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I could see deathstrikes getting it, but I would love to see a 4th range band on Conversion Beamers - 72+" StrD, which seems to be a logical conclusion.

Yea uh hellooooo, deathstrike? I thought this would be pretty obvious but I don't think it will ever happen. Can't have IG getting good things unless there's a new kit can we?

S: D... I'm also in the camp of it should have stayed in apocalypse. Buuuutttt I guess I can tolerate Lord of Wars having access to it.

As for the game of which units should, the shard of the Nightbringer should be bumped up to S: D T9 and the Transcendant Shard should be S: D T10.

And Marbo needs to come back with his attacks hitting at S: D

In my opinion, Strength D, just as a 2++ save or W: 5+ models shouldn't be present in Warhammer 40k. It should be Apocalypse only, with some exceptions (Escalation etc). We shouldn't need Str: D to blast stuff open or to show that a unit is friggin' strong. There are tons of options that can be included in the design of a model to show its overwhelming firepower or earth-shattering cannonballs it spews, not just a static "anything touched by it gets fethed to oblivion". We're already planning to slowly troll the Eldar players into a guilt-ridden selling spree. Or we might just end up being adults about it and settle for playing something else and doing something else with our time.

im with the less models should get it rather than more.
However, rather than waiting for my army to get a load of D weapons and THEN saying that to try to keep it all to myself, I think if its gonna be there, you should at least be fair about it.
For guard I'm seeing the vanquisher cannon. Maybe the deathstrike missile launcher.

The vanquisher should definitely not be D.

I agree that the Deathstrike should be though.

Strength D on plasma weapons. With mega-blast templates. You know, for when you roll those '1s'. Because it makes me laugh. Sort of.

 Ashiraya wrote:
The vanquisher should definitely not be D.

I agree that the Deathstrike should be though.

The Vanquisher just needs its coaxial weapons back to make the cannon more reliable.

Welll, people want an upgrade to the bolter, so... you know.

 Mumblez wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
Why don't we just get rid of strength values and just have strength d across the board.

If everyone has the same thing. Then it must be perfectly balanced.

Would that turn 40K into 40D? 40 being the average number of S - D weaponry an army can bring.

While your at it CCWs could also be S - D. The we can call it 40DD. Would fit because it seems the a couple of the newer codexes(codexi?) were written by a couple bit ole' boobs.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your 40k captain speaking, we are approaching a patch of rules turbulence, a quick check under your seats will reveal str D weapons for one and all.

Thank you for flying with airGW.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your 40k captain speaking, we are approaching a patch of rules turbulence, a quick check under your seats will reveal str D weapons for one and all.

Thank you for flying with airGW.

One the aircraft has levelled out, an AirGW RedShirt Rep will pass through the cabin to offer a selection of premium models. All major credit cards are accepted.

CSM/KDK: Heldrake please.

Maybe then Chaos can face these new armies

Since Eldar set a precedent, it goes without saying that every army will now need some access to it. Perhaps not to the same level that Eldar are rumored to be getting it, but at least one or 2 options.

If not for Eldar I'd say the only place these weapons should be found is on the terrain pieces that could be purched and things like that.

I'm honestly concerned about the books that came out before the Eldar book. It's not like Eldar is the first 8th edition book. Only Chaos and Dark Angels are left, right? So what are the other armies to do now?

None. There should be no Strength D outside of super heavy tanks and walkers.

Nvs wrote:
Since Eldar set a precedent, it goes without saying that every army will now need some access to it. Perhaps not to the same level that Eldar are rumored to be getting it, but at least one or 2 options.

If not for Eldar I'd say the only place these weapons should be found is on the terrain pieces that could be purched and things like that.

I'm honestly concerned about the books that came out before the Eldar book. It's not like Eldar is the first 8th edition book. Only Chaos and Dark Angels are left, right? So what are the other armies to do now?

That assumes that GW has any idea about balance or that they buff each army equally. Which was demonstrably false considering in 6th we had Tau (strong), Eldar (strong), Space Marines (strong) then Tyranids.

[EDIT]: Misread your post to be that GW will give access to it to every army.

hmm, possibly death strike, I'm somewhat okay with it on the knights and similar set ups, though beyond that, this shouldn't become an acceptable norm.

 kronk wrote:
None. There should be no Strength D outside of super heavy tanks and walkers.

Except Marbo.

Stop trying to make Marbo happen, Gretchen!

If there is one relic in the space marine armory that should have strength D, then it is the Holy Orb Of Antioch. A one use grenade that you can throw 12" small blast. You can also use it against MC or vehicles at initiative. All chapters can buy one per army. Black Templars can get one per IC. 20 pts per orb.

Oh, you know, the Doomsday Cannon, or the Death Ray. Oh wait, too late, new codex is out. Well gak.

I could see the Ork Killa Klaw from the WAAAGH! Ghazghkull supplement having it for its special one hit attack. Same thing for the Hand of Darkness in the Black Legion supplement as well. Other than those really specific one hit cases in CC, where it is nowhere near reliable like consistent ranged D weapons, do I find it acceptable at some level.

A somewhat serious post;

Space Marines:
- Vortex Grenades. They'll be in the next codex. There's literally no reasons for it not to be now.
- Vortex Missiles. Vehicle upgrade. Should replace the Hunter-Killer Missile.
- Force Commander. Orbital Strike is definitely a D-level of an attack.

Chaos Space Marines
- Bolt of Change Psychic Power. It's been a Lascannon, a Beam Lascannon, and now should be changed up to Str D Beam.
- Abaddon's Sword. It used to be "I touch you and you die". Maybe it'll go back to being that.
- Mutilators. They have to move this plastic off the shelves somehow...
- Super-Ascended Daemon Princes. New more-Uber Daemon Prince that stands as tall as a Wraithknight or Mawloc. Gargantuan Creature that gains Stomp.

Imperial Guar
- Basilisk Cannon, Earthshaker Rounds. Only firable in Barrage Mode, but they get rid of the whole minimum range thing.
- Deathstrike Missile. Can fire any turn after the first, one-use only.
- Master of the Fleet. Same as Force Commander.

Orks
- Morkanaught/Gorkanaught. How else are they supposed to sell?
- Zzap Gunz that roll an 11 or 12 become Str D.

Grey Knights
- Vortex weapons. All squads automatically know Vortex psychic power.

Tyranids
- Gargantuan Creatures. Don't know what'll happen to all the "little" monstrous creatures though.

Dark Eldar
- None! They don't want to totally destroy you, they want to hurt you and take you prisoner.

Tau
- Hammerhead's Rail-cannon. That's it. Str D is ancient or mystical stuff that's almost beyond technology.

Master of the Fleet for Guard affects Reserve rolls.

Master of Ordnance is the one with the artillery strike; and yeah it should totally be Strength D.
It doesn't even Ignore Cover right now. Bump the price of the Master of Ordnance up, just give me MOAR PIEPLATE!

In Apocalypse, not 40k.

Few should hold it. but those that do should be only the largest of heavy weight units. and pay through the nose in points to use it.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Master of the Fleet for Guard affects Reserve rolls.

Master of Ordnance is the one with the artillery strike; and yeah it should totally be Strength D.
It doesn't even Ignore Cover right now. Bump the price of the Master of Ordnance up, just give me MOAR PIEPLATE!

lol, man I immediately shortened this in my own head to "Give me MOAR PIE!"

Tau should have S CC fists.

 MWHistorian wrote:
In Apocalypse, not 40k.

Exactly.

Vindicare Assassin's turbo-penetrator round should definately be St D.