Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...

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**Albatross**

I honestly thought it was one of the worst films I've seen in quite some time.

**Frazzled**

Albatross wrote:
I honestly thought it was one of the worst films I've seen in quite some time.

Are we talking worse than Return of the Jedi Bad or Worse than Twilight bad?

**Paradigm**

Frazzled wrote:
Albatross wrote:
I honestly thought it was one of the worst films I've seen in quite some time.

Are we talking worse than Return of the Jedi Bad or Worse than Twilight bad?

Hang on, what the heck is wrong with RotJ? Aside from the Ewoks, I mean?

**Frazzled**

Er....Ewoks...

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Paradigm wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Albatross wrote:
I honestly thought it was one of the worst films I've seen in quite some time.

Are we talking worse than Return of the Jedi Bad or Worse than Twilight bad?

Hang on, what the heck is wrong with RotJ? Aside from the Ewoks, I mean?

Right! It's well established that RotJ is the weakest of the Original Trilogy, but nowhere near as bad to be used as a standard by which other bad films are judged.

**Sasori**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Albatross wrote:
I honestly thought it was one of the worst films I've seen in quite some time.

Are we talking worse than Return of the Jedi Bad or Worse than Twilight bad?

Hang on, what the heck is wrong with RotJ? Aside from the Ewoks, I mean?
Right! It's well established that RotJ is the weakest of the Original Trilogy, but nowhere near as bad to be used a standard by which other bad films are judged.

I've generally prefered ROTJ to A New Hope..

Then again, I actually like the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith so...

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Sasori wrote:

Then again, I actually like the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith so...

Your opinion matters not!

**reds8n**

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2854741?lt_source=external,manual

do NOT read the above if you're yet to/watching the Daredevil TV show.

**H.B.M.C.**

I think that article is really reaching. Like, Mr. Fantastic reaching.

Clickbait all the way.

**reds8n**

Aye.

I feel if anything things like the poster are more likely to be just in jokes for the crew and the ever alert horde of people with too much time on their hands.

**Paradigm**

Yeah, I agree. Clutching at straws.

However, I do hope DD shows up in Civil War, he's a pretty integral part of Cap's team in the comic (although isn't Danny Rand DD at that point, while Matt is off doing something with the Hand in Japan? Either way, I want DD in CW!

)

**Mr Morden**

Watched it last night with a friend and both she and I thought it was awesome and easily on a par with the first Avengers film.

Pretty much flawless in terms on plot, characterisation, style and humour - fight scenes were brilliant - the whole Hawkeye story was so well done

Can't actually think of a bad thing in it.....

**trexmeyer**

Kanluwen wrote:
I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.

That was the best part of the film for me. Especially after the raging debates between the other heroes about being "worthy." All in all, I felt like it was better than the first film and that Ultron was actually a better villain than Loki, but then again I am a Loki-hater, partly because his rabid legion of foaming at the mouth fan girls is rather tiresome.

**creeping-deth87**

DarkLink wrote:
creeping-deth87 wrote:
I was majorly disappointed.

Spoiler:

There were WAY too many heroes. Four plus Hawkeye and Black Widow as sidekicks definitely seems like the magic number. The original cast plus Scarlet Witch, plus Quicksilver, plus Vision, was serious hero overload. I will say though that my favourite part of the movie was Scarlet Witch making the whole team freak out. I think a lot more could have been done with that, and would have gone a long way to making the movie a lot more personal than the last one. I also feel like a lot more could have been done with the team while they were at the house. I actually really liked that Thor had to leave to figure himself out, and thought it would have been great if they all had to conquer their inner demons on their own before coming back to kick some ass, but instead they just sit around playing house with Hawkeye's family.

Ultron was an incredibly lame villain. I think he would have been great in a standalone Iron Man film, and he would have been a lot more interesting than the villains in the last two Iron Man movies, but he just didn't fit the bill for me for an Avengers movie. He just didn't have his gak together and seemed like he was totally out of his league. The movie was also amazingly anticlimactic. I really got the sense that they were building up for an awesome showdown where Ultron takes them all on at once, but that's not what happens. They just fight his goons, then Scarlet Witch shows up and rips his heart out. So. Dull.

Unfortunately it seems like future installments are going to be piling on even more characters, so it's very unlikely I'll enjoy Infinity War. Ah well, still have X-Men Apocalypse to look forward to.

There are practical reasons they didn't do this. Namely, the movie would be about six hours long. Also, the emphasis on "just playing house with family" is literally the essence of the movie's theme. The whole point of the movie is that everyone wants to retire and live in peace, but the they're not sure if the things they do fighting for that peace makes them monsters, or if they themselves could ever put down the shield and live in peace.

If the idea couldn't work without being five or six hours long, then frankly it shouldn't have been turned into a movie. They should have gone with something that more easily fit into a two and a half hour medium, instead of giving us something that felt like it would've been better off as a miniseries. As to playing house being a central theme, yeah sure I can get behind that. The point I was trying to make (poorly it would seem) is that they could've done much more interesting things than lounging around the house while still dealing with the doubt of ever being able to retire, or wondering if they themselves are creating the problems they're facing.

EDIT: I think, to summarize my own feelings about it, it just feels like a serious missed opportunity. I really liked the themes they were playing around with, dealing with their fears and what not, but the execution left so much to be desired. I may also have liked the movie a lot more if we had a better villain.

**MWHistorian**

Saw it. Loved it.
Scarlet Witch was definitely the coolest new character.
Hawkeye was surprisingly cool in this and probably the most grounded and stable of the Avengers.
Can't wait to see Klaw in "Black Panther." That dude had screen presence!
James Spader was brilliant as Ultron.
I wanted to see Falcon in the climax. :(
Hulk vs Iron Man fight was worth price of admission alone.

**Mr Morden**

trexmeyer wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.

That was the best part of the film for me. Especially after the raging debates between the other heroes about being "worthy." All in all, I felt like it was better than the first film and that Ultron was actually a better villain than Loki, but then again I am a Loki-hater, partly because his rabid legion of foaming at the mouth fan girls is rather tiresome.

Indeed - that was one of very many clever and understated moments - Hakweye's often world weary asides worked really well. The whole BW/Banner story was nicely done and a bit of a surprise.

Its films so its always subjective but I do feel that to make a good "dark "moment or film - humour is required as a counterpoint.....- I am hoping that DC gets a humour transplant soon.

**hotsauceman1**

Anyone feel that the Avengers Movies follow a similiar thread?
1: Small Action at the beggining(Loki Invading, The avengers attacking strukers compound)
2: Small intermediate action(Loki in germany, Ultron appearing)
3: Big Fight Scene(The Heli Carrier assaulted, The boat/ city fight scene
4: The avengers getting sad and down
5: Final Big Action scene(New York. South Korea and the fight on the floating city. Im counting those as one because there is a 5 min gap)

I just feel that the Avengers movies Lack the ability to do anything but action. Maybe a few char moments

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Mr Morden wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.

That was the best part of the film for me. Especially after the raging debates between the other heroes about being "worthy." All in all, I felt like it was better than the first film and that Ultron was actually a better villain than Loki, but then again I am a Loki-hater, partly because his rabid legion of foaming at the mouth fan girls is rather tiresome.

Indeed - that was one of very many clever and understated moments - Hakweye's often world weary asides worked really well. The whole BW/Banner story was nicely done and a bit of a surprise.

Its films so its always subjective but I do feel that to make a good "dark "moment or film - humour is required as a counterpoint.....- I am hoping that DC gets a humour transplant soon.

Well, notice the jokes in the final action scene. there where like 3 for it. They have to understand that breaking action is required or we get bored of it.

**Paradigm**

To an extent. However, there are a) enough difference that you don't feel like you're watching the same film twice, and b) you're not really watching for the plot structure, so much as the development of the various sub-plots, strands from previous/future films, and and the visually epic action.

That said, AoU definitely had enough twists that it didn't ever feel predictable, or boring.

**Frazzled**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Anyone feel that the Avengers Movies follow a similiar thread?
1: Small Action at the beggining(Loki Invading, The avengers attacking strukers compound)
2: Small intermediate action(Loki in germany, Ultron appearing)
3: Big Fight Scene(The Heli Carrier assaulted, The boat/ city fight scene
4: The avengers getting sad and down
5: Final Big Action scene(New York. South Korea and the fight on the floating city. Im counting those as one because there is a 5 min gap)

I just feel that the Avengers movies Lack the ability to do anything but action. Maybe a few char moments

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Mr Morden wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.

That was the best part of the film for me. Especially after the raging debates between the other heroes about being "worthy." All in all, I felt like it was better than the first film and that Ultron was actually a better villain than Loki, but then again I am a Loki-hater, partly because his rabid legion of foaming at the mouth fan girls is rather tiresome.

Indeed - that was one of very many clever and understated moments - Hakweye's often world weary asides worked really well. The whole BW/Banner story was nicely done and a bit of a surprise.

Its films so its always subjective but I do feel that to make a good "dark "moment or film - humour is required as a counterpoint.....- I am hoping that DC gets a humour transplant soon.

Well, notice the jokes in the final action scene. there where like 3 for it. They have to understand that breaking action is required or we get bored of it.

Dude you're watching a movie about a comic book group. If you want drama, plot etc. you have to see a real movie.

**hotsauceman1**

Ok, I will go watch. The Winter Soldier, Great Plot, Or Ohh, How about the drama that was Thor 2?

**Squidmanlolz**

Age of Ultron was good, very good. IMO, it suffered from two main problems.
First off, it was crowded. There was a menagerie of main characters and it just felt over-crowded, though this offered some cool, comic-book shots.
Second, Ultron was too human. Ultron's lips and face emoted far too much for what is supposed to be a machine. This killed any intimidation Ultron was supposed to present, which left him relying on his imposing stature alone.

**nkelsch**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, I will go watch. The Winter Soldier, Great Plot, Or Ohh, How about the drama that was Thor 2?

Considering Thor 2 was setting the stage for one of the Infinity stones, it is worth a watch. It was basically an entire film designed to introduce the RED MacGuffin and show it got handed off the 'the collector' which was then after the PURPLE MacGuffin from GotG.

So we basically know what/where 4 of the 6 MacGuffins are. Red, Blue, Yellow and Purple.

Another interesting thing... every 'nemesis' bad guy of the heroes is killed directly by the infinity stone:

Red Skull (cap's nemesis) was destroyed by the Blue Infinity stone
The hammer badguy from GotG was destroyed by the Purple Infinity stone
The Dark Elf King (thor's Nemesis) was destroyed by the Red infinity stone
Ultron (ironam's nemesis) was explicitly killed by the Yellow infinity stone

So that leaves room that Thanos possibly has those villains captured in the stones and can be brought back by them. Imagine a one-on-one recap of the series villains.

**nels1031**

nkelsch wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, I will go watch. The Winter Soldier, Great Plot, Or Ohh, How about the drama that was Thor 2?

Considering Thor 2 was setting the stage for one of the Infinity stones, it is worth a watch. It was basically an entire film designed to introduce the RED MacGuffin and show it got handed off the 'the collector' which was then after the PURPLE MacGuffin from GotG.

So we basically know what/where 4 of the 6 MacGuffins are. Red, Blue, Yellow and Purple.

Another interesting thing... every 'nemesis' bad guy of the heroes is killed directly by the infinity stone:

Red Skull (cap's nemesis) was destroyed by the Blue Infinity stone
The hammer badguy from GotG was destroyed by the Purple Infinity stone
The Dark Elf King (thor's Nemesis) was destroyed by the Red infinity stone
Ultron (ironam's nemesis) was explicitly killed by the Yellow infinity stone

So that leaves room that Thanos possibly has those villains captured in the stones and can be brought back by them. Imagine a one-on-one recap of the series villains.

Ronin the Accuser is the "hammer badguys" name.

Played by the same dude that portrayed the annoying elf king in the Hobbit series. It blew my mind when I found that out.

**Frazzled**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, I will go watch. The Winter Soldier, Great Plot, Or Ohh, How about the drama that was Thor 2?

Are you being serious or sarcastic?

**reds8n**

nkelsch wrote:

Ultron (ironam's nemesis) was explicitly killed by the Yellow infinity stone

Whilst I agree with the other suggestions IIRC we don't actually see him kill him right ?

.. and he did say earlier he didn't want to kill/end him as he was/is unique or something yeah ?

I figured it was a nice way to perhaps leave him free to return in someway/someday to battle the Avengers again.

.. which in essence is more or less what you're saying of course.

.. ..course when Stark loaded up his "Friday" new IA y'all saw one of the other files was called Jocasta right ?

**H.B.M.C.**

Frazzled wrote:
Dude you're watching a movie about a comic book group. If you want drama, plot etc. you have to see a real movie.

You say a lot of ignorant things Fraz, but 'see a real movie' might be the biggest you've said in a while.

**Frazzled**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Dude you're watching a movie about a comic book group. If you want drama, plot etc. you have to see a real movie.

You say a lot of ignorant things Fraz, but 'see a real movie' might be the biggest you've said in a while.

Thats nothing. You should have heard me shouting at a Canadian a few minutes about the cash management for a client. Ignorance, + BS + outright bullying = PROFIT!

Seriously though. This is a Marvel comic book movie. The "quiet moments" are only there for a break in the action scenes. Its not even on the deep level of a Spiderman or Batman movie, much less something truly great like Das Boot or African Queen. That doesn't make it bad, thats just not its thing. After all, you don't go watch Titus or She Stoops To Conquer and expect a $200mm CGI budget.

**hotsauceman1**

Maybe it was all the independent movies(Seriously, 5$ admissions and a 2$ large soda? Count me in) I have been seeing lol.

**angelofvengeance**

nkelsch wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, I will go watch. The Winter Soldier, Great Plot, Or Ohh, How about the drama that was Thor 2?

Considering Thor 2 was setting the stage for one of the Infinity stones, it is worth a watch. It was basically an entire film designed to introduce the RED MacGuffin and show it got handed off the 'the collector' which was then after the PURPLE MacGuffin from GotG.

So we basically know what/where 4 of the 6 MacGuffins are. Red, Blue, Yellow and Purple.

Another interesting thing... every 'nemesis' bad guy of the heroes is killed directly by the infinity stone:

Red Skull (cap's nemesis) was destroyed by the Blue Infinity stone
The hammer badguy from GotG was destroyed by the Purple Infinity stone
The Dark Elf King (thor's Nemesis) was destroyed by the Red infinity stone
Ultron (ironam's nemesis) was explicitly killed by the Yellow infinity stone

So that leaves room that Thanos possibly has those villains captured in the stones and can be brought back by them. Imagine a one-on-one recap of the series villains.

I actually think the Tesseract didn't destroy Red Skull, but transported him to Sanctuary for a bit of time with Thanos. I think he'll make an appearance in the Infinity War films for sure.

**Albatross**

Frazzled wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Dude you're watching a movie about a comic book group. If you want drama, plot etc. you have to see a real movie.

You say a lot of ignorant things Fraz, but 'see a real movie' might be the biggest you've said in a while.

Thats nothing. You should have heard me shouting at a Canadian a few minutes about the cash management for a client. Ignorance, + BS + outright bullying = PROFIT!

Seriously though. This is a Marvel comic book movie. The "quiet moments" are only there for a break in the action scenes. Its not even on the deep level of a Spiderman or Batman movie, much less something truly great like Das Boot or African Queen. That doesn't make it bad, thats just not its thing. After all, you don't go watch Titus or She Stoops To Conquer and expect a $200mm CGI budget.

I actually kind of agree with you here, Fraz. It just felt like I was watching someone else play a really expensively produced next-gen console game, the source material for which I needed an intimate knowledge of in order for it to be anything other than a noisy spectacle.