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Akiasura wrote:
DE, DA, BA (hence why I'm curious), CSM, and Orks are some of the weaker dexes.

Where do Grey Knights fit into that paradigm?

Lsjreadingpa wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
DE, DA, BA (hence why I'm curious), CSM, and Orks are some of the weaker dexes.

Where do Grey Knights fit into that paradigm?

Grey Knight, while not top tier, are still a top mid-tier codex.....because DreadKnights.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

The fact a good player doesn't know what a match up means is really just a statement of how tactically shallow 40k is. Any other competitive game, nearly every player would know what that term refers to.

This is where you stop making sense. 40k is not a competitive game and is not designed as such (The first pages of the rulebook clearly state it is a 'narrative game') 40k is a modelling hobby with attached tabletop RPG, not a video game MOBA with rankings, achievements etc.

Well it's actualy you who doesn't make sense. Rick Priestley said that 3rd edition was a competitive, tourney oriented game. Someone else from the studio, I think Kelly (not sure) when commenting on 6th said that they went into direction of craziness because Allessio made 5th too competitive therefore a bit bland or sth like that. So in typical GW manner they created a tourney oriented player base only to be dicks later and crap on it, 3 - 5 edition were tourney rulesets (badly designed tourney rulesets but thats a different topic) and it's still the same game just with more random crap and narrative excuses to help cover up the atrocious balance. Adding a few forge narrative boxes doesnt change 2 player wargame with points and victory objectives into rpg, complete nonsense. Rogue Trader is long gone and it's the only edition that had anything to do with role playing and even then it was lite rpgish.

Not to mention forge the narrative is not an rpg thing at all, it's supposed to provide mood and context to battles. In WW2 wargames it's better to play a part of Kursk than random tank battle #15. Even if you played a 40k campaign where your general and units gain experience or skills, it still wouldnt be an rpg, every pc wargame does that ie Total War.

40k is a competitive game by nature. You can ignore that fact and mindlessly roll dice to see something awesome but you cant change it. It's also not casual, beer and ptetzels or whatever excuse people spew here on daily basis to justify what in reality is GW urinating on their faces while pretending it's rain.

Also congratulations on swallowing GWs hhhhhobby bs, Im sure without the game everybody would still buy minis in multiples to make dioramas. Few % at best.

I like GW btw, just am tired of the casual gentelman handicaping special snowflake game bs.

 Galef wrote:

Lsjreadingpa wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
DE, DA, BA (hence why I'm curious), CSM, and Orks are some of the weaker dexes.

Where do Grey Knights fit into that paradigm?

Grey Knight, while not top tier, are still a top mid-tier codex.....because DreadKnights.

I usually run 2 dreads in my list and as much as they are alot to deal with i find that people still deal with them very easily with alot of ap2. Take the Dreadknights away and what are the Grey Knights?

Here's a tournament system Im going to do later on this year. I pretty much knocks all the stupid stuff out of 40k

25% min points on troops
up to 25% points spent on HQ, ELITES, FAST, HEAVY, ALLIES, FORMATIONS, LORDS OF WAR.

1 force org as presented in the Combined arms, no special detachments.

0-2 limit on everything outside of troops, 0-3 limit on dedicated transports

2 source limit

No fortification networks

If Anything is being abused you restrict it further, eventually can go book to book. If something is not fitting right then make exceptions.

I'm fairly infamous for being extremely salty regarding GW's ideas of balance and game design, and yet I still think this is remarkably silly. Dakkadakka does host a large 40k player poplation relative to its competition online community wise, but you're almost certainly not reaching enough people to really affect GW's practices by shouting from this particular podium.

Rav - that does nothing to limit the Eldar book at all, as it majors on highly effective troops and not really needing anything other than the CAD at all.

Like most blanket comps like this it also knocks anyone out from even considering running assassins, etc.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Rav - that does nothing to limit the Eldar book at all, as it majors on highly effective troops and not really needing anything other than the CAD at all.

Like most blanket comps like this it also knocks anyone out from even considering running assassins, etc.

Like I said, make changes. That's the base line. I'll have to see what jetbikes are like but if they are too crazy drop them to 1 per 3 models. Done.

Assassins can be a ally source, you just have to dial back the insane detachment shenanigans

Yes they can be an ally source, but is it worthwhile taking up your 1 other "source" allowance on a lone assassin?

What about detahcments composed of formations? (Decurion, Slaught cult, etc)

While I have no issue in general with trying to comp, blanket systems such as this really struggle. You still cannt cut the compleexity down sufficiently I dont think, while still working within the very loose system GW has gone with. FOr example Be'lakor IS a HQ choice for a chaos marine army, but as he coems from a slate is that another "source"? He technically isnt (the slate is subsumed within the codex RAW)

Swedish Comp is pretty great, but it's not keeping up with the times, now that GW is releasing something every time you turn around.

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Finally, someone had to say it

 clamclaw wrote:

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Finally, someone had to say it

...using the longest run-on sentence I've ever read in my entire life.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Yes they can be an ally source, but is it worthwhile taking up your 1 other "source" allowance on a lone assassin?

What about detahcments composed of formations? (Decurion, Slaught cult, etc)

While I have no issue in general with trying to comp, blanket systems such as this really struggle. You still cannt cut the compleexity down sufficiently I dont think, while still working within the very loose system GW has gone with. FOr example Be'lakor IS a HQ choice for a chaos marine army, but as he coems from a slate is that another "source"? He technically isnt (the slate is subsumed within the codex RAW)

Flat out ban on the combined formation detachments, they have shown to be too abusable. Plus half of them don't work with the 0-2 limits. Works just fine and makes for better 40k Da Boyz GT does it and its actually a good time.


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 Purifier wrote:
Swedish Comp is pretty great, but it's not keeping up with the times, now that GW is releasing something every time you turn around.

That's the thing, GW seems to be actively trying to counter tournament systems.

If the new Eldar do end up playing too much like lol Wut the result will be lots of house rules pretty much everywhere to compensate, any group I have ever played with has been the same, identify something that is just broken and mess around with it until it works.

Lsjreadingpa wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Lsjreadingpa wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
DE, DA, BA (hence why I'm curious), CSM, and Orks are some of the weaker dexes.

Where do Grey Knights fit into that paradigm?

Grey Knight, while not top tier, are still a top mid-tier codex.....because DreadKnights.

I usually run 2 dreads in my list and as much as they are alot to deal with i find that people still deal with them very easily with alot of ap2. Take the Dreadknights away and what are the Grey Knights?

You could say the same about Tyranids; what do they have other than the Flyrant?

Same for Tau and the Riptide.

SGTPozy wrote:

Lsjreadingpa wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Lsjreadingpa wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
DE, DA, BA (hence why I'm curious), CSM, and Orks are some of the weaker dexes.

Where do Grey Knights fit into that paradigm?

Grey Knight, while not top tier, are still a top mid-tier codex.....because DreadKnights.

I usually run 2 dreads in my list and as much as they are alot to deal with i find that people still deal with them very easily with alot of ap2. Take the Dreadknights away and what are the Grey Knights?

You could say the same about Tyranids; what do they have other than the Flyrant?

Same for Tau and the Riptide.

I agree. You can say that for most every army, there is one or two lynch pin units that "make" the entire faction. When there isn't it means that they are either terribly, woefully, outclassed or top tier (Daemons, Eldar).

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 clamclaw wrote:

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Finally, someone had to say it

...using the longest run-on sentence I've ever read in my entire life.

You say run-on, I say seeping with raw emotion. Who has time for punctuation in the heat of the moment?!

 clamclaw wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 clamclaw wrote:

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Finally, someone had to say it

...using the longest run-on sentence I've ever read in my entire life.

You say run-on, I say seeping with raw emotion. Who has time for punctuation in the heat of the moment?!

Patrick Rothfuss?

 clamclaw wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 clamclaw wrote:

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Finally, someone had to say it

...using the longest run-on sentence I've ever read in my entire life.

You say run-on, I say seeping with raw emotion. Who has time for punctuation in the heat of the moment?!

fething perfect.

 clamclaw wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 clamclaw wrote:

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Finally, someone had to say it

...using the longest run-on sentence I've ever read in my entire life.

You say run-on, I say seeping with raw emotion. Who has time for punctuation in the heat of the moment?!

you can't expect politeness and respect when you're defending the company that makes your favorite game of toy soldiers. I mean, if you have a criticism of a product you've spent hundreds of dollars and hours pn you must be a terrible person.

I thought it was great. I can't wait for the rambling whines after someone actually gets their gak pushed in at a tournament.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I thought it was great. I can't wait for the rambling whines after someone actually gets their gak pushed in at a tournament.

is that crudety really necessary?

 Rippy wrote:

 cvtuttle wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The only way to get a message through to the big GW that this is completely unacceptable way to make a codex is to throw up a gak storm. The biggest way to do that? Well show them we won't even play with them. I know I intend to. Many of my players in my local FLGS intend to. Though I need to convince them to ban them from tournaments all together. The more the Eldar players complain and bitch about us complaining and bitching about their so obviously broken and favoritism codex the faster we can wrap this up. It's going to get messy before the end though. These half measures and trying to be "reasonable" with GW and even a certain subset of Eldar players is clearly not working. So it's time to kick things up a notch.

Can I at least get people who will agree to no games with them?

If there are any Eldar players out there with any remorse or guilt for the entire health of the game and 40k scene I implore you to do one of two things. Cheese the ever loving gak out of your codex and get yourself loathed and banned. Or don't play at all. Thanks.

As always the bigger we make this the quicker we'll get an answer.

Thanks. Remember cause mayhem. This Eldar Codex can't be allowed to stand.

I Gamgee swear to throw up a gak storm and use any method possible to get GW attention.

Edit
Since I started this thread and including myself there are four people who will no longer play against Eldar players. All it takes is a little team work. I'll continue to update this.
If I missed your name send me a PM or let me know in the thread and I'll add it.

Operation Members:
Gamgee
Orock
Torga_DW
Rippy

This is the silliest thing I have ever read. Seriously - just go play another game that you will enjoy.

I do enjoy the game. Alot. Doesn't mean that I have to like every part of it. This forum is for discussion, not just loving or hating every single part of a game. So you go away as you have nothing to discuss


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That being said I will play against Eldar, just not cheese spam lists.

The problem is that this ISN'T even a discussion. It's just a bunch of people shouting at each other in response to an inflammatory post. You are right though. I'll go away. Nothing of value to see here.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 + OTHERS - Alpharius]

Well this got weird real fast.

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

Lol first post on Dakka is this. Sigh.


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So in conclusion to this thread, we all agree that Eldar SHOULD be banned from the competitive scene. Signed, everyone.

In the grim future of march 2016 nobody will remember.

The great slaughter following the 9th edition Warhammer Fantasy and Codex: Ultra Marines release that killed 24% of the worlds population will have passed.

The great halls of GW HQ in Nottingham, once filled with the ominous echoes of the rules writers typing, will be naught but a carcass. It's archaic ruins shall remain an empty, burnt out skeleton, fit only but to scare the missshaped children of the few survivors.

Legend has it that in it's deep and forgotten dungeons cabals of diabolically insane, frothing madmen congregate. 'tis the inbred mutant offspring of those few board members who survived the fall of the stars from the heavens. In the darkest of nights they are plotting their rise from the radio active ashes of what once was the August Jarldom of Bré-Taynnhe, to once again oust their noble and bright overlords of the Warm'Achine clan of the Hordes.

Edit: Reread the above and imagine it being read in the voice of this dapper chap: http://evestus.bandcamp.com/track/visions-of-before

dale_house wrote:
Are you really that butt hurt about some new rules for models yh they are powerful but its just a game your life doesn't depend on it have fun and stop whining you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds who don't get what they want it seriously mature the game is about adapting to what your fighting against you can just ban a race from tournaments, think about it all the eldar players who have spent thousands on getting there armies and then boom they can't use them if it were the other way round and your army got banned cause some butt hurt power gamers hated them you would be pretty pissed you had spent all that money and now its out the window. so stop being butt hurt go play the game have fun and enjoy your self its not all about winning so please grow a pair and stop acting like prepubescent 5 year olds....

How do you expect people to take your opinion seriously if you can't even form a coherent sentence? Trying to read that gave me a headache.

Akiasura wrote:

You actually did not say that. I bolded it to help you.

Yeah, you are right. Sorry for that, I was tired
Nonetheless, I meant it to be different. 40k is hard to learn but easy to master, WMH is the opposite.

Akiasura wrote:

If you're into modeling, 40k is fine. It has zero roleplaying elements in it.
As I said before, I challenge someone to find a roleplaying aspect to the game in the rules.

Maybe you should actually read the rulebook. The 'Forging a Narrative' bits all encourage you to roleplay (like that one on challenges which says you should adress a challenge 'in character')

Akiasura wrote:

My warlord represents me? Funny, I don't wake up everyday with a new set of abilities that I previously forgot
If the rulebook is full of roleplaying elements, it should be easy for someone to mention some. I see nothing about your characters growing with you, leveling up, working with a dungeon master/Gm/St or any other roleplaying elements. 40k used to have this too, but dropped it.

Have you actually ever read the rulebook? Read the introduction and the 'Spirit of the Game' and 'Forging a Narrative' boxes. Also, leveling up etc. are not necessary for something to be a roleplaying game.

Akiasura wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
40k has worked that way across it's entire existence. Editions are defined by what was the most competitive list at the time, not who were the best players like you see in other games.
Again, you don't understand what a matchup is, so it's hard to have a discussion about how competitive something is when you don't have the jargon down.
Leaf blower, rhino rush, 5e grey knights, falcon spam, Siren bomb. The names of the lists have nicknames. In other games the players have nicknames, like JVM, M2K, Boss.
It shows you what players focus on when they talk about the game.

In Warmachine and FoW lists have names too. (Winter Guard deathstar anyone?)

Which is not the name of a list, it is the name of a unit. A unit that operates differently depending on if it is taken with butcher, Vlad, or another caster.
It takes about 15 points to make one, out of the 55+ points you get. So no, not a list.
That's like me saying Molik Missle is a list. It isn't, it's about 12 points in a unit taken with Makeda 2. I still have 40 points of list to make, and it will impact how I play heavily.
Tiers are an exception, but that's how they work.

5e Grey Knights is the name of a codex, not a list. The others, like the WGDS, refer to certain tactics, not to certain lists. Lists do not have names in 40k, unless they are formations.

I'm not the one who said that WGDS was the name of a list, someone else did. It's not really a tactic set so much as a combo of units + solo, which a majority of casters in Khador can run.
5e grey knights had a few lists that were op, the craziest being the henchmen spam build.
But just to give a list of special names attributed to lists in 40k;
Rhino Rush
Leaf blower
The Bakery
The Flying Circus

There are a few more. Lists in 40k have names

They are not specific lists, but certain combinations of units or tactics.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

You actually did not say that. I bolded it to help you.

Yeah, you are right. Sorry for that, I was tired
Nonetheless, I meant it to be different. 40k is hard to learn but easy to master, WMH is the opposite.

No harm, but I would drop the condescending tone next time you're wrong. I still feel you are wrong, and don't often hear this from people who play both, but it's very subjective I suppose.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

If you're into modeling, 40k is fine. It has zero roleplaying elements in it.
As I said before, I challenge someone to find a roleplaying aspect to the game in the rules.

Maybe you should actually read the rulebook. The 'Forging a Narrative' bits all encourage you to roleplay (like that one on challenges which says you should adress a challenge 'in character')

Like this. It does nothing for your argument.
Roleplaying elements, RPGs, usually involve having a character stay with you for multiple sessions. I struggle to think of a game that doesn't do this that defines itself as an rpg.
In table tops, you usually work with a group of players towards a goal and build a story together. These games have moderators.
I'm not sure if you're group makes fun of the "Forge the Narrative" bits, like everyone at my group does (and most of the internet) but addressing a challenge in character isn't really the elements of a roleplaying game. It's not in the rules themselves, it's just a side bit, so my challenge still stands.

Take my Chaos army for example.
My character is an Alpha Legion warlord. He is a sneaky character who only cares about killing the enemy in the most complicated way to demonstrate his genius.
But now a guardsmen has insulted my mother. Time to drop everything I'm doing and accept that challenge and receive a chaos gift (despite the fact Alpha legion tends not to mutate much) because reasons.
Such roleplaying.

If you want to see a 40k roleplaying game, look at Necromunda or GorkaMorka. Your characters level up, wounds carry over, you keep the same characters, you end up telling stories about your characters (by game 3 everyone refers to all the models by name, nobody says Gang leader) and all the amazing things they did. Characters develop nicknames. When one gets captured you rescue them. Retiring them because of too many wounds actually pains you.
I can't tell you the name of any of my friends commanders in 40k in all my years of playing this game.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

My warlord represents me? Funny, I don't wake up everyday with a new set of abilities that I previously forgot
If the rulebook is full of roleplaying elements, it should be easy for someone to mention some. I see nothing about your characters growing with you, leveling up, working with a dungeon master/Gm/St or any other roleplaying elements. 40k used to have this too, but dropped it.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Have you actually ever read the rulebook? Read the introduction and the 'Spirit of the Game' and 'Forging a Narrative' boxes. Also, leveling up etc. are not necessary for something to be a roleplaying game.

And this. Being polite doesn't hurt anyone.
No, but generally a moderator, a character that continues with you over multiple battles and experiences some sort of growth is, or some sort of goal outside of "kill the thing and grab the stuff" is.
In 40k, I can't even decline a challenge with my warlord because I play Chaos. Despite me wanting to roleplay a cowardly Alpha Legion marine who hides his fear beneath contempt for the other general.
Because reasons. The forging the narrative bits are widely considered a joke.
Is there anything in the game (or the rules) that have a roleplaying element? Other then GW telling you it does because reasons?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Akiasura wrote:
40k has worked that way across it's entire existence. Editions are defined by what was the most competitive list at the time, not who were the best players like you see in other games.
Again, you don't understand what a matchup is, so it's hard to have a discussion about how competitive something is when you don't have the jargon down.
Leaf blower, rhino rush, 5e grey knights, falcon spam, Siren bomb. The names of the lists have nicknames. In other games the players have nicknames, like JVM, M2K, Boss.
It shows you what players focus on when they talk about the game.

In Warmachine and FoW lists have names too. (Winter Guard deathstar anyone?)

Which is not the name of a list, it is the name of a unit. A unit that operates differently depending on if it is taken with butcher, Vlad, or another caster.
It takes about 15 points to make one, out of the 55+ points you get. So no, not a list.
That's like me saying Molik Missle is a list. It isn't, it's about 12 points in a unit taken with Makeda 2. I still have 40 points of list to make, and it will impact how I play heavily.
Tiers are an exception, but that's how they work.

5e Grey Knights is the name of a codex, not a list. The others, like the WGDS, refer to certain tactics, not to certain lists. Lists do not have names in 40k, unless they are formations.

I'm not the one who said that WGDS was the name of a list, someone else did. It's not really a tactic set so much as a combo of units + solo, which a majority of casters in Khador can run.
5e grey knights had a few lists that were op, the craziest being the henchmen spam build.
But just to give a list of special names attributed to lists in 40k;
Rhino Rush
Leaf blower
The Bakery
The Flying Circus

There are a few more. Lists in 40k have names

They are not specific lists, but certain combinations of units or tactics.

What is a list but a combination of units?

The difference between WMH and 40k is that the WGDS, for example, isn't the entire list. It's maybe 30% at best and can change quite a bit. It usually consists of 1 unit, some attachments (equivalent to weapons in 40k), and a solo.
The bakery is the bakery. I know it's going to contain a ton of Necron flyers that will be filled with troops. I know 60-80% of the list before I begin.
I know henchmen spam is going to contain a SC, henchmen armed with meltas and plasma guns, and rhinos. I know 60-80% of the list before I begin.
I know Leafblower is going to contain an awful lot of chimeras and a few other tanks. I know 60-80% of the list before I begin.
I know Rhino rush is a marine list with troops in transports that is going to dash towards me. I know 60-80% of the list before I begin.

This is due to the extremely spammy nature of 40k. The game is about taking a unit that is good in most situations, or very skewy, and spamming it until your opponent either is forced to design a hard counter that doesn't work against anything else, or face defeat. At least at the competitive level.