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I have refused games before due to time constraints or that I just dislike the person requesting the game and know it wont be fun.

Absolutes versus no absolutes. You can ask the other guy to run a softer list or ask for more terrain if you don't think you're going to have fun, there's a middle ground between "sure, game as set up right now" and "no, no game".

No not really. Whatever the system, venue, etc. I'm the poor bastard who voluntarily plays against "irritating players" (often who aren't 100% mentally responsible for it) to keep up good feelings and prevent other people from losing their temper. Started to prevent our driver from having to go home angry, and I carried on because I don't mind.
In some less formal tournament scenes I've noticed I get paired up with young or abraisive players a lot because the venue manager knows I'm patient/soft in the head.

Game's a game, as long as it's fun to play, I'll carry on regardless. (Doesn't extend to cheaters or abusive people)

If I really don't think the game will be fun, I won't play it. That can be player experiences or just bad army matchups. But I've certainly passed on games before, and have to do so increasingly more often with the absurdity possible in this edition.

I have never had a reason to refuse a game, but after a couple valiant last stands against 7e eldar, I'll probably be tired of them.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Have you ever refused to play a game and if so, why?

I'm tempted to stop playing at my local GW as the only terrain that they usually have 1-6 pieces on the board, of which two actually blocks line of sight. Being a player that usually relies on cover saves (Nids, DE, possibly Orks soon) it gets tiresome walking into the rain of fire that is my usual opponents (gunline Tau, AM and Space Marines). They are all brilliant people and my friends, I just want something to help protect ma guys without resorting to the controversial Void Shield, if that makes sense

Wouldn't the solution be to roll for terrain ? You roll a D3 for each square foot, and then take turns placing it in sections. One piece at a time or one section at a time.
Or simply add more terrain. Don't refuse to play the game. Just use the rolling method since it is fair. While just putting up six pieces of terrain isn't unless it is agreed on.

Now not relating to you, but in general If you pass on games because they are tough you will never learn to beat them, and are kind of a baby.

I agree it is typically the person you know from experience will brow-beat you during a game, lose angrily, win with comments of how much you suck that I just do not have time for: game time is "precious" and I do not need someone lessening the experience. I do not mind even an insurmountable challenge, but I do mind poor grace.

 Talizvar wrote:
I agree it is typically the person you know from experience will brow-beat you during a game, lose angrily, win with comments of how much you suck that I just do not have time for: game time is "precious" and I do not need someone lessening the experience. I do not mind even an insurmountable challenge, but I do mind poor grace.

It's kind of social obviously so if someone sucks to be around you won't want to be stuck with them for four hours haha. That is pretty understandable.

Other = I'm tired and hungry

jakejackjake wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
I agree it is typically the person you know from experience will brow-beat you during a game, lose angrily, win with comments of how much you suck that I just do not have time for: game time is "precious" and I do not need someone lessening the experience. I do not mind even an insurmountable challenge, but I do mind poor grace.

It's kind of social obviously so if someone sucks to be around you won't want to be stuck with them for four hours haha. That is pretty understandable.

If the game wont be fun and I am not at a tournament why bother, it is much more fun to play a friendly game against an opponent I enjoy playing against. There is at least 1 person(thankfully he is incarcerated at this time) who I have decided to never play again, one day I came into the FLGS and he said something like Hey <Tak> want to play a game? i did not feel like making up an excuse not to play him and just gave him a flat no, which annoyed him but other people got a good chuckle cause they know I hate him.

I've refused a few games over the years, usually from time constraints from starting too late. I believe I've flat out refused to play only once before. Local group was on a team game kick for a little bit, I wasn't a huge fan of a couple of the players, and already had a headache. So I bowed out as pleasantly as I could, grabbed a coffee, and watched for a few minutes until the rules arguing started during deployment.

People turn down games against me all the time :( Nobody feels like playing 40k much except for me, curse you Privateer Press! :(

I turn down donkey-caves, I get games in very rarely, but I rather not play then play with someone who is a jerk, or belittling in any way

I've only ever refused to play one specific person, because he cheats, is a lawyer, and is very good at convincing his opponent that what he just did was legal. Like the guy outside of gaming, hate playing him because he pulls me out of the hobby by making me play angry, and that's a bad way to play (for me).

SJ

Nope, never turned down a game. I'll play against any list until I figure out how to beat it. Luckily there aren't any donkey caves that I can't stand to be around in my local meta. Everyone is pretty chill and I'll go out on weekends and have a few beers with a lot of the guys I game with. There's one guy always hanging out at an FLGS that's really annoying but he refused to play me when I told him I only had drop pod grav star and serpent spam lists on me. Since then he doesn't even try to ask me for a game, which is fine by me.

There are a few reasons I will refuse a game.

I get a lot of Flak for it, but I see Forgeworld on any list and it's usually a no, at least for pick up games. If they want to practice for an upcoming event then sure. More often than not, they aren't even using the FW model with Battlescribe providing the rules. Even with the models, I'll usually play against them 1x, but after that I won't really budge.

The second reason I turn down games is using non-GW models. I don't mind 3rd party stuff mixed in, but the army should be mostly GW models. Similar to Forgeworld, I'm kind of a snob when it comes to supporting the company that makes the game. Lego armies exist, and often times other lines sneak in like Warmachine Jacks as Dreads, or Infinity units subbing for something. There was an article on BOLS about it, and it made a good argument for both sides.

The 3rd reason I refuse. They want to play event missions in standard games. I've been to a few shops that like to use the BAO/LVO or Adepticon missions. These are fine if you're planning to go to those events, but I kinda laugh when they try to convince me that they're the most balanced missions out there and that's the only reason they prefer them.

Last reason. They want to play Unbound by Proxy. I'm in favor of Unbound format and will usually play most Unbound lists. But to me the one rule that they are inflexible on is 'models that you own'. If you want to play 5 Chapter Masters on Bikes, then you'd better have 5 Chapter Masters on bikes, painted different chapters, and not some random collection of Ravenwing bikers left over from Dark Vengeance passed off as Chapter masters.

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On the flip side, I'm not hurt when someone refuses to play me because I'm a Necron player. For pick up games I'll even ask them if they want to play against a Decurion or not, since my list doesn't really change. Maybe they look at either of my lists and decide that they have nothing that can beat it, which has happened. I will usually offer to alter my list to play or remove whatever units they can't deal with. If it's not fun for them, I don't want them to play me.

 Akar wrote:
There are a few reasons I will refuse a game.

I get a lot of Flak for it, but I see Forgeworld on any list and it's usually a no, at least for pick up games. If they want to practice for an upcoming event then sure. More often than not, they aren't even using the FW model with Battlescribe providing the rules. Even with the models, I'll usually play against them 1x, but after that I won't really budge.

Why is FW such a "no-go" if they have the actual models?

Those DKoK are so broken you know, Vaktathi.

Much better to face Scatterbikes and Wraithknights so he stands a fighting chance.

I don't think I've ever beaten Eldar or Necrons with my DKoK

That said, I haven't seen Necrons lose a game since the new book came out...

 Haight wrote:
Unless it's a tournament, I will not play against people I dislike. My hobby time is pretty sparse, i'm not wasting it on dickheads.

This.

I have a good friend...we get along great and never have any issues until we play 40k, and he becomes extremely serious WAAC and gets very pissy every time he loses a model. Needless to say we don't play 40k anymore, and it's been working great. Some people have issues with leaving their personal life issues at the door - 40k becomes a win big or cry proposition because they're hoping for a win to boost their happiness to offset their personal problems.

Not exactly refused to play, but after I got my ass handed over to me by a list, and I felt I didn't had a chance at all, I convinced the guy to bring a bit lighter list for the rematch. I.e. drop the sicarans and bring codex only because I'm butthurt that it easily outguns my IG "gunline". I've lost the re-match too, that was because I didn't payed enough attention to objectives (first game of that kind).

Other reason.

Turned down a few gunline lists on several occasions. Boring to play, basically boiling down to a game of Yahtzee.

Cancelled a game with my housemate a few times... too much happy squig juice the night before

I've only played once in 20 years, and it involved shaving my 2K list down to 750; of course, the other guy was just picking up the random stuff he'd left on display in the store, and I was able to choose my list to start, so. Didn't seem too unfair. We slapped four huge ruins pieces, two barbed wire fences and two lines of picket/spike poles and it was awesome fun. I'm just sad I can't play this week due to my fibro jumping.

That being said, like others here, I've got my limits. It won't necessarily be spam lists; I use a version of Jy's pentyrant upped to 2K by slapping Regen on the flyrants to stress test my lists in Vassal. Though I don't think I'd like to play against those much IRL, since except for my own cheese lists, they tend to be too dependent on luck-- IF I go first or IF I can hit my average rather probability deciding to pants statistics plus one or two other lucky breaks... yeah, I don't know. It might feel edgy and tense and be cool. I guess in terms of a list, not person, I'd probably only stop after 2-3 games if I felt like the list just wasn't fun to play against. Even if it was something I kept winning against (which would be boring its own way for ANYTHING), if I had to just keep trying to slag a bunch of super-toughs that couldn't kill me until I lucked out or they unlucked out on saves wouldn't be a lot of fun.

People... I won't play with *ists; I don't have enough patience to put up with bs in my life anymore. I also won't play with people who make the experience a pain. We're playing with our little army people. It ain't life or death.

As for rules... even aside from the "it's a game not a job" aspect of the rules, they don't apply until you start playing the game. If you look at the list or the person and say "Nope, I'm out," the rules have never been in effect in the first place. That being said, if I got in the middle of a game and my opponent was being a serious tweeb, I'd leave if I couldn't convince them to knock it off and I wouldn't consider it a loss or a concession-- just good sense.

It's a classic in internet memes, but true nonetheless. Learn your Geek Social Fallacies and cut them out of your life; you'll feel much better.
http://www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html

Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil
Geek Social Fallacy #2: Friends Accept Me As I Am
Geek Social Fallacy #3: Friendship Before All
Geek Social Fallacy #4: Friendship Is Transitive
Geek Social Fallacy #5: Friends Do Everything Together

To me, the idea that you can't or shouldn't say nope to a screwed up situation is a clear case of #1 mixed with a bit of #3, 4, and 5 depending on whether or not friendship is involved.

I have refused a game twice. There's one guy there who is actually a decent kid, but asks the GW manager EVERY SINGLE TIME something seems a little bit too good. The other kid just cheats and then continues to talk smack the rest of the time. I swear on my life if I had a pound for every time he said how good his blood angels were, I could afford an entire titan legion. Direct from FW.

I've never refused a game but I have made it clear that I won't play some people again. You wouldn't fist pump at monopoly so why in 40k?

I always congratulate the winner on a good game and leave with a smile on my face apart from when my face is rubbed in the fact I've lost.

I've only refused maybe 2 or 3 games so far in my time playing. I tend to play with a local group, and we're pretty tight knit. But there are a few in the group who are, with no other way to say it, borderline 'that guy'. Now, I get people like to play powerful lists from time to time. Every game we play is arranged over our FB group, so we can ensure we have a proper time and place, as well as any restrictions we might want. We have a couple guys who don't exactly like to follow that way of doing things. They'll 'agree' to a game with specific restrictions (which tend to be basic, like no fliers, super heavies below X point values) but when they arrive, they have a list that doesn't meet the agreement.

In those cases, I will pack back up and go home. Some claim it makes me a 'poor sport', but I won't play a game with someone who can't even have integrity. You agreed to a game, but can't even adhere to the agreement. You're not worth my time and there's about 30 other people I can play with instead of you.

Otherwise, it takes quite a bit to get me to say no to a game. I play Orks, with a dabbling in Chaos Marines now. I've played on near barren landscapes, or really congested cities. I'll play on pretty much any board and any army if you're a cool person and we have a good time, and don't be a douchenozzle..

I had to refuse a game with a guy who was a regular at the store we played at, he was one of those people who goes ugh and sighs after every move, loss, bad role, and made us go 100% by the book with movement and line of sight and stuff, just didnt want to deal with it.

I've never refused a game, luckily only had one TFG that I played against. But my Orks slaughtered his Space Marines. I only lost once but that was with my Eldar back in 2007.

I only refused a game twice, to the same guy.

He's the kind of guy who'd sigh and groan every time he lost a unit, or complain about how unfair it would be.

And then if he was winning; he'd be dancing and hootin' and being a general dink about it.

It didn't help that he refused to believe some of the rules despite what the BrB said. So he just kinda made stuff up and tried to force issues.

It didn't help that he was doing this to new guys in the hobby that we had. We decided to take it easy on the guys because it was literally their first game; and he proceeded to smash them as bad as he could with no remorse. Then he'd be dancing and laughing at them when they took the models of the table.

After they played him they got out of the hobby. Basically they played a game, and then they decided to get out.

And then at a local tourney, he refused to believe me that the Ramshack table wasn't FAQ'd out (it was 6th, when we had a 5th codex). Despite the fact he was whooping my butt, he spent twenty minutes on his iphone trying to load the FAQ. The TO let me keep playing and watched me move my troops(unhappily, and having disagreed with his argument) as the guy spent the whole time on his phone looking for it.

So in the end I started refusing to game with him, and eventually alienated himself.