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IDK, i have seen that fight go either way multiple times. Also Draigo is the hardest Mary sue that ever Mary Sued. I dont hold any love for Abaddon, as i think there are far more interesting chaos characters *cough* Huron *Cough* Ahriman *Cough*, but to say that Abaddon is a complete failure and incompetant is wrong too. You guys make it seem like any marine could wast abbadon and do a much better job. Like it would be a piece of cake to jsut waltz in at take Terra. IF there was a bigger, badder, Chaos warlord he would have kicked the crap out of Abadon and taken over as warmaster of chaos by this point.

I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

The TT-fight is 66% in favor of Failabbaddon the Armless according to calculators.

You just have to love the thing about alone and unaided Draigo wiped the floor with a demigod of death and his bodyguard and then tortured him just because he got angry.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The TT-fight is 66% in favor of Failabbaddon the Armless according to calculators.

You just have to love the thing about alone and unaided Draigo wiped the floor with a demigod of death and his bodyguard and then tortured him just because he got angry.

As I was afraid.

Hell I know, Draigo will kill abandon and become new war master of chaos.

As I was afraid.

Hell I know, Draigo will kill abandon and become new war master of chaos.

I'd actually be interested in Draigo as a character if that happened.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

As I was afraid.

Hell I know, Draigo will kill abandon and become new war master of chaos.

I'd actually be interested in Draigo as a character if that happened.

I don't know if would be dumb or amazing, but at least chaos forces would had mary sue on their side.

Well, Draigo is already apparently in Slaanesh's pocket, so it's not that far off.

 curran12 wrote:
Well, Draigo is already apparently in Slaanesh's pocket, so it's not that far off.

Wait, wait WHAT? that's new to me, where this piece come from?

 Whiskered wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Well, Draigo is already apparently in Slaanesh's pocket, so it's not that far off.

Wait, wait WHAT? that's new to me, where this piece come from?

Some chaos fluff refers to a white knight that roamed the warp, but eventually was corrupted by Slaanesh. Some people (mostly Chaos players) speculate this is Draigo. Other people (mostly Grey Knight players) believe that this is simply lies spawned of the chaos gods.

 Whiskered wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Well, Draigo is already apparently in Slaanesh's pocket, so it's not that far off.

Wait, wait WHAT? that's new to me, where this piece come from?

He did something to some daemonettes that were special to Slaanesh. This is not a sexual comment.

 Whiskered wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Well, Draigo is already apparently in Slaanesh's pocket, so it's not that far off.

Wait, wait WHAT? that's new to me, where this piece come from?

It is inconclusive, but from the Daemon codex:



This is the more full story. Starts at "The Palace of Slaanesh"

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23511111/images/1362440862960.jpg

Now while it is certain that there is no mention by name of identifying detail of Draigo, I think there is a pretty solid case to be made that it is him. For one, the mention of silver repeatedly lends a visual ideal of what this wanderer is. Also, the fact that it is a powerful wanderer indeed. A lot is made about his willpower, another trait needed if one was to wander the Realm of Chaos for long and one that Draigo has in abundance.

That's very interesting I have to say, maybe there is hope for chaos after all. ( who I am trying to lie to)

Still Abbodon is at least good in CQC.

 Whiskered wrote:
I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

Draigo didn't beat Mortarion in a fight. Draigo was actually on the edge of death while Mortarion thrashed him, but Draigo then psychically ripped Morty's daemon name out of his mind and banished him.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:
I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

Draigo didn't beat Mortarion in a fight. Draigo was actually on the edge of death while Mortarion thrashed him, but Draigo then psychically ripped Morty's daemon name out of his mind and banished him.

So basically he Mary Sued him then?
I totally remember something about him carving the former Grey Knights chapter master's name into Mortarion's chest with a chainsword or something along those lines. Are you sure he that just magicked him away?

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The TT-fight is 66% in favor of Failabbaddon the Armless according to calculators.

You just have to love the thing about alone and unaided Draigo wiped the floor with a demigod of death and his bodyguard and then tortured him just because he got angry.

I read that as "...and then tortured him because he got hungry."

Then it made me think of snickers. I think theres a viable GW-snickers tie in right there.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:
I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

Draigo didn't beat Mortarion in a fight. Draigo was actually on the edge of death while Mortarion thrashed him, but Draigo then psychically ripped Morty's daemon name out of his mind and banished him.

So basically he Mary Sued him then?
I totally remember something about him carving the former Grey Knights chapter master's name into Mortarion's chest with a chainsword or something along those lines. Are you sure he that just magicked him away?

Speaking the True Name of any Daemon binds them to your will and sends them back to the warp if so wished. After uttering it, Morty vanished in an explosion of gore as his physical body was destroyed and his soul kicked into the Warp. Draigo then picked up his heart from the pile of organs and scribbled his master's name into the tissue.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:
I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

Draigo didn't beat Mortarion in a fight. Draigo was actually on the edge of death while Mortarion thrashed him, but Draigo then psychically ripped Morty's daemon name out of his mind and banished him.

So basically he Mary Sued him then?
I totally remember something about him carving the former Grey Knights chapter master's name into Mortarion's chest with a chainsword or something along those lines. Are you sure he that just magicked him away?

Speaking the True Name of any Daemon binds them to your will and sends them back to the warp if so wished. After uttering it, Morty vanished in an explosion of gore as his physical body was destroyed and his soul kicked into the Warp. Draigo then picked up his heart from the pile of organs and scribbled his master's name into the tissue.

Well, it's still pretty silly to just pick up a heart and scribble someone's name in it with magic marker.

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:
I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

Draigo didn't beat Mortarion in a fight. Draigo was actually on the edge of death while Mortarion thrashed him, but Draigo then psychically ripped Morty's daemon name out of his mind and banished him.

So basically he Mary Sued him then?
I totally remember something about him carving the former Grey Knights chapter master's name into Mortarion's chest with a chainsword or something along those lines. Are you sure he that just magicked him away?

Speaking the True Name of any Daemon binds them to your will and sends them back to the warp if so wished. After uttering it, Morty vanished in an explosion of gore as his physical body was destroyed and his soul kicked into the Warp. Draigo then picked up his heart from the pile of organs and scribbled his master's name into the tissue.

Well, it's still pretty silly to just pick up a heart and scribble someone's name in it with magic marker.

You're missing an important fact. The written form of a Grey Knight's name is itself a mark of warding. Draigo's successor had been bred for the purpose of defeating Mortarion and thus his name was keyed as a mark of warding against Mortarion specifically.

Oh I see. People just neglect to mention that Draigo barely won. I guess its impressive that he could rip his true name out of Mortarion's mind though.

TBH, I still don't get why Draigo put his former chapter master's name on the heart anyways. The obvious answer is honor him/ peeve off Mortarion, but I don't REALLY think that having your name on a Daemon's organ is all that honorable. In fact it would seem to me that it would DEFILE that person and their memory.


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jareddm wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:
I feel that Draigo could kill even primarchs by him self.
Didn't he actually ripped of Mortarion's heart?

And any one that I could compare to the Abbadon would be Eldrad.

Draigo didn't beat Mortarion in a fight. Draigo was actually on the edge of death while Mortarion thrashed him, but Draigo then psychically ripped Morty's daemon name out of his mind and banished him.

So basically he Mary Sued him then?
I totally remember something about him carving the former Grey Knights chapter master's name into Mortarion's chest with a chainsword or something along those lines. Are you sure he that just magicked him away?

Speaking the True Name of any Daemon binds them to your will and sends them back to the warp if so wished. After uttering it, Morty vanished in an explosion of gore as his physical body was destroyed and his soul kicked into the Warp. Draigo then picked up his heart from the pile of organs and scribbled his master's name into the tissue.

Well, it's still pretty silly to just pick up a heart and scribble someone's name in it with magic marker.

You're missing an important fact. The written form of a Grey Knight's name is itself a mark of warding. Draigo's successor had been bred for the purpose of defeating Mortarion and thus his name was keyed as a mark of warding against Mortarion specifically.

See, when you say "bred" my mind goes to dirty places.

Dont get me wrong. I love grey knights, which is why I play them, but Draigo is the biggest Mary sue that ever Mary sued. He is Ward's answer to the lack of Primarchs, and in all honesty under current rules could have a reasonable chance against any named character out there. But truth be told I hate him, and so do a lot of the Grey knights players I know. The main reason is because he is a Mary Sue, he didn’t really earn the respect the fluff affords him, and he isn’t the pinnacle of what a Grey Knight HQ character or Lord of War should be, mainly because while he should be awesome, he should be closer to what Mephsiton is/was. His Psyker powers should be the centerpiece rather than an afterthought IMO. My favorite character that the 5th ed codex had was Mordrak, Capt.PTSD. The fluff surrounding Draigo is awful too. He is lost in the Warp, but the chapter won’t nominate a new supreme grand master. I personally like the theory that the Silver Knight in the chaos codex is Draigo, but with the added layer that all of it is happening in his mind, and he is already broken and dying from being in the warp and Tzeench is just fething with him.

NauticalKendall wrote:
I'd like to see Abaddon tell Angron he's a scrub. It would be like a great white shark throttling a human into paste

And then throwing axes at the paste.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

NauticalKendall wrote:
I'd like to see Abaddon tell Angron he's a scrub. It would be like a great white shark throttling a human into paste

And then throwing axes at the paste.

All while screaming, cursing, and hurling insults like a call of duty player.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
Oh I see. People just neglect to mention that Draigo barely won. I guess its impressive that he could rip his true name out of Mortarion's mind though.

TBH, I still don't get why Draigo put his former chapter master's name on the heart anyways. The obvious answer is honor him/ peeve off Mortarion, but I don't REALLY think that having your name on a Daemon's organ is all that honorable. In fact it would seem to me that it would DEFILE that person and their memory.


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He didn't do that "fair" either. Draigo basically poked Mortarion in the eye, temporarily ripped his name out, then forgot it immediately after use because it's unknowable or something weird like that.

 Kain wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

NauticalKendall wrote:
I'd like to see Abaddon tell Angron he's a scrub. It would be like a great white shark throttling a human into paste

And then throwing axes at the paste.

All while screaming, cursing, and hurling insults like a call of duty player.

Well..... The Gods did make the surviving deamon primarchs swear loyalty to Abby....or something like that... I think..... Damn it, I need to brush up on my lore!

 Lord Blackscale wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

NauticalKendall wrote:
I'd like to see Abaddon tell Angron he's a scrub. It would be like a great white shark throttling a human into paste

And then throwing axes at the paste.

All while screaming, cursing, and hurling insults like a call of duty player.

Well..... The Gods did make the surviving deamon primarchs swear loyalty to Abby....or something like that... I think..... Damn it, I need to brush up on my lore!

All except Magnus, who wouldn't grant Abaddon an audience so he had to settle for Ahriman's followers for his Thousand Sons contingent.

Good ol' magnus, he's my man.

nareik wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

NauticalKendall wrote:
I'd like to see Abaddon tell Angron he's a scrub. It would be like a great white shark throttling a human into paste

And then throwing axes at the paste.

All while screaming, cursing, and hurling insults like a call of duty player.

Well..... The Gods did make the surviving deamon primarchs swear loyalty to Abby....or something like that... I think..... Damn it, I need to brush up on my lore!

All except Magnus, who wouldn't grant Abaddon an audience so he had to settle for Ahriman's followers for his Thousand Sons contingent.

Haha sounds like a good read, Where did you get that from?>?

aw_man wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
The TT-fight is 66% in favor of Failabbaddon the Armless according to calculators.

You just have to love the thing about alone and unaided Draigo wiped the floor with a demigod of death and his bodyguard and then tortured him just because he got angry.

I read that as "...and then tortured him because he got hungry."

Then it made me think of snickers. I think theres a viable GW-snickers tie in right there.

Wouldn't that be really revolting, snacking on a follower of Nurgle?

Apparently Matt Ward thinks anger solves a lot of stuff as the Ultramarines in the fifth edition solved many a battle just by getting angry.

 Khonsu wrote:

nareik wrote:

 Lord Blackscale wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

NauticalKendall wrote:
I'd like to see Abaddon tell Angron he's a scrub. It would be like a great white shark throttling a human into paste

And then throwing axes at the paste.

All while screaming, cursing, and hurling insults like a call of duty player.

Well..... The Gods did make the surviving deamon primarchs swear loyalty to Abby....or something like that... I think..... Damn it, I need to brush up on my lore!

All except Magnus, who wouldn't grant Abaddon an audience so he had to settle for Ahriman's followers for his Thousand Sons contingent.

Haha sounds like a good read, Where did you get that from?>?

I think it is mentioned in a few places. The BL supplement definitely mentions it. One of the narrative scenarios in the back of the book is fighting in a colossal arena against khornate daemons in order to win the favour of the Daemon Primarch Angron.