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 Desubot wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
If the quality is anywhere close to space hulk, I'd be all over that.

If the miniatures are top notch then im all in.

I already have like 2 vindicare and 1 of the other 3s

but i could do with even more

I hear you on that one! great models, ill really enjoy painting them, even if I have already done a few of each OOP ones !

Recycled chaos models = no sale (for me)

Great comic Brook, where's it from?

 Accolade wrote:

Well, as far as the Callidus goes, GW has always been pretty awful sculpting women. The only exceptions I've seen were in the LOTR range, and I believe those were done by the Perry twins.

The really disappointing thing is that the old models are just better, and I have never said that about any GW release. The new Eversor and Culexus look to be better, but the Vindicare seems very much the same (even in the way the tassel on his leg-knife is sitting) albeit in the dullest possible pose, while the Callidus just looks bad. Pity that the Vindicare and Callidus are the two I really like. A few weeks ago I was planning on converting some female Infinity miniatures to make a Vindicare and Callidus, but I decided to wait due to these rumours. Very disappointing.

Maybe in a decade or two we'll get a re-release with nice models.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

Well, as far as the Callidus goes, GW has always been pretty awful sculpting women. The only exceptions I've seen were in the LOTR range, and I believe those were done by the Perry twins.

The really disappointing thing is that the old models are just better, and I have never said that about any GW release. The new Eversor and Culexus look to be better, but the Vindicare seems very much the same (even in the way the tassel on his leg-knife is sitting) albeit in the dullest possible pose, while the Callidus just looks bad. Pity that the Vindicare and Callidus are the two I really like. A few weeks ago I was planning on converting some female Infinity miniatures to make a Vindicare and Callidus, but I decided to wait due to these rumours. Very disappointing.

Maybe in a decade or two we'll get a re-release with nice models.

Creating new sculpts to resemble the old ones seems to be the way GW is doing it these days. It really is obvious in the Harlequin release where the death jester and shadowseers were basically updated re-sculpt of the old models. This is not necessarily bad as they were keeping things constant and giving their models some nice dynamic poses, but in this release it seems to have backfired a bit. The vindicare looks to be on guard duty, not a really intense pose, and the callidus is in a very awkward pose with her weapons flung back (pity to have such a unique gun turned on it's side like in a mediocre conversion) and as others have mentioned her hair looks ridiculously too big. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they'll be quality mini's, I just can't get excited about them in the same way a few of the recent releases have excited me.

On the other hand if these end up having new rules that make them good l\allies for 40K I think I know what I will be converting my DE Wytches into...

CT GAMER wrote:Recycled chaos models = no sale (for me)

If you want to use the models for 40k the Chaos models are actually pretty good. They are more useful than the Genestealer or Terminator models from Space Hulk

The Chaos lord is really nice. And the cultists are genuinely useful models for Chaos. But really.. there was no way that for $150 we were going to get, like, 30 new sculpts

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Great comic Brook, where's it from?

Probably from the deceased warhammer monthly (or the one with short stories and comic strips forgot the name )

Inferno maybe.

It's from Warhammer Monthly, Inferno! only ran short stories and the odd (not to mention nine times out of ten horrible) serialised comic.

I have a 2 assassin's, so could use the other 2.

But i already have more than 100 cultists and even more Chaos Space Marines, so i realy don't need those.

So a whole game with 4 models, count me out...


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What i can also pre-order the 25st of April is HALO fleet battles from Spartan Games.

Nice setting, nice models and all of them are completely new.

Congrats? But not relevant to this thread whatsoever.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The really disappointing thing is that the old models are just better, and I have never said that about any GW release.

Look for the old(er) and new(not really new) Canoness…

I'm a bit stupefied at the responses in this thread.
This is a board game. It is not a cheap way to get models.
If you don't want a board game.. well, of course it's not worth your money!
Using the miniatures in 40k is an added bonus. Treating it as kind of a battle box is ignoring the very fact that it's... well.. a board game!

 Thairne wrote:
I'm a bit stupefied at the responses in this thread.
This is a board game. It is not a cheap way to get models.
If you don't want a board game.. well, of course it's not worth your money!
Using the miniatures in 40k is an added bonus. Treating it as kind of a battle box is ignoring the very fact that it's... well.. a board game!

It's a board game using 40k models, so people will look at it like that, and I don't think they're wrong to. It's different to Space Hulk for example because that had all new models in it, and they weren't based for 40k, and everyone knew the pedigree of the game. This however, the game could be crap so it's the models most people will buy for to start with at least. And the only unique models are the 4 assassins. Had their been unique chaos guys it might be different but it's literally just cultists, three CSM and a chaos Lord repackaged in the box.

Still, if you just look at the models, you ignore a guestimated 50% of the worth of the package.
Most posters here go "no new models, not worth it". Well yeah, the models are only part of the sale. You get a game to go along with it.
Unique Chaos guys run down just the same - ignoring there is a game underneath, getting it just for the models. Like with any package deal, if you don't want a significant part of the package, it may just not be for you.

My point is - if you want just the models, wait for the rumored integration into the official line and get them then. No reason to "hate" on the boardgame and ignore that part of the value.

It would not be the first time that GW includes models from Fantasy or 40k catalog in their boardgames... advanced heroquest, space hulk 1&2e, warhammer quest....

 Thairne wrote:
Still, if you just look at the models, you ignore a guestimated 50% of the worth of the package.

But there's little info on the other 50%. Are those tiles / cardboard game-boards Space-Hulk-Quality? Or thinner and cheaper? Are there Space Hulk-comparable doors/additions, nor not? What's the quality of the card-stock for the cards in the game? Linen-finish or not? Are there counters, play-aids, dice? If so, are counters card-board? Wood? Plastic? And of course, is the game as such fun?

Viable questions, but likely nobody will be able to answer any of those until long after it sold out. So it is a bit of a gamble on those 50%, a gamble that would be easier to take if the miniature-half of the deal is already convincing (which, to be fair, it is to me. The 3 ancient snap-fit CSM are gak, but Cultists & Termi Lord are quality miniatures. The DV Cultists arguably are, technically, better quality than the Space Hulk stuff .. less undercut, etc.. No need to fix what's already fantastic quality sculpts).

 BrookM wrote:
It's from Warhammer Monthly, Inferno! only ran short stories and the odd (not to mention nine times out of ten horrible) serialised comic.

Two one off strips stand out from Inferno, all these years later -

Marines vs Orks on a massive bridge. Marines on bikes coming from one end, Orks in vehicles the other. Finally the leaders clash, and the last panel is them on the only surviving bit of the structure.

And the other was a chaos dude who kills another chaos dude, gets all geared up in his armour and shouts "SOUTH!" so he and his cohorts head south.... meet a load of other chaos dudes, they fight, he gets killed and the winner gets all geared up in his armour and shouts "NORTH!"

Both obviously miles better than my synopsis!

Apologies for this diversion.

BOT - Dig the Eversor model, and that Chaos sorcerer. The game board looks crap, and those snap fit marines are laughable.

I think I'll buy Mars Attacks! instead.

One thing that is interesting is that they haven't yet removed the old sculpts from the online store (at the time of posting this), so it is unlikely that they are to be released individually atm

Young_Logan, so were the Harlequin character models when the plastic ones got released Also Hastings was providing the information and he is a person to be trusted for years. It is GW who keeps information a secret (see the Iyanden supplement problem as a current example - they keep selling stuff until it is gone), to benefit from uninformed people to spend more money. In this case though I see no wrong-doing in offering more products than less. The 'old' Assassin models are still like-able sculpts

What makes me worry is that Felwether posted on Warseer this set is limited to 4000. He is not mentioning where he got that from (he is a shop owner so he has sources others dont) and if it is limited to this number in the area (like Europe, UK) he is selling. That is a damn low number of copies if worldwide

Warhams-77 wrote:
Young_Logan, so were the Harlequin character models when the plastic ones got released Also Hastings was providing the information and he is a person to be trusted for years. It is GW who keeps information a secret (see the Iyanden supplement problem as a current example - they keep selling stuff until it is gone), to benefit from uninformed people to spend more money. In this case though I see no wrong-doing in offering more products than less. The 'old' Assassin models are still like-able sculpts

What makes me worry is that Felwether posted on Warseer this set is limited to 4000. He is not mentioning where he got that from (he is a shop owner so he has sources others dont) and if it is limited to this number in the area he is selling. That is a damn low number of copies if worldwide

doubt it's that low. My local shop told me they'll get 8, and it's not a huge shop.

Thanks, I really hope it is not correct

 CT GAMER wrote:
Recycled chaos models = no sale (for me)

This.

Yeah, it's nice to produce a bunch of fancy plastic assassins. With their rules in WD as well. Fair enough.

But for a board game which is probably limited (come on guys, this is GW we're talking about) it would have been nice if the 'enemy' faction got at least some love if only for the big bad. But nope, we just get recycled stock it seems. Snapfit CSM, more monopose cultists and the Chaos Terminator Lord who was pretty much oversold to the point of death (I somehow ended up with 5 of them in one form or another. Almost to the point where I don't consider the thing any more important than a standard Chaos Terminator. The only thing it really gives you is Lightning Claws.)

We haven't seen the full box of stuff yet. All we have to go on is 1 photo of a WD cover and some rumours. Can we just chill until such times when we have more info??

All boardgames are limited, it's called a print run.

Even with model manufacture in house they will still need to coordinate box, book and token printing (usually foreign in the UK) so limited runs are the name of the game. Of course Space Hulk 3rd was 70k copies approx; so on that scale its not that limited.

 notprop wrote:
All boardgames are limited, it's called a print run.

But of course that's not what they mean. And you know that.

I know nothing!.....and you can quote me on that...errr...wait?

Doesn't anyone else find odd that they are releasing a new game where part of the miniatures are snap-fit (the cultists and CSM) and the others need glueing (Chaos Lord) ?

I've not seen a GW box where there is a mix of snap fit and "modular" parts. It's been either one or the other.

The cultists and marines are snapfit, not sure about the sorcerer.

I know, but the sorceror/chaos lord isn't.

Unless it's that dastardly Kranon, that is!

(and we don't know about the Assassins)