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Got my mitts on the white dwarf

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Where does that picture come from? I mean, not BolS, I know that, but I mean, it has the rules for ASM in English, and then just below the rules for ASM in French (except with GW ultra-crappy translation policy that sucks ball and is laughably terribly bad and horrible and I despise it so much). It does not look like it comes from a codex, or even a white dward. It actually looks like the rules are included in the ASM box or something. That would be new.

I suspect it may be a Canadian version of WD where our French is a bit more "Franglais" and we use "Tu" a lot more than the "proper" France "Vous" and other interesting differences.
I guess I am saying I would give some benefit of the doubt on regional differences in language use.
My French is horrible but my kids are in full French school so they set me straight on occasion .
<edit>Ah! the rules they pack in the model box! Makes sense. My mistake.

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Same reason someone buys digital, or collects magic cards, or prefers hardback. Some people spend 3 or 4 times the price of the models to have them painted by other people. Some people have every single book that has come out since second edition on their wall. If I was one of them I would have no problem getting the limited edition, it looks like a joy to read and you get all those cool little things hat everyone wants but few will buy.

I don't want your random reasons. I want the specific reasons why a person makes this choice. I want the person who is actually buying this to tell me their reasons. I'm not interested in insulting them, I'm genuinely curious.

I got the Farsight Enclaves LE codex. It was only £60, though, so not as much as these newer ones.

The main reason I got it was because I'd played Tau since they came out, and sold off the army at the end of 5th with the plan of getting a pure Crisis suit army led by Farsight if it ever became a thing in the future. Well, it did become a thing, so I was pretty happy about that and decided to get something special for it, and went for the LE codex and a bunch of FW units in addition to a massive pile of Crisis suits.

Also, I'm in a financially comfortable position (dual income, no kids), so spending money on 40k isn't a big deal.

I have no regrets buying it, but I also have no intentions of getting any other LE codices. If a seriously awesome Harlequins release comes out in a couple of years, then maybe.

That's me. If they'd done a CSM one with Iron Warriors on the cover it would have been an instant sell for me. I haven't grabbed a limited edition of anything but wouldn't stop myself if it was a faction I've loved for over a decade. That said looking forward to the SM book just to see how I might adjust my marines (which are Iron Warriors I use as whatever SM or CSM I want).

This SM codex I figure I will buy the physical book since that is the main army I play.

All the 7th edition stuff I have gone completely electronic now.

My thinking is that it is good for reference to play or update my memory but none of it is worth keeping.

I think I have a hard copy of pretty much everything up to 5th edition and I pretty much gave up at 6th and arrived at the electronic compromise in order to play well and not get surprised by all these new army rules.

Due to the speed of releases and the pretty much guaranteed supplements the collection editions barely merit a glance: the collection value of these products have devalued past my threshold.

Funny with my SM force spanning some 5 editions my main value is painting and the odd new kit gets rolled into it's own squad... each squad I have are VERY unique, no special numbering or markings needed to know who belongs to what.

 Talys wrote:
Actually, Grarg, here you go:

Top row - Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard
Bottom Row - Iron Hands, Salamanders, Successor Chapters, White Scars



If I did a no-no snapping a pic of that spread, moderator please delete. Of all the things to show off though, I doubt a 2page spread on LE codex is something GW would mind much

Awesome thanks man. Yeah the previous picture had so much glare on it i couldn't tell, but your description is spot on. Thanks.

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.

Supplements anyone?

I'm okay with this.

Supplement/codexes like the skitarii or harlequin one would be fine. Put the majority of the units in c:sm and the divergent units in the supplemental volume.

As a BT player, I would also be perfectly OK with that.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
The rules are indeed in the box.

Thanks.

 Talizvar wrote:
I guess I am saying I would give some benefit of the doubt on regional differences in language use.

No. GW translation policy is just plain horribly bad, and has been for a few years no iirc. They translate some stuff and not others, leaving an horrible mess. Nothing new.

Assault marine rules got leaked over on Bolter.

 Las wrote:
Assault marine rules got leaked over on Bolter.

Check the previous page here.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Las wrote:
Assault marine rules got leaked over on Bolter.

Check the previous page here.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Unless these are tie over rules, supplied in the box so you can use eviscerators, until the new codex becomes available?

Why would they be tie over?

They'll be the rules in the codex, just like with the Knights.

 pretre wrote:
Why would they be tie over?

Wont these assault marines be available before the codex will be?

By a week or so right?

Until that new codex there would be no rules for the Eviscerator in a marine army.

Now its probably not and these just are the rules that will be in the codex, was just a thought.

 the_Armyman wrote:

(1) Now that it seems more and more likely GW will do a constant 1-2 year churn on codexes and rulebooks, people still think of purchasing "limited editon" books for triple the price? (2)What's the thought process behind that? (3) Do you expect it to become a collector's item? (4) Wouldn't you rather have an extra $100 worth of models?

A rulebook is a utilitarian item. Having a limited edition codex is sorta like having hand-painted toilet paper. When I buy a rulebook, I'm just concerned about the content. (5)When I buy toilet paper, I'm mainly concerned about not having my hands covered in feces.

I bought the Limited Edition Space Marines codex (Imperial Fists) last time around, as well as the LE Chaos Daemons (Tzeentch), and the LE FW HH Book 3 that came with the slip case and 2 LE smaller army list books. Let me answer a few questions.

(1) No. I won't buy this again. If it was a new rulebook every 4-5 years, sure. That would work out to $20 a year, by my reckoning. Once every 1-2 years? No thanks. That's just not enough return. feth off.

(2) For buying LE books in general? I only got and few of them and each was for an army I play. I thought they look nice and each was within my means. As for the mind-set of buying them eveyr 2 years? I can't help you. I'm not at that point.

(3) No. I never expected it to be a collector's item. I don't look at my hobby stuff as an investment. It's gak I buy for me to enjoy and use, period.

(4)



(5) Bad example. Generic TP costs 1/2 or less of what Cottonelle costs. However, I buy Cottonelle toilet paper because I don't like wiping my ass with sandpaper.


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Henshini wrote:
Why are plasma pistols still 15 points?

Who the hell knows. At 5 points, I'd give one to every sergeant. At 10 points, I'd be choosier but still take 1-2. At 15 points, they can feth right the hell off to the bits box.

Except for Brother Julius, because it looks bitchin:

 Talizvar wrote:
f releases and the pretty much guaranteed supplements the collection editions barely merit a glance: the collection value of these products have devalued past my threshold.

I'd say the same for the normal hardbacks in my case. At $50+ for a codex, I just don't play enough games in the 1-2 year codex life cycle to justify that kind of a purchase for the five full sized 100% painted armies I have (let alone the 2-3 smaller ally type forces). In 3rd edition, I used to buy every codex because I wanted to learn the rules and fluff of the various races as a new and excited player. I skipped 4th due to burnout of most of the group (we were playing 1-2 times a week for years in a row). In 5th, I bought every codex for armies I had as well as a few more that I found interesting or was considering starting at the time (two of which I later did start). In 6th/7th, I only bought books for armies that I already had due to the unwanted price increase/book format change and put the idea of starting new full sized armies on permanent hold. After having so much stuff already invalidated in <2 years or just about to be, I'm no longer buying the books at all and will find another way to play. It's a drop in the bucket for GW admittedly but they deserve the spit.

 warboss wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
f releases and the pretty much guaranteed supplements the collection editions barely merit a glance: the collection value of these products have devalued past my threshold.

I'd say the same for the normal hardbacks in my case. At $50+ for a codex, I just don't play enough games in the 1-2 year codex life cycle to justify that kind of a purchase for the five full sized 100% painted armies I have (let alone the 2-3 smaller ally type forces). In 3rd edition, I used to buy every codex because I wanted to learn the rules and fluff of the various races as a new and excited player. I skipped 4th due to burnout of most of the group (we were playing 1-2 times a week for years in a row). In 5th, I bought every codex for armies I had as well as a few more that I found interesting or was considering starting at the time (two of which I later did start). In 6th/7th, I only bought books for armies that I already had due to the unwanted price increase/book format change and put the idea of starting new full sized armies on permanent hold. After having so much stuff already invalidated in <2 years or just about to be, I'm no longer buying the books at all and will find another way to play. It's a drop in the bucket for GW admittedly but they deserve the spit.

Well, if you want a legit version that's also cheaper, the eBooks are $20 cheaper for each. I think the idea now is: if you want a cheap version for just the rules and don't care about having the nice hardcover, you go digital.

Yup, and my already purchased battlescribe/army builder for most of the stats you need during the game handy at the table.

 kronk wrote:
[Except for Brother Julius, because it looks bitchin:

Great to see other BT stuff out there, does that dude have an Afro?
I feel a sudden need to inject "Pulp Fiction" or "Shaft" into my 40k.
Oh, that is awesome.
We have the phrase "Go fasta red."
Now there is "Go more stylin black.".


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 warboss wrote:
Yup, and my already purchased battlescribe/army builder for most of the stats you need during the game handy at the table.

Yep, transfer relevant stats into Excel, copy-paste at will for army lists.
Usually I cannot wait for those things to update.
The electronic copy does allow some limited copy-paste from the book so that is an added bonus.

I think there are three groups of people who post:

- I like Games Workshop stuff and I can afford it, so I'll just buy it because it's my happy pill!

- I don't like Games Workshop, so I won't buy it, and I already play something else, or nothing at all, but I will come here to complain, because bitching is my happy pill!

- I say I don't like Games Workshop, but I secretly like and play their game even if say I hate it. What I really want is to play Warhammer without spending much money! Give me a box of free happy pills!

- I like Games Workshop stuff, but only buy what I like, at a discount.

 BrookM wrote:
- I like Games Workshop stuff, but only buy what I like, at a discount.

Yup, but that's me! It's still number 1. Orks are my happy pill!

I like GW, buy what I like and fund it all through buying and selling used stuff.

Vyxen wrote:
I think there are three groups of people who post:

- I like Games Workshop stuff and I can afford it, so I'll just buy it because it's my happy pill!

- I don't like Games Workshop, so I won't buy it, and I already play something else, or nothing at all, but I will come here to complain, because bitching is my happy pill!

- I say I don't like Games Workshop, but I secretly like and play their game even if say I hate it. What I really want is to play Warhammer without spending much money! Give me a box of free happy pills!

You forgot the fourth kind

-I don't express much of an opinion but instead prefer to pigeon hole fellow posters I don't agree with into snarky categories because that is my happy pill!


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 pretre wrote:
I like GW, buy what I like and fund it all through buying and selling used stuff.

That's what I've been doing for years as well. It wasn't a moral stance but rather a reaction to cleaning and organizing my hobby basement box collection for the first time in years after moving and realizing I had way too much stuff that I hadn't used (half of which since Clinton was president). The decision to try to only buy used GW models when possible later on was though.

2 days from pre-order. I really would like to have seen some leaks by now, I'm still considering starting some Raven Guard but dunno how they're going to shake out.

 kronk wrote:




Except for Brother Julius, because it looks bitchin:

Have all my exalts! fething made my day!

Hell, I may just buy this and use my spike marines as "counts as". I will wait and see when it has been put on Battlescribe.

Vyxen wrote:
I think there are three groups of people who post:

- I like Games Workshop stuff and I can afford it, so I'll just buy it because it's my happy pill!

- I don't like Games Workshop, so I won't buy it, and I already play something else, or nothing at all, but I will come here to complain, because bitching is my happy pill!

- I say I don't like Games Workshop, but I secretly like and play their game even if say I hate it. What I really want is to play Warhammer without spending much money! Give me a box of free happy pills!

And what if we quite openly say that we play the game but dislike GW/their business practices, is that OK with you, Oh Giver of Permissions, Oh Arbiter of Everyone's Opinions, He Who Is Called Giganticus Hypocriticus(because nothing says "moral high ground" like complaining about complaining)?

What about complaining about complaining about complaining?

 pretre wrote:
What about complaining about complaining about complaining?

Do we need to go deeper?

OT:

What I'm wondering is if the detachments will make assault marines not suck. I want to buy them but the rules are just so weak.