunting at first.

I'm totally making mine a Crysilid though. I'm gonna sculpt some carapace for its appendages and give it mandibles.

I bet it would look pretty rad with some Tyranid bits bashed onto it. Were one so inclined, it probably could be made to look like the old Carnifex.

I'm fully expecting that we'll see some alternate Angels somwhere down the line. I mean, it does have 3 forms in game. I'm sure we'll see those as actual models.

 Grey Templar wrote:

I'm actually glad its in that fairly neutral pose. It gives more option for variation. Although I do feel the pains of the less inclined for conversions, its daunting at first.

It isn't daunting to me.

I just feel like converting should be an option, not a requirement.

@insaniak -- It seems like you're in the minority with initial reactions in this thread when it comes to the Angel. And that's okay, too.

I just really disagree.

I just had a thought of painting the Angel up like the Twilight monsters from Zelda: Twilight Princess. That would be a pretty cool scheme.

I'm liking the Angel, and I think it will be a perfect model for my airbrush and some ghost tints.

Absolutely adore the mature Angel - a really beautiful piece and impressive engineering.

Regarding the pose, it's much easier to create dynamic poses from a static base than try and convert one dynamic pose into others.

Two things from me, just recently pledged.

1) I actually quite like the angel, static pose and all.

2) If a model requires kitbashing/modding to be good, there is a problem. Therefore, I can fully understand people having an issue with the basic figure if that's how they view it.

The Angel is a wonderful model. It just has a nice feel to it.

How do I vote to get the hunter, and I am just letting you guys know I upped my pledge for two terrain sets. Hopefully they get unlocked in a final pledge spree.

However, you know if they are not unlocked that could be totally marketed as a universal product, and have it's own Kickstarter. I mean it's lovely, I cannot see as to why someone wouldn't buy some. I will be as deflated as Tom Brady's balls if they don't get unlocked as they were the main reason I pledged, besides to swap with Ritides.

Could you imagine a single box for that price with all those bits on sprue, opening it up, and then adding it to terrain in almost any game?

I can.

Edit: Not that you cater to me but, a mech booster set would be cool. For instance, if it contained one hunter and two scarecrows, that'd be a sick little box set for later as well. Good luck guys.