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Smart money is on 'no'. They'll still be Marines in Assault, and we have seen their equipment. Formations like that Javelin Strike Force are more likely to have to do with getting in Assault instead of the impact of the models doing the Assaulting. That's really how it's always been.

Gonna buy me the successor edition

Ah well, this is my fully painted army to play so this edition is getting bought.
I am just praying not too many painted models get shelved that were hit with the gimp stick.
How bad can it be for the original "angry marines" the BT?

-no 2 wound sergeant
-no fixing of overcosted veteran upgrade
-no fixing of overcosted melee weapons
-no price drop for overcosted marines
-nerf in the form of no more discounted transports
-no fixing of pistol prices

Yep, GW is still terrible at rules.
Why do we follow the official rules again? We should just kickstarter zagman up some printed books for his errata and switch.

 Yodhrin wrote:
And what if we quite openly say that we play the game but dislike GW/their business practices, is that OK with you, Oh Giver of Permissions, Oh Arbiter of Everyone's Opinions, He Who Is Called Giganticus Hypocriticus(because nothing says "moral high ground" like complaining about complaining)?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining! I actually find it pretty entertaining to watch. I wouldn't have it any other way!

I openly admit to enjoying watching pointless drama unfold and round and round arguments, and I also actually really like Warhammer. Dakka Dakka came up because I made the mistake of commenting that I watch Young and the Restless, and someone commented this board had more drama than Victor Newman. They were actually right! It's ok, feel free to flame me. I'm a big girl. Right, I am not a "he"!

What I should really say is, "Thank you!".

 djphranq wrote:
Gonna buy me the successor edition

Where are you going to order it, the GW web store? There is still a tiny chance I might get the LE. I'd just much rather get it from my FLGS, but the chances they'll get that at least a day later than the regular one is almost guaranteed (if not the following week...). :(

I certainly don't want to end up buying BOTH, LOL.

 Talys wrote:

 djphranq wrote:
Gonna buy me the successor edition

Where are you going to order it, the GW web store? There is still a tiny chance I might get the LE. I'd just much rather get it from my FLGS, but the chances they'll get that at least a day later than the regular one is almost guaranteed (if not the following week...). :(

I certainly don't want to end up buying BOTH, LOL.

From what I recall, the space marine LE books went very fast. Don't count on your FLGS getting one. Possible, and perhaps the 2-year turn around is turning people off to them, but the risk is yours.

Vyxen wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
And what if we quite openly say that we play the game but dislike GW/their business practices, is that OK with you, Oh Giver of Permissions, Oh Arbiter of Everyone's Opinions, He Who Is Called Giganticus Hypocriticus(because nothing says "moral high ground" like complaining about complaining)?

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining! I actually find it pretty entertaining to watch. I wouldn't have it any other way!
I openly admit to enjoying watching pointless drama unfold and round and round arguments, and I also actually really like Warhammer. Dakka Dakka came up because I made the mistake of commenting that I watch Young and the Restless, and someone commented this board had more drama than Victor Newman. They were actually right! It's ok, feel free to flame me. I'm a big girl. Right, I am not a "he"!
What I should really say is, "Thank you!".

At the very least despite all claims to the contrary: people care!
The real complaints is that the new codex is again a "missed opportunity".
The only real irritant about complaining is it being a means to an end: can you see how it could have been better? Any idea why they chose not to do that?

Many skills, stats and point costs of the SM's have remained pretty much the same for 3 or more editions (I am not going back and looking to be "accurate").
Each new codex is a chance to add a new feel to this army or as it has been pointed out: for an elite force they seem more like the baseline.
A legitimate beef would be for various models to be shelved due to not being useful enough for the points.
If GW really wants all their models to sell, some good rules to make everything useful enough to play would be logical.

At least the learning curve will be rather short as a positive note.

Vyxen, you have set yourself up for me to dub thee as "Drama Queen" but it is REALLY good to identify the ladies out there playing 40k: gives me hope to see some in my area.
Yodhrin I can only think of "Stick Yod-head-rin the sand" and you will hear a lot less hypocrisy.

 kronk wrote:
From what I recall, the space marine LE books went very fast. Don't count on your FLGS getting one. Possible, and perhaps the 2-year turn around is turning people off to them, but the risk is yours.

They have an allocation for them (ie a small number of guaranteed stock, if they want it). The problem for me is not the 2 year thing at all. It's that as soon as the book hits, I want to be able to pick it up, not a day or two later -- or after the weekend. Because if that happens, I'll end up buying the non-LE, and then I'm still committed to the LE, and I will feel kinda dumb

Plus, all my SM friends will buy the book the day it hits local stores, so it's not like I can buy it first and sell it to someone else. And, I have zero inclination to list it on eBay or Craigslist after. I guess my store would take it back if I asked them super nicely, but I don't want to put them through that.

 kronk wrote:
[From what I recall, the space marine LE books went very fast. Don't count on your FLGS getting one. Possible, and perhaps the 2-year turn around is turning people off to them, but the risk is yours.

Oh I loved how Dakka added meaning to the "LE" acronym: "Leech Essence", oh, that made my day.

 Talys wrote:

 djphranq wrote:
Gonna buy me the successor edition

Where are you going to order it, the GW web store? There is still a tiny chance I might get the LE. I'd just much rather get it from my FLGS, but the chances they'll get that at least a day later than the regular one is almost guaranteed (if not the following week...). :(

I certainly don't want to end up buying BOTH, LOL.

If I can I'm gonna do the preorder via my local GW here in Denver. Ive had a good experience with this shop compared to other GWs or even compared to some of the independent game shops around here.

 Talizvar wrote:
Vyxen, you have set yourself up for me to dub thee as "Drama Queen" but it is REALLY good to identify the ladies out there playing 40k: gives me hope to see some in my area.

I am very naughty that way Sorry! I'm a shameless gossip too, so if you tell me your secrets, I'll can make sure that everyone knows.

There are a few of us gals who play Warhammer here -- I met my boyfriend in a group of people who play Magic the Gathering, and he introduced me to Warhammer 40,000. I was surprised how much I enjoy it, even though I am pretty sure the only games I win are ones where people throw the game, or I roll super hot dice that day!

Vyxen wrote:
I met my boyfriend in a group of people who play Magic the Gathering, and he introduced me to Warhammer 40,000. I was surprised how much I enjoy it, even though I am pretty sure the only games I win are ones where people throw the game, or I roll super hot dice that day!

it is of interest: What army do you play?
Is it marines or are you just here for the ranting and raving?

Come on. Nobody is just here to rant and rave. And certainly not me .

 djphranq wrote:
If I can I'm gonna do the preorder via my local GW here in Denver. Ive had a good experience with this shop compared to other GWs or even compared to some of the independent game shops around here.

Neat, appreciate the tip

I'll think about it some. Maybe I'll go with it and get the Raven Guard one. I think Raven Guard would look pretty good with Blood Angels on a tabletop, and fit in quite nicely with the red/black/gold. Plus rumors of a Raven Guard / Tau box, right? Though there aren't any Raven Guard models, so I wonder what all that is about. Upgrade sprue, maybe?

Yay, another reason to paint 20 more tactical marines :X

 Talizvar wrote:

Vyxen wrote:
I met my boyfriend in a group of people who play Magic the Gathering, and he introduced me to Warhammer 40,000. I was surprised how much I enjoy it, even though I am pretty sure the only games I win are ones where people throw the game, or I roll super hot dice that day!

it is of interest: What army do you play?
Is it marines or are you just here for the ranting and raving?

Greenskins! I love my Orks. I am going to buy my boyfriend the Limited Edition Ultramarines codex as a present, though, which was the real reason I came to this thread. I couldn't help it. So many ranters and ravers about why anyone would want to pay for a limited edition book or assault marines or devastator marines.

Since someone asked the question, the reason I'm buying a Limited Edition codex is because someone ELSE would really like it, and it would make THEM happy. How's that for an answer!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Come on. Nobody is just here to rant and rave. And certainly not me .

I was referring to myself but if you are willing to point it out...
I will continue saying it is just a way of expressing "we care"... <hugs all around>... oh who am I kidding, I identify with Khorn and desperately need a chain-axe, now hold still...

 pretre wrote:
What about complaining about complaining about complaining?

Sounds like your next tracking thread! I'll definitely be on that list unlike rumors.

 Talizvar wrote:
I will continue saying it is just a way of expressing "we care"...

Yeah, I care. GW just likes making me bitter about it.

niv-mizzet wrote:
-no 2 wound sergeant
-no fixing of overcosted veteran upgrade
-no fixing of overcosted melee weapons
-no price drop for overcosted marines
-nerf in the form of no more discounted transports
-no fixing of pistol prices

Yep, GW is still terrible at rules.
Why do we follow the official rules again? We should just kickstarter zagman up some printed books for his errata and switch.

Have you gotten the codex early or are you extrapolating the entire book from the assault and dev entries?

I wonder whats going to happen to the FW Chapter Tactics. Probably just going to end up staying on the site with something like "discuss with your friends if they're still ok to use" or something like that.

Requizen wrote:
I wonder whats going to happen to the FW Chapter Tactics. Probably just going to end up staying on the site with something like "discuss with your friends if they're still ok to use" or something like that.

It could still fall under the habitual "Oh it is Forgeworld, it does not count."
The will get around to some kind of update, they are a fair bit better than the classic GW FAQ.

 Talys wrote:

 djphranq wrote:
If I can I'm gonna do the preorder via my local GW here in Denver. Ive had a good experience with this shop compared to other GWs or even compared to some of the independent game shops around here.

Neat, appreciate the tip

I'll think about it some. Maybe I'll go with it and get the Raven Guard one. I think Raven Guard would look pretty good with Blood Angels on a tabletop, and fit in quite nicely with the red/black/gold. Plus rumors of a Raven Guard / Tau box, right? Though there aren't any Raven Guard models, so I wonder what all that is about. Upgrade sprue, maybe?

Yay, another reason to paint 20 more tactical marines :X

I was wondering that too. I really like the raven guard markings/insignia and would love to get models or an upgrade sprue that had them.

Forge World do really nice Raven Guard upgrades. Now if only they'd get round to doing some Blood Angel stuff...

Vyxen wrote:
Since someone asked the question, the reason I'm buying a Limited Edition codex is because someone ELSE would really like it, and it would make THEM happy. How's that for an answer!

You know, this is actually the best reason to buy a Limited Edition book that I've seen so far Nice present... Lucky guy!

 Talys wrote:

Vyxen wrote:
Since someone asked the question, the reason I'm buying a Limited Edition codex is because someone ELSE would really like it, and it would make THEM happy. How's that for an answer!

You know, this is actually the best reason to buy a Limited Edition book that I've seen so far Nice present... Lucky guy!

They do make nice gifts and keepsakes. I think that's probably where a large number of them go, particularly these days with the obscene release frequency.

 warboss wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
-no 2 wound sergeant
-no fixing of overcosted veteran upgrade
-no fixing of overcosted melee weapons
-no price drop for overcosted marines
-nerf in the form of no more discounted transports
-no fixing of pistol prices

Yep, GW is still terrible at rules.
Why do we follow the official rules again? We should just kickstarter zagman up some printed books for his errata and switch.

Have you gotten the codex early or are you extrapolating the entire book from the assault and dev entries?

That's extrapolation from the box rules.

 Bull0 wrote:
Forge World do really nice Raven Guard upgrades. Now if only they'd get round to doing some Blood Angel stuff...

You're right -- the Mk 3 shoulder pads are great, and the Mk 4 helms are really nice too.

 Talizvar wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I wonder whats going to happen to the FW Chapter Tactics. Probably just going to end up staying on the site with something like "discuss with your friends if they're still ok to use" or something like that.

It could still fall under the habitual "Oh it is Forgeworld, it does not count."
The will get around to some kind of update, they are a fair bit better than the classic GW FAQ.

They updated their marine chapters to include chapter tactics after the 6th edition codex introduced them so I don't see why they wouldn't update them again. It likely will take them a few months as it doesn't generally make them money direct to create a free update PDF but they haven't really to my knowledge given folks a reason to think otherwise. Granted at the time they came out with the prior update, they weren't so coo coo for horus heresey coco puffs but we're still talking about the cash cow astartes here.

 Bull0 wrote:
Forge World do really nice Raven Guard upgrades. Now if only they'd get round to doing some Blood Angel stuff...

Agreed, on both parts! The wait for FW Blood Angels models is driving me mad!