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I'm seeing too many lazy designs coming from GW these days. These two kits are good examples. Another good example are the gun 'hands' on the new Ad Mech Robots. The best example of lazy design are the 'hands' or lack of, on the AM Bullgryns - these are the epitome of lazy design IMO.

This is why I'm sticking to 30k, keeping SM as the gritty, super soldiers they should be rather than the bling covered toffs geedubs is making them..

 sierra 1247 wrote:
This is why I'm sticking to 30k, keeping SM as the gritty, super soldiers they should be rather than the bling covered toffs geedubs is making them..

Plenty of the 30k legions are just as pretty in the 30k art shown. Alpha marines have pretty hats, UM have more bling than a rap concert, Dark Angels still wear pretty skirts that match other accessories, and Emperor's Children are still Emperor's Children. The only gritty ones are the ones that are still gritty 10,000 years later.

 oni wrote:
I'm seeing too many lazy designs coming from GW these days. These two kits are good examples. Another good example are the gun 'hands' on the new Ad Mech Robots. The best example of lazy design are the 'hands' or lack of, on the AM Bullgryns - these are the epitome of lazy design IMO.

I'd say it's not lazy, but rather 'efficiency-oriented'. "Hey, we need two command tanks to sell at WHW. Could you have them ready by Friday? Cheers." - it's all a matter of design time allocated.

 warboss wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
This is why I'm sticking to 30k, keeping SM as the gritty, super soldiers they should be rather than the bling covered toffs geedubs is making them..

Plenty of the 30k legions are just as pretty in the 30k art shown. Alpha marines have pretty hats, UM have more bling than a rap concert, Dark Angels still wear pretty skirts that match other accessories, and Emperor's Children are still Emperor's Children. The only gritty ones are the ones that are still gritty 10,000 years later.

That's a good point, but then again I'm a World Eaters player

They should open a 1 man store in Antarctica and release an entire line of plastic Adepta Sororitas as Antarctic exclusives.

 warboss wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
This is why I'm sticking to 30k, keeping SM as the gritty, super soldiers they should be rather than the bling covered toffs geedubs is making them..

Plenty of the 30k legions are just as pretty in the 30k art shown. Alpha marines have pretty hats, UM have more bling than a rap concert, Dark Angels still wear pretty skirts that match other accessories, and Emperor's Children are still Emperor's Children. The only gritty ones are the ones that are still gritty 10,000 years later.

30K bling is a tailored suit and a tasteful watch. 40K bling is a 1998 Ford Fiesta with a ridiculous body-kit, a massive spoiler, neon running lights, a sound system that can pulp human bone with bass, spinners, and a gold paintjob with dayglo flame decals.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
This is why I'm sticking to 30k, keeping SM as the gritty, super soldiers they should be rather than the bling covered toffs geedubs is making them..

Plenty of the 30k legions are just as pretty in the 30k art shown. Alpha marines have pretty hats, UM have more bling than a rap concert, Dark Angels still wear pretty skirts that match other accessories, and Emperor's Children are still Emperor's Children. The only gritty ones are the ones that are still gritty 10,000 years later.

30K bling is a tailored suit and a tasteful watch. 40K bling is a 1998 Ford Fiesta with a ridiculous body-kit, a massive spoiler, neon running lights, a sound system that can pulp human bone with bass, spinners, and a gold paintjob with dayglo flame decals.

Nox [For those Blood Angels players]

I think "spinners" is exactly that.

The point remains though, it amazes me how what is essentially just an office in the same building working for the same company consistently gets things so much more right than another one.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
They should open a 1 man store in Antarctica and release an entire line of plastic Adepta Sororitas as Antarctic exclusives.

It'll never happen as that's far too close to Australia, and that would be showing them love.

 Theophony wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
They should open a 1 man store in Antarctica and release an entire line of plastic Adepta Sororitas as Antarctic exclusives.

It'll never happen as that's far too close to Australia, and that would be showing them love.

They should make a plastic Colonel Schaffer and Penal Legion box and make it Oz exclusive.

 kronk wrote:

No gak. One of the most popular things I see going at Adepticon and GenCon at the FW booth is the Horus Heresy t-shirts, mugs, and gak. Why the feth don't they put them on the website.

I want to give you money for that over-priced t-shirt. I want one to wear. Sell me the damn thing on your website.

Spoiler:

Oh, my lord. You have just channelled my inner self. There has been SO MUCH STUFF over the years that I wanted to give GW/FW money for, and they keep refusing. I want the over-priced shirt. I want to PAY YOU to advertise FOR YOU. Why won't you let me, GW?

One of my many projects is converting up a Rhino as a chapter relic. Anyone going to Warhammer World willing to grab one for me?

 Breotan wrote:
One of my many projects is converting up a Rhino as a chapter relic. Anyone going to Warhammer World willing to grab one for me?

I'd like to get in on this too: I'd be happy to reimburse through paypal for a LR Excelsior and Rhino Primaris.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 sierra 1247 wrote:
This is why I'm sticking to 30k, keeping SM as the gritty, super soldiers they should be rather than the bling covered toffs geedubs is making them..

Plenty of the 30k legions are just as pretty in the 30k art shown. Alpha marines have pretty hats, UM have more bling than a rap concert, Dark Angels still wear pretty skirts that match other accessories, and Emperor's Children are still Emperor's Children. The only gritty ones are the ones that are still gritty 10,000 years later.

30K bling is a tailored suit and a tasteful watch. 40K bling is a 1998 Ford Fiesta with a ridiculous body-kit, a massive spoiler, neon running lights, a sound system that can pulp human bone with bass, spinners, and a gold paintjob with dayglo flame decals.

Several of Forge World's Legions, thus far, have Blingminators, who, being Terminators, bear more bling than anyone else. Here are Blingminators from the one Legion most known for their opulence:


Here is FW's World Eater equivalent:

If GW made World Eater Terminators, even 30k ones (so no Khorne), they'd be made entirely out of skulls. On those skulls would be chains that end in more skulls which are attached to axes (Bloodblood Wrathrage Skullaxes of Worldeat). I am horrified to even contemplate how GW would handle the Primarchs.

I'd definitely be tempted to get the upgrade sprue if available to combine with the Sororitas sprue to make a cool Command Rhino for my Sisters Army.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Bloodblood Wrathrage Skullaxes of Worldeat

Classic!

I think the way the new tanks were painted definitely adds to the "pretty/bling" factor.

 uk_crow wrote:
I'm really not keen the direction GW are going with 40K SM, so gaudy and ridiculous. Maybe its just because I'm a grumpy Raven Guard fan!
I'm holding back getting back into the hobby till the new codex drops, but the aesthetics and the rules of 30K just seem to trump 40K every time.

But the models are finally starting to match the depicted portrayal of the Space Marine chapters (and IoM in general). Just look thru any edition of codex or rulebook, all the way back to 2nd edition when the look was solidified, and you'll see that SM artwork always showed them adorned in gobs of bling, and their commanders even more so.

I don't mind the blinged out look for veteran and command models such as these. I'd rather my opponent be able to tell the difference between the standard version and the command version without me reminding them every turn.

I imagine that a Damocles command Rhino is what it looks like coming out of the factory. Over the years and battles, parts are replaced and awards and modifications are added, so eventually it looks like a Rhino Primaris.

The Excelsior is less a designed command vehicle like the Prometheus, but more a normal Land Raider that say Sergeant Chronus requisitioned a while back, and over the years it has accumulated decorations to honor his victories, and a grav cannon to replace a destroyed HB turret.

Yeah, I can see that.

Wait wait wait the rino primaris can kill invisibility.
A unit within 12" can snapshot with full AB. Invisible DS are dead?

For those that haven't seen yet, rules (sans the points) have been leaked on 4chan.

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/39987500/land-raider-excelsior-and-rhino-primaris

Good God, a Targeting Data Skull on a combined Guard Squad would really be terrifying.

Those rules seem a bit strong. Points could bring them into line, but they have some pretty nasty tricks they can pull. Tricks appropriate for a command vehicle, but still. Wow.

Full BS overwatch is a bit over the top, even if it’s just for a turn. Techmarines need a 5+ to patch up a HP (although they can fix other things).

It might seem a bit over the top, but it's once per game for a single turn.
And on a Rhino chassis that can only carry 6 models.

I'm okay with it.

The LR can give skyfire to any friendly in 12"?
Yowzah, the possibilities.....

 Ratius wrote:
The LR can give skyfire to any friendly in 12"?
Yowzah, the possibilities.....

For an extra 10 points, it can be 18"!

Also: Land Raider is very specific that it has to be any model from the same faction(so Dark Angels can give it to Dark Angels, but not Blood Angels).

 Ratius wrote:
The LR can give skyfire to any friendly in 12"?
Yowzah, the possibilities.....

Just friendlies with the same faction (The Rhino can do any friendly though).

Ninjas abound

Great rules. However, it seems like you have to take both which could be a bit points intensive. But, I do like what I initially see.