New Adeptus Astartes - Page #46 Chaplain and Libby

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**casvalremdeikun**

Nevelon wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rereading what the White Dwarf has to say about the Gladius Strike Force, it definitely says you field a Demi-Company (Captain or Chaplain, 1 Command, 3 Tactical, 1 Assault, 1 Devastator, 1 Dreadnought) and then bolt on additional formations from there, such as Terminators, some Vindicators, or a Thunderfire Cannon. I am okay with this, though now I need to get one of those new Assault Squads and another Tactical Squad if I want to field it. Will probably just stick with a CAD unless something awesome comes with using a GSF.

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Oh, and of course the cover is an Ultramarine, what else would it be? Definitely not something to lose sleep over.

That’s a chunk of points for a base detachment. Probably to the tune of 1,250 to field it as anything other then just a minimum tax. Under current points, that is; although they seem unlikely to change significantly if the AM are to be a gauge. Although if they go with the toys for free bonus like the BA vet formation, that frees up a lot. It should make for a well balanced TAC list, just not a lot of space left for extras in a 1,500 point list.

I would assume lots of that is optional. Probably the Command Squad and Dreadnaught at the very least.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made Assault and Dev squads mandatory. Gotta move them boxes

Using the “moving boxes” philosophy, I’d expect the dreads to be mandatory. Would be fluffy as well, as every company has 2-4 of them. I’m hoping the command squad is optional. After all, there is only one in the company, and it might be over with the other half.

I makes more sense to force a dread on all marine formations then it does to have the viper tax on all the eldar hosts (where it only makes sense for the windriders). But as you say, Gotta move them boxes.

It definitely would make sense for the Command Squad to be optional. Even in the BA Demi-Company it is (the Captain must take one, but the Chaplain must take a Furioso Dreadnought), and the Demi-Companies are pretty well the same. I agree that the Dreadnought will likely be mandatory. They are a fixture of every company, so it would only make sense.

One thing though, the fluff is that, generally, only half of a company is ever mobilised at one time so the probability of an entire company being wiped out is low. The other half is back at the Chapter HQ not galavanting somewhere else. Only in dire circumstances is a full battle company fielded at once.

It is quite possible that if the Captain sends a Chaplain in his stead that he would send his Command Squad to accompany him. So it could go either way in that respect.

**Hulksmash**

I'm going to assume we see demi-companies similar to the Eldar with different "core" detachments. I'd expect a bike, assault marine, and standard ones.

**casvalremdeikun**

Hulksmash wrote:
I'm going to assume we see demi-companies similar to the Eldar with different "core" detachments. I'd expect a bike, assault marine, and standard ones.

Indeed. The Lance Strike Force probably replaces the Tactical Squads with Bikes and the Assault Squad and Devastator Squad with Land Speeders or Attack Bikes.

**Talys**

pinkmarine wrote:
Looking at the cut edges it seems like about 50:50 between rules and pics. That was about all info I could get.

And according to the FLGS guy there will be new battle boxes for Ultras and Dark Angels and possibly another chapter.

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Size about the same as the old one, possibly slightly thicker.

Eh... they are battle boxes for Space Marines (nonchapter specific, box is ultramarines), Dark Angels, and Blood Angels. I listed out the contents and price breakdown further up a few pages

Not really a good deal, and you get stuck with meh stuff you probably won't field (furiosos, dreadnoughts, attack bike), and 2 boxes have a captain that is less exciting now that there's an upgrade sprue.

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Crazyterran wrote:
Bharring wrote:
(Also, BA are Codex compliant too, but don't have a UM on the front)

They pretend to be codex compliant, while secretly having an ever growing company of lunatics and berserkers.

And how awesome is that!!!

**Requizen**

Talys wrote:
pinkmarine wrote:
Looking at the cut edges it seems like about 50:50 between rules and pics. That was about all info I could get.

And according to the FLGS guy there will be new battle boxes for Ultras and Dark Angels and possibly another chapter.

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Size about the same as the old one, possibly slightly thicker.

Eh... they are battle boxes for Space Marines (nonchapter specific, box is ultramarines), Dark Angels, and Blood Angels. I listed out the contents and price breakdown further up a few pages

Not really a good deal, and you get stuck with meh stuff you probably won't field (furiosos, dreadnoughts, attack bike), and 2 boxes have a captain that is less exciting now that there's an upgrade sprue.

*probably wouldn't run if it wasn't required for Core Formations.

7th ed, baby.

**Talys**

Lammikkovalas wrote:
Oh, there's a Smurf in the cover of the new codex. What a surprise!

For merely $165, you can have another chapter on the cover!

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Requizen wrote:
*probably wouldn't run if it wasn't required for Core Formations.

7th ed, baby.

Well, there's a Blood Angels battleforce. Assuming you're using Codex: Blood Angels (rather than C:SM) you certainly don't need a captain, a furioso (or variant out of that box) and a tactical squad. I mean, the box is fine if you're a new player, I guess, and you want a furioso and a tactical, because you get the captain for cheap. Same with the SM box.

For the DA box, I can't imagine you need to have a command bike squad, land speeder and attack bike...

Edit: I doubt in a Decurion formation, you'll be FORCED to take a Dreadnought. Though that's possible, of course, and they might highly incentivize one. Or, god forbid, they might make Dreadnoughts good. Imagine if there was a run on Dreadnoughts at the FLGS hahahaha

There is also a Strike Force Ultra that is all terminators and their transports. Wonder what buff THEY will get to be playable! The only thing funnier than a run on Dreadnoughts would be a run on Tactical Terminators. By the way, I didn't see this here, so posting the image --

**Nevelon**

Some leaks are starting to filter out. No idea how reliable the original source is.

From Warseer:

"I apologise if I'm uploading info that has already been posted.
FLGS nearby started showing SM codex for preview.
I simply skimmed through the codex so there will be many gaps and slightly inaccurate parts.
Points costs will not be posted.

Chapter Tactics still remain, although every one of them has been 'buffed'.
White Scars for example all get hit & run whether the model has bulky rule or not.
Combat Doctrines only gives to-hit rolls.

Devastators do not have Slow and Purposeful.
They do get a wargear allowing the squad to re-roll failed to hits for a single shooting phase.
Tactical squad can carry grav cannon & amp, although it's almost twice as expensive as lascannon.

Vanguards get bonus to charge distance, while Ironclad & Venerable dreadnoughts get 4 attacks minimum.
Assault centurions' siege drill now strikes at S10
Legion of the Damned is still in the codex, and it's DS ability has been slightly buffed.

Most vehicles, if taken in squadron of three, gain significant buff.
Multiple Stalkers(now with interceptor) can ignore cover, where as three vindicators can instead fire a single shot with apocalyptic blast which ignores cover.

That's all I can recall with any degree of clarity.

**ashikenshin**

Kinda sad that Devastators do no have Slow and Purposeful, I was already picturing a moving devastator squad with heavy bolters hehe.

**Requizen**

Hmm, I wonder what LotD DS buff means. No scatter would be nice, as would Turn 1 DS.

I always liked LotD as an idea, would be really cool to make them worthwhile.

**Nevelon**

ashikenshin wrote:
Kinda sad that Devastators do no have Slow and Purposeful, I was already picturing a moving devastator squad with heavy bolters hehe.

Who knows what sort of doctrines/tactics/formation bonuses will work on them though. Right now UM dev tactics can give them relentless for a turn. You might be able to advance and fire at the same time.

**pretre**

Apocalyptic Vindicator Shot? Daaamn.

**Desubot**

"where as three vindicators can instead fire a single shot with apocalyptic blast which ignores cover. "

**Mulletdude**

And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

**casvalremdeikun**

If the Stalker rumor is true, and they get Interceptor and Ignore Cover in groups of 3, I guess I know what my next big expenditure is after Codex and Devs.

**pretre**

Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

**BrokenRecord**

Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

I'm with you there. My group is predominantly Tau, Space Wolves, Necron, and Khorne Daemonkin (we have a lot of new players who went with them), and I certainly feel like the odd man out in terms of army strength. Now, if only we could get a Dark Eldar player for me to beat up on!

**pinkmarine**

Talys wrote:

Eh... they are battle boxes for Space Marines (nonchapter specific, box is ultramarines), Dark Angels, and Blood Angels. I listed out the contents and price breakdown further up a few pages

Sry, didn't see that post

**hotsauceman1**

Anything of Cad like detachments? or only Combi-detachments?

**casvalremdeikun**

Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Image too large to post, but I know that feel, bro.

But, it looks like my Crimson Fists will likely be on the receiving end of a buff, so I got that going for me. More reason to finish painting them (and Ignore my BA :(). Looks like more Rhino-pattern tanks for me!

**Requizen**

If the Raven Guard tactics turn out good for Assault Marines, I guess they could make a version of the Vampires.

**Las**

I'm glad devs didn't get SaP. That's just too easy and lacks all depth. Some kind of once per game power would be just right.

**kronk**

pretre wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

What he said. Play them as Codex: Adeptus Astartes.

**casvalremdeikun**

kronk wrote:
pretre wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

What he said. Play them as Codex: Adeptus Astartes.

Which would be great if not for Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priests, Furioso Dreadnoughts, and etc. I like BA because of their toys. I just wish they had their toys and rules at the level of what C:SM is shaping up to have.

**AlmightyWalrus**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
kronk wrote:
pretre wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

What he said. Play them as Codex: Adeptus Astartes.
Which would be great if not for Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priests, Furioso Dreadnoughts, and etc. I like BA because of their toys. I just wish they had their toys and rules at the level of what C:SM is shaping up to have.

As a Black Templars player, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

**casvalremdeikun**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
kronk wrote:
pretre wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

What he said. Play them as Codex: Adeptus Astartes.
Which would be great if not for Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priests, Furioso Dreadnoughts, and etc. I like BA because of their toys. I just wish they had their toys and rules at the level of what C:SM is shaping up to have.

As a Black Templars player, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

It should not require combining Codices to get halfway decent rules. Then again, it is possible these formations and their special rules will be usable by BA anyway. Will have to wait and see. The Vindicator squadron formation looks delicious.

**djphranq**

Can't wait for tomorrow (in the US anyways).

**JuniorRS13**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
kronk wrote:
pretre wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

What he said. Play them as Codex: Adeptus Astartes.
Which would be great if not for Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priests, Furioso Dreadnoughts, and etc. I like BA because of their toys. I just wish they had their toys and rules at the level of what C:SM is shaping up to have.

As a Black Templars player, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
It should not require combining Codices to get halfway decent rules. Then again, it is possible these formations and their special rules will be usable by BA anyway. Will have to wait and see. The Vindicator squadron formation looks delicious.

You can take the auxiliary formations and not the gladius core formation while keeping your Baal Strike Force one. Throw in that vindicator one or whatever formation they make. I see dark eldar armies with the eldar flier formation for AA.

**casvalremdeikun**

JuniorRS13 wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
kronk wrote:
pretre wrote:
Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

Just play BA using C:SM and call it a codex compliant company.

What he said. Play them as Codex: Adeptus Astartes.
Which would be great if not for Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priests, Furioso Dreadnoughts, and etc. I like BA because of their toys. I just wish they had their toys and rules at the level of what C:SM is shaping up to have.

As a Black Templars player, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
It should not require combining Codices to get halfway decent rules. Then again, it is possible these formations and their special rules will be usable by BA anyway. Will have to wait and see. The Vindicator squadron formation looks delicious.

You can take the auxiliary formations and not the gladius core formation while keeping your Baal Strike Force one. Throw in that vindicator one or whatever formation they make. I see dark eldar armies with the eldar flier formation for AA.

That assumes they are able to be taken that way, but I am hoping for the best.

**plastictrees**

That's how all formations/detachments work.
Half the things people complain about about 'restrictive' formations are based on not knowing how the rules work.

**Talys**

Mulletdude wrote:
And now my Blood Angels are officially the Dark Angels of 7th =\.

What's an appropriate successor chapter if my marines are painted like blood angels? xD

A few for starters...
- Angels of Blood, Blood of Angels, Bloody Angels!
- Crimson Angels, Crimson Flight, Crimson Death, Crimson Razors, Crimson Vengeance
- Angels of Death, Angels of Vengence, Ruby Seraphim
- Those Red Dudes!

But there are still some neat tricks in the Blood Angels proper, like 6FA formation with drop pods, death company & sanguinary guard, a troop choice character dreadnought, 85 point ASM with drop pod allowing 2 specials + 1 combi, and Dante. For big enough games, Angel's Fury is cool!

The only real problem with BA is that they have no "best unit ever" favorite unit/combo, like grav bikes or grav centurions, and Dante is great, but he's no Draigo. In other words, compared with the BEST stuff, they aren't quite there.