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I wonder if the damn KS is going to make the 45k mark... come on people, just a couple k left...

 Kosake wrote:
I wonder if the damn KS is going to make the 45k mark... come on people, just a couple k left...

It's a shame that were unlikely to reach the bases stretch goal at 60k. I had hoped we'd have a higher total going into the final few days.

I'm afraid a really dont like figures without bases, it really limits the posing.

 insaniak wrote:

Davor wrote:
So right now, it's in fluctuation on how much I have to pay, ...

Welcome to buying stuff on the internet.

It's a little unreasonable to expect companies to release specific pricing for any country other than the one they are based in, precisely because of that fluctuation.

Yeah, I've got to agree that this is a bit unreasonable. If you want to buy something from somewhere else, it's on you (and a 60 second trip to xe.com) to work it out yourself and allow for a small bit of fluctuation. Or back on the last day after checking the exchange rate for that day.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Never minded the banner at the top but the one at the bottom of each thread was to much in your face. Thanks for the advice.

They got us talking about them, didn't they? Hopefully that will lead to us talking about the product and then buying the product.

I would back it but for me they are all over the place. I like the big robots but dislike the scarecrows, I like the drones but dislike the contractors. Out of the other faction I think the regular guys would be good were it not for the shoulder pads and I've seen none assembled or painted without them and dislike the rest of the faction. Of course it is all subjective and I would've like to support it but money is tight atm.

Yeah, I HATE these giant adverts at the end of page... HATE them...

This is the first time I've ever been unhappy with Dakka...

 bbb wrote:
Yeah, I HATE these giant adverts at the end of page... HATE them...

This is the first time I've ever been unhappy with Dakka...

Close the banner at the top. It closes the picture on the bottom.

 bbb wrote:
Yeah, I HATE these giant adverts at the end of page... HATE them...

This is the first time I've ever been unhappy with Dakka...

It's for 5 more days, and you can turn them off whenever you choose.

Click the big 'x' at the top left of the banner add, and they go away.


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 edlowe wrote:
It's a shame that were unlikely to reach the bases stretch goal at 60k. I had hoped we'd have a higher total going into the final few days.

I'm afraid a really dont like figures without bases, it really limits the posing.

Fairly sure yakface has mentioned that there will be an option in the rules to put them on appropriately sized bases sourced elsewhere, at least. Of course, even without that in the rules, there's no reason you couldn't do that anyway and just ignore the base in-game.

Yeah,

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
...
The diorama looks pretty cool, but I can't help feeling like they are defending an outhouse.
ADVERT
/inappropriate

So bitter.
About what? A free website that connects wargamers...
Trying to launch a game that fills the gaps we wanted filling??

Dude there is a saying about 'gaking where you eat' that applies right now.
As soon as you feel less entitled, Check it out, do a Google.

I'm a backer because this looks awesome!
Can't wait!!

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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The diorama looks pretty cool, but I can't help feeling like they are defending an outhouse.
ADVERT
/inappropriate

So bitter
About what? A free website that connects wargamers...

What is bitter? Funny images that poke fun are parts of every kickstarter thread. No bitterness required. People are complaining about the banner--I made a joke. Might be a case of the pot calling the kettle bitter.

I haven't even complained about the adverts because I think they're hilarious. Not bad hilarious. Not negative hilarious. Just, "wow, those are big adverts" hilarious.

"I wonder what they're selling here."

Damn, are we not allowed to take any joy in this that isn't spooned out by the committee?

Trying to launch a game that fills the gaps we wanted filling??

I'm not going to post the obvious snarky response. I want the game to succeed. I want the campaign to do well. I want my gaps filled.

But a giant advertisement on the bottom of every page is still noteworthy. And hilarious.

Dude there is a saying about 'gaking where you eat' that applies right now.

How am I gaking?

As soon as you feel less entitled, Check it out, do a Google.

Entitled? As a backer, I only feel entitled to what my $90 gets me. It seems to me that you feel SAS may be entitled to money or success without wanting to deal with all the "gaking" that accompanies it.

And check what out on google?

I'm a backer because this looks awesome!
Can't wait!!

Panic...

I'm a backer, too, because it looks awesome. It also looks like it's stagnating. I hope SAS isn't going to keep doing the same things and hoping for a better outcome (like GW does, for instance).

If you think I am working against this campaign, you are very mistaken.

 insaniak wrote:

It's for 5 more days, and you can turn them off whenever you choose.

Click the big 'x' at the top left of the banner add, and they go away.

That doesn't appear to remove the text for me. Am I doing something wrong?

 cincydooley wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

It's for 5 more days, and you can turn them off whenever you choose.

Click the big 'x' at the top left of the banner add, and they go away.

That doesn't appear to remove the text for me. Am I doing something wrong?

No, it only removes the picture.

Yeah,
Bob, you're correct I don't see your position.
donkey-cave cream pictures mark out the donkey-caves...

This is my last comment to you as I feel like I'm feeding a troll.
I made my comment due to my thoughts that the investment by dakka doesn't deserve replies involving donkey-cave cream at the top of the page...

I'm looking at a talented group with a real positive vision.
I'm part way though book1 and I love it!

Panic...

 pretre wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Yeah, I HATE these giant adverts at the end of page... HATE them...

This is the first time I've ever been unhappy with Dakka...

Close the banner at the top. It closes the picture on the bottom.

I'm on mobile phone and I see no "x" on the banner at the top. I suppose I'm just fethed.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

I'm on mobile phone and I see no "x" on the banner at the top. I suppose I'm just fethed.

Just tap in the top left of the big banner image and will activate the hidden link.

 legoburner wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

I'm on mobile phone and I see no "x" on the banner at the top. I suppose I'm just fethed.

Just tap in the top left of the big banner image and will activate the hidden link.

Is there a way to remove the text at the bottom of every thread, also?

 legoburner wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

I'm on mobile phone and I see no "x" on the banner at the top. I suppose I'm just fethed.

Just tap in the top left of the big banner image and will activate the hidden link.

For future reference, any ad with black in the top left renders the "x" invisible.

And for the record, I found bob's advert highly entertaining and appropriate.

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Bob, you're correct I don't see your position.
donkey-cave cream pictures mark out the donkey-caves...

This is my last comment to you as I feel like I'm feeding a troll.
I made my comment due to my thoughts that the investment by dakka doesn't deserve replies involving donkey-cave cream at the top of the page...

I'm looking at a talented group with a real positive vision.
I'm part way though book1 and I love it!

Panic...

Bobs post was pretty funny in my opinion, pretty sure jokes are not banned on Dakka and their is no provision that jokes directed at SAS products are banned. If that ever becomes the case and jokes or critique towards them are disallowed and any negative thing said about them is gaking where you eat then Dakka will quickly become somewhere I do not want to post anymore. So how about you firstly follow rule 1. As calling someone an donkey-cave kinda goes against that.

People are allowed to be critical and make jokes about any company or product. SAS being part of Dakka gives them no more shielding from that than any other company and nor should it.

Would be nice if some of the more zealous people in this thread didnt jump on people who say anything other than "This is amazing you guys are the greatest."

Personally most of the models leave me cold but the rules seem interesting. Other people love the models and the rules and that's fine too. Others love some of the models and dislike others. Each opinion is valid and allowed to be expressed and jokes are allowed to be made.

 bbb wrote:
Yeah, I HATE these giant adverts at the end of page... HATE them...

This is the first time I've ever been unhappy with Dakka...

I'm truly sorry about that, and I hope that you can forgive us.

Since we purchased Dakka in 2007, we have made dozens of decisions over that time to preserve user experience in exchange for not maximizing potential revenue for the site. My mantra has always been that as long as the site pays for its own operation, then every decision beyond that is based upon the concept of: 'does this make the user experience better?'

Anyone out there who thinks we've made a ton of money operating Dakka over the years is sorely mistaken. We have purposely kept Dakka as ad-free (as possible) to maintain that user experience, despite continuing to add incredibly costly benefits like the free picture hosting of the Dakka gallery and continually upgrading our servers to handle the increased user load (as the popularity of Dakka has continued to climb). Not to mention all the man-hours that go into actually running and maintaining the site for which we take no pay.

While the success of Maelstrom's Edge is incredibly important to us, it is not some cash cow we're trying to milk. The realities of plastic miniature production means that an incredible amount of capital has to be invested up front with the intent to make back those costs (and hopefully a profit) over the long term. So Maelstrom's Edge is very much a passion project for all of us. We didn't create it to try to make a buck, but rather because we wanted to make something we thought would be cool and hoped that others would also find cool as well. Yes, Maelstrom's Edge will go to market at this point regardless of how much or how little more we raise on the KS, but having a strong closing can definitely really help to push the project forward, and that in turn could eventually help to fund Dakka, ensuring that we can continue to grow the site without adding new permanent advertising.

However, part of trying to do what we can to get our message across about MEdge does obviously involve temporarily breaking some of those core ideals and putting fairly annoying ads here on Dakka. So again, I apologize for that. Please know that we will not be running further Kickstarters for MEdge in the future, and these advertisements are very temporary (just until the end of the KS in 5-ish days). I hope you can empathize with all that hard work and effort we've put into running Dakka for many years where the focus has been on putting the user experience first, and cut us some slack for this temporary breach of etiquette.

Two questions:

1) The more important of the two for me; what technique/printer did you guys use? My 3D printings are all line-y and grainy, so being able to get things I print to come out model smooth would be nice. Mind you, I went with a budget printer (XYZ DaVinci 1.0) precisely because I'm building non-model things, but the option of custom models would always be nice...


2) Are we going to see a Medge theme for Dakka?

 Slarg232 wrote:
Two questions:

1) The more important of the two for me; what technique/printer did you guys use? My 3D printings are all line-y and grainy, so being able to get things I print to come out model smooth would be nice. Mind you, I went with a budget printer (XYZ DaVinci 1.0) precisely because I'm building non-model things, but the option of custom models would always be nice...

We used most makerbot ranges and a form 1 for prototyping. Comparison and detail analysis requires printing at both 1:1 and 3:1 scales. Both are still quite line-y, though slowing the speed, cranking the temperature a bit, printing with 80-100% fill, scaffolding and platforms and being very very careful with the angle of print helps a bit and lets us get good 100 micron prints with FDM. The form 1 and other resin printers have a nasty side effect of curling sharp edges as they contract a touch when curing, so the details are good to test size and shape, but lose sharpness. We've not shown any 3D prints and probably wont, every model you've seen pictured is final, real plastic, but it has been invaluable for getting the physical 'feel' of the models correct and we'd definitely recommend it to anyone prototyping models. Custom models that are less than 80mm in height and have moderate detail or curves are not viable with home FDM printers without a huge amount of manual cleanup afterwards, but just about work with resin printers.

We've spent a lot of time exploring the highest end 3D printers with a lot of friendly companies, and you are looking at $35K+ to get to 95% of perfect, with the final 5% still needing hand finishing. That 'perfect' still suffers with certain shapes and forms as well.

 Slarg232 wrote:

2) Are we going to see a Medge theme for Dakka?

Not in the near future but it will be fun to play with when we get some time.

 carlos13th wrote:

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Bob, you're correct I don't see your position.
donkey-cave cream pictures mark out the donkey-caves...

This is my last comment to you as I feel like I'm feeding a troll.
I made my comment due to my thoughts that the investment by dakka doesn't deserve replies involving donkey-cave cream at the top of the page...

I'm looking at a talented group with a real positive vision.
I'm part way though book1 and I love it!

Panic...

Bobs post was pretty funny in my opinion, pretty sure jokes are not banned on Dakka and their is no provision that jokes directed at SAS products are banned. If that ever becomes the case and jokes or critique towards them are disallowed and any negative thing said about them is gaking where you eat then Dakka will quickly become somewhere I do not want to post anymore. So how about you firstly follow rule 1. As calling someone an donkey-cave kinda goes against that.

People are allowed to be critical and make jokes about any company or product. SAS being part of Dakka gives them no more shielding from that than any other company and nor should it.

Would be nice if some of the more zealous people in this thread didnt jump on people who say anything other than "This is amazing you guys are the greatest."

Personally most of the models leave me cold but the rules seem interesting. Other people love the models and the rules and that's fine too. Others love some of the models and dislike others. Each opinion is valid and allowed to be expressed and jokes are allowed to be made.

Have an exalt

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Bob, you're correct I don't see your position.
donkey-cave cream pictures mark out the donkey-caves...

This is my last comment to you as I feel like I'm feeding a troll.
I made my comment due to my thoughts that the investment by dakka doesn't deserve replies involving donkey-cave cream at the top of the page...

I'm looking at a talented group with a real positive vision.
I'm part way though book1 and I love it!

Panic...

Maybe it's a cultural misunderstanding, but I picked Preparation H because it is a funny product, not to cause offense. I almost went with Ketchup, but I thought it was a little too Garrison Keillor.

They are indeed a talented group. I find the all-in approach they've taken to create an entire hobby around their new game to be ambitious and refreshing. I expect to enjoy ME for years and hope to see it prosper.

I just don't see how turning the thread into a circlejerk is doing SAS any favors.

 legoburner wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Two questions:

1) The more important of the two for me; what technique/printer did you guys use? My 3D printings are all line-y and grainy, so being able to get things I print to come out model smooth would be nice. Mind you, I went with a budget printer (XYZ DaVinci 1.0) precisely because I'm building non-model things, but the option of custom models would always be nice...

We used most makerbot ranges and a form 1 for prototyping. Comparison and detail analysis requires printing at both 1:1 and 3:1 scales. Both are still quite line-y, though slowing the speed, cranking the temperature a bit, printing with 80-100% fill, scaffolding and platforms and being very very careful with the angle of print helps a bit and lets us get good 100 micron prints with FDM. The form 1 and other resin printers have a nasty side effect of curling sharp edges as they contract a touch when curing, so the details are good to test size and shape, but lose sharpness. We've not shown any 3D prints and probably wont, every model you've seen pictured is final, real plastic, but it has been invaluable for getting the physical 'feel' of the models correct and we'd definitely recommend it to anyone prototyping models. Custom models that are less than 80mm in height and have moderate detail or curves are not viable with home FDM printers without a huge amount of manual cleanup afterwards, but just about work with resin printers.

We've spent a lot of time exploring the highest end 3D printers with a lot of friendly companies, and you are looking at $35K+ to get to 95% of perfect, with the final 5% still needing hand finishing. That 'perfect' still suffers with certain shapes and forms as well.

 Slarg232 wrote:

2) Are we going to see a Medge theme for Dakka?

Not in the near future but it will be fun to play with when we get some time.

I have cranked it up to 90% and had it on Slow speed, along with having .1 sized layers, but it doesn't seem to do much without HEAVY sanding to get it smooth (So much so that I would have to obliterate the model to do it).

But anyway, thanks for the info; don't want to drag the thread off topic

Is there a way to turn off the constant bombardment of ads about this? I've added custom adblock filters but it's still a bit redonculous.

I have seen the ads 100x and now they're even showing up in the threads I view at the bottom & top. Honestly any desire I had to back & try this game has been washed away by the desire to snub such intrusive & heavy advertising.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
Is there a way to turn off the constant bombardment of ads about this? I've added custom adblock filters but it's still a bit redonculous.

I have seen the ads 100x and now they're even showing up in the threads I view at the bottom & top. Honestly any desire I had to back & try this game has been washed away by the desire to snub such intrusive & heavy advertising.

You can't see it on the black background, but put your cursor in the top-left corner of the ad at the top of the page, and you'll see a [X] highlighted. Clicking on that apparently makes them go away.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
Is there a way to turn off the constant bombardment of ads about this? I've added custom adblock filters but it's still a bit redonculous.

I have seen the ads 100x and now they're even showing up in the threads I view at the bottom & top. Honestly any desire I had to back & try this game has been washed away by the desire to snub such intrusive & heavy advertising.

You can't see it on the black background, but put your cursor in the top-left corner of the ad at the top of the page, and you'll see a [X] highlighted. Clicking on that apparently makes them go away.

Turns off the ones on the top temporarily but does nothing for the ones on the bottom. Thanks though, it does help.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Never minded the banner at the top but the one at the bottom of each thread was to much in your face. Thanks for the advice.

They got us talking about them, didn't they? Hopefully that will lead to us talking about the product and then buying the product.

it's actually had the exact opposite effect for me. I was on the fence (I mean I see the ads fething EVERYWHERE) but them adding more made me decide to NOT get in on it because I don't want to validate this kind of advertising.

I found the ads distracting on my tablet so I switched them off. I don't mind them on my laptop, there is more screen area.

If they wanted to show more stuff, they should have showed it from the start of the kickstarter.

Kickstarters may run for a month or so, but they exist primarily off first impressions. The majority of kickstarter people show up to a kickstarter page and knew whether they'll pledge or not. Those people who start pledging from the middle of a kickstarter aren't really being pushed over the edge, but are being introduced to it through hype. Showing stuff in the middle of a kickstarter only works to keep people from dropping their pledges. Once they close the window/tab without deciding to pledge, they're gone for good.

Instead of only a few things to show at start, showing all the infantry, drones, big robots, big creatures, etc to start would have given the game way more of a running start, without the need for large intrusive ads.

Save the partitioning of info for news posts and press releases to tabletop news sites. Although, I suppose since they delayed showing the cool stuff, we're seeing delayed news posts.

Also, a moving side banner would work better since it breaks up the forum flow less. The ad feels more like a crappy pop up since it stops people from accessing commonly used links and buttons.

I kinda agree with others that .these adds .make me less likely to back not more. One st the top is fine it's like other adds .just bigger. More importantly though it'd unobtrusive. The one st the bottom however is pretty Damn intrusive

There's a lot of privilege leaking in here, even still after yakface made an apology. I know four days of a banner you can (mostly) close is a hard pill to swallow, but surely we can just deal with it while they do the last big push?

Now, of course if the banners become a permanent fixture, I'll rescind that comment, but I don't see that happening since yak already made it clear what they were doing.