New Adeptus Astartes - Page #46 Chaplain and Libby

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**pities2004**

So are the new devastators supposed to be mounted on the 32mm or the 25mm?

**angelofvengeance**

Mr Morden wrote:
Looky Likey wrote:
If GW did this properly the codex should contain all of the base units and each founding chapter, both chaos and loyalist, should then have a supplement with their unique units, wargear, relics, characters and formations. That way GW can sell twice as many books. Fat chance of it happening though, GW's track record does not suggest that they will follow this approach, they would rather piece meal out the launches over a number of months to spread out the sales.

Indeed

The recent "Special needs" faction codexes have been horribly short on fluff and actual rules apart from abominations such as the Sleigh and the Murder Dreadnought from Murder world with his murder fists - sigh..........

The recent retcon that aparently the Dark Angels are a super secret Legion was a bit poor - now if these Codexes actually gave some decent formations, characters and rules for say all successor Chapters of the First Founding Chapters itmight have been interesting but the desperation to generate "themed" units for these Chatpers is very annoying - especially since I have both Dark Angels and Space Wolves srmies - the only one I actually liked was the SW flyer.

on the subject of Eviserators - as A Siters player I have no problems with this - and I still wonder if it can be used to convert some of our models as we there are not any other power armoured hands holding an Eviserator that I cna think of - apart from the Flesh Tearers Chapter master?

DA were accused of legion building, but then look at the Black Templars. 5000 Battle Brothers in one Chapter!

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pities2004 wrote:
So are the new devastators supposed to be mounted on the 32mm or the 25mm?

32s

**Paradigm**

pities2004 wrote:
So are the new devastators supposed to be mounted on the 32mm or the 25mm?

There is no 'supposed to' any more; the official line is to use whatever bases you like regarding 25s vs 32s.

The new box only includes 32s but if you want to use 25s no one will stop you.

**angelofvengeance**

From an aesthetic and practical point of view, 32s accommodate Astartes much better than 25s IMO.

**Azreal13**

angelofvengeance wrote:
From an aesthetic and practical point of view, 32s accommodate Astartes much better than 25s IMO.

Agreed, I'm in the midst of doing some CSM, but have yet to build any infantry (havent been disciplined and keep doing the big shinies rather than the models I need to complete to be able to field the damn thing) so when I do, I'll pick up some 32mm.

If it weren't for the lack of a simple communucation along the lines of "look, 28mm bases are fine, but the 32mms are there if you prefer them" or something along those lines from GW to eliminate the uncertainty some people have around the whole thing (I don't play tourneys and I'm old and ugly enough not to give a gak if someone doesn't like my modelling choices so I'm not bothered either way, but acknowledge it is important for others) then I'd say this was a 100% good move from them.

**MasterSlowPoke**

It is crazy how much better 32mm bases look. I'm slowly in the process of upgrading all of my Necrons with base adaptors from Eccentric Minatures and they just look so much more substantial. Like putting a frame on a picture over just thumbtacks.

**angelofvengeance**

I am however, loathing the prospect of rebasing all 40 of my Necron Warriors... Thankfully I've not actually done anything with the bases apart from where paint has splorched on there so the good ol' Stanley will be getting some hammer.

**Timotheus**

New Librarian in Terminator Armour:

Price: ~ 24€

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Better pics of the upcoming Interrogator Chaplain:

**Sir Samuel Buca**

*sigh* Looks like I'm going to have to buy abother Librarian for my Ultramarines. 2 TDA clad Librarians is cool, right?

**Azreal13**

Other than the slightly better colour choices, I'm unconvinced the new TDAL is better than the last one.

Spoiler:

**prowla**

Well, the Chaplain looks pretty nice with the custom armour et al. Librarian is pretty generic, though.

I'm still not sure about the whole book-on-head thingie as a libby symbol, though. Who's supposed to read the book? "Hey you, come here and read this!" And isn't it a bit stupid to put a valuable book into the harms way? He even has a mini-book on the staff.. Probably "Tex Willer".

Where's all the new CSM? Come on!

**Azreal13**

Actually, make that infinitely better colour choices!

**Nevelon**

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
*sigh* Looks like I'm going to have to buy abother Librarian for my Ultramarines. 2 TDA clad Librarians is cool, right?

Librarians aren’t quite like captains, where you can never have too many, even if you never field them. But having a few extra psychers kicking around is probably a good thing. At least, that’s what the voices in my head tell me...

**Paradigm**

I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.

It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!

**Nevelon**

Paradigm wrote:
I like both of those a lot. Sadly, there's still no way the price will be right.

It's a shame that the DA battle force wasn't along the lines of the UM/BA ones, with a DWK squad in place of the dread. Tacticals, DWK and a (basically free) Int-Chap, I'd be all over that!

Part of me (the cynical part) wonders if the $30 mono-pose HQs were priced that way just to make the bundles they are included look like a better value. Because while some of them look quite nice, they are nowhere need the price GW is asking for them. I hope these guys get more reasonable pricing, but the road to disappointment and all that...

**ImAGeek**

Azreal13 wrote:
Other than the slightly better colour choices, I'm unconvinced the new TDAL is better than the last one.

Spoiler:

I think I much prefer that older one.

**Talys**

Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella

**Paradigm**

Talys wrote:
Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella

There's actually nothing DA-specific on the Librarian, you could fit him in any SM army really.

**Desubot**

While im glad its not codex specific finally.

I feel its a bit plain. though thats good or bad depending on your opinion.

I think its feeling off for me because the toga doesn't go up the torso.

**ImAGeek**

Talys wrote:
Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella

He's not a Dark Angels librarian as far as I know, just a generic SM one. He's painted as an Ultramarine.

Oops no he's not. Got confused by the Ultramarine type symbol on his scroll.

**Talys**

ImAGeek wrote:
I think I much prefer that older one.

The biggest difference will be that the new one will be HIPS and not require any remediation. I'm all for moving models from finecast and metal to plastic as they just become a lot easier to work with.

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ImAGeek wrote:
Talys wrote:
Wow. Those two models look fantastic. I love the new librarian; it's a pity I don't really collect Dark Angels anymore, but maybe I'll make an exception on this fella

He's not a Dark Angels librarian as far as I know, just a generic SM one. He's painted as an Ultramarine.

Oops no he's not. Got confused by the Ultramarine type symbol on his scroll.

The chaplain, I mean. He has a dark angels insignia on his shoulder. Yeah, the librarian looks generic

Similar to the Blood Angels model (which is similar to the Space Hulk Calistarius model) -- both of which are fantastic models.

**uk_crow**

It's probably me but the TDA pose looks like his storm bolter arm is way lower than the other arm even when you consider the pauldron position. Not bad overall, still think the old model is better.

The chaplain though looks great I think, not usually a fan of the DA aesthetics particularly the plate mail vibe of the armour on the chest and his gauntlet on the crozius arm.

**Paradigm**

ImAGeek wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
Other than the slightly better colour choices, I'm unconvinced the new TDAL is better than the last one.

Spoiler:

I think I much prefer that older one.

It's still up at the moment, better grab one before it vanishes it you want it, as I'm sure it'll go in the next week.

**ImAGeek**

Talys wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
I think I much prefer that older one.

The biggest difference will be that the new one will be HIPS and not require any remediation. I'm all for moving models from finecast and metal to plastic as they just become a lot easier to work with.

I don't really care what material they are, I just prefer the older sculpt.

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Paradigm wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:
Other than the slightly better colour choices, I'm unconvinced the new TDAL is better than the last one.

Spoiler:

I think I much prefer that older one.

It's still up at the moment, better grab one before it vanishes it you want it, as I'm sure it'll go in the next week.

Cheers. I probably won't, I don't have a 40k SM army and I don't know if it would fit in a 30k one, but thanks for the heads up.

**Grimtuff**

Azreal13 wrote:
Other than the slightly better colour choices, I'm unconvinced the new TDAL is better than the last one.

Spoiler:

On scrolling down I literally blurted out "How awful does that look? What's wrong with the previous one?".

**Azreal13**

If you're GW, it isn't made of plastic. If you're a fan of nice models, not a lot.

**Grimtuff**

Azreal13 wrote:
If you're GW, it isn't made of plastic. If you're a fan of nice models, not a lot.

Just looking at the face alone. It might very well be the paint job, but it's like night and day. It's like a massive regression in sculpt quality all in the name of having to have everything in plastic.

**Slayer-Fan123**

The Grav-Cannon Devastators make the Star Phantoms CT way better than normal. Just pointing that out now. Deep Strike all three and TL them for the turn.

**General Hobbs**

GW really dropped the ball when they didn't do a Librarian and Chaplain kit like the Commander one. I'm suprised that is still available.

**valace2**

So other than some vehicles moving to squadrons do we really now what differences there are to the rules?