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rollawaythestone wrote:


Names of the Chapter Tactics for each Chapter?

Lost Librarius for Black Templar? Is that just saying they don't have Librarians?

So, are these all identical to what they currently are called?

The only new names are for the Ultramarines and the Black Templars.

Of course, same names does not necessarily mean same rules as before.

I was hugely underwhelmed by the content of the last SM codex and I hugely resent the blatant cash-grabbing of a 'new' (yeah right, new content will be negligible) codex significantly less than 2 years after the last one.

Keep it up GW, more and more of my hobby budget go towards Malifaux and random Reaper figures or is being diverted to other things.

The only thing I'll be getting from this release is some assault marine legs from a bits site.

This new digital art sucks ass. So low quality.....

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but:
1. Whirlwind is now out of stock on the UK site.
2. The Demi Company seems a bit off to me. The picture shows 3x Tactical Squads, a full 10 man Assault Marine Squad, and one 5 man Devastator squad, plus Dreadnought, Captain and retinue. However, the text says that there are only two Tactical Squads, and the model count supports this too? Have GW forgotten/retconned what a Demi-Company is?

 Slinky wrote:

 Las wrote:
So, this could've been an errata and formation data slate?

Quite - I am not clear why a new codex is justified, unless solely to change the name to "Adeptus Astartes".

That had more to do with it than people realize.

I know we haven't seen the rules year but isn't this just some extra detachments? Hop the Templars get some better chapter tactics cool Lysander has an extra wound

I hope Pedro Kantor gets a boost like Lysander did. At least give the poor man a 2+ save!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but:
1. Whirlwind is now out of stock on the UK site.
2. The Demi Company seems a bit off to me. The picture shows 3x Tactical Squads, a full 10 man Assault Marine Squad, and one 5 man Devastator squad, plus Dreadnought, Captain and retinue. However, the text says that there are only two Tactical Squads, and the model count supports this too? Have GW forgotten/retconned what a Demi-Company is?

This bundle contains everything needed to field the Battle Demi-Company from Codex: Space Marines, featuring a Space Marine Battleforce, a Space Marine Command Squad, two Tactical Squads, two Assault Squads and a Devastator Squad. Forty-two miniatures, one dominant formation.

Read the contents of the Space Marine Battleforce.
It's a Tactical Squad, Captain, and Dreadnought.

The Command Squad, Devastator Squad and the two Tactical/Assault Squads are separate boxes.

 Las wrote:

That is too general a statement, and pretty false. The last 3 years of codeces were all thick with new stuff an many of them were in desperate need of an update (something that this board couldn't shut up about when I first joined it). Compare the quality of the Eldar release to what we're seeing here so far. That book had huge overhauls which did a lot to justify it being released in a new edition.

Not to mention that this release pace is no where near GW's MO if you look at them as a whole.

Indeed. Also, all we have are teases, not the actual codex. How can someone say that the codex is just a rehash, when it's not even out yet? O.o

Everyone said the same thing about Codex Eldar Craftworlds, until it came out. And then, suddenly, it was, OMG.

Not a single transport in these bundles and Battleforces. Remember when a Battleforce used to include a rhino or a drop pod? Those were the days...

Sad thing is that I would have jumped on this battleforce when so started the game a year ago.

I think I am just going to get one of the Dev boxes so far, it will give me enough to finish my HB, LC, and ML Dev Squads. Just need to get a couple Signums. If I get another Tactical Squad I will have a complete Demi-Company.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Not a single transport in these bundles and Battleforces. Remember when a Battleforce used to include a rhino or a drop pod? Those were the days...

Sad thing is that I would have jumped on this battleforce when so started the game a year ago.

I think I am just going to get one of the Dev boxes so far, it will give me enough to finish my HB, LC, and ML Dev Squads. Just need to get a couple Signums. If I get another Tactical Squad I will have a complete Demi-Company.

Yeah, I think a transport is warranted. My favorite battleforce is Necron. In my mind it's perfect: 20 warriors, 5 immortals, a Ghost Ark, and some scarabs. How much better can it get?

We should remember someone who allegedly saw the new codex says Dreadnoughts get 4+ attacks now. Maybe they are majorly buffed and will become the new Centurions.

Edit -- still, it would be really nice to see a DT in there., even a Rhino. I would rather have a basic vehicle than a captain model! Plus, it encourages you to buy multiple battleforce boxes (what would you do with 3 captains).

Probable that GW feel they have saturated the transport market though and have put production runs elsewhere now.
Realsitically what SM player dosent have a decent/large selection of transports after this many editions.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but:
1. Whirlwind is now out of stock on the UK site.
2. The Demi Company seems a bit off to me. The picture shows 3x Tactical Squads, a full 10 man Assault Marine Squad, and one 5 man Devastator squad, plus Dreadnought, Captain and retinue. However, the text says that there are only two Tactical Squads, and the model count supports this too? Have GW forgotten/retconned what a Demi-Company is?

This bundle contains everything needed to field the Battle Demi-Company from Codex: Space Marines, featuring a Space Marine Battleforce, a Space Marine Command Squad, two Tactical Squads, two Assault Squads and a Devastator Squad. Forty-two miniatures, one dominant formation.

Read the contents of the Space Marine Battleforce.
It's a Tactical Squad, Captain, and Dreadnought.

The Command Squad, Devastator Squad and the two Tactical/Assault Squads are separate boxes.

Ah, that serves me right for not checking the entry right! Thanks, I'm a little more at ease now.

 Ratius wrote:
Probable that GW feel they have saturated the transport market though and have put production runs elsewhere now.
Realsitically what SM player dosent have a decent/large selection of transports after this many editions.

Who is buying a Tactical Squad without a transport of some sort? Footslogging Tacticals are just an easy way to give your opponent a free victory point or two. The only issue I could see is that people tend to run drop pods or rhinos, not both. If they included one type of transport, they would be losing out on the other half. So I guess it makes sense to not include either. Rhinos are cheap online anyway.

If GW was smart, they would have deals on their store like buy a Tactical Squad, get a Rhino or Drop Pod for $5 off. Basically, something like 15% off a Dedicated Transport when you buy a Troops. Could be applied to any army.

Lysander had 4 wounds in current dex, nothing has changed from the pic couple pages back to his stats in current book.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Probable that GW feel they have saturated the transport market though and have put production runs elsewhere now.
Realsitically what SM player dosent have a decent/large selection of transports after this many editions.

Who is buying a Tactical Squad without a transport of some sort? Footslogging Tacticals are just an easy way to give your opponent a free victory point or two. The only issue I could see is that people tend to run drop pods or rhinos, not both. If they included one type of transport, they would be losing out on the other half. So I guess it makes sense to not include either. Rhinos are cheap online anyway.

If GW was smart, they would have deals on their store like buy a Tactical Squad, get a Rhino or Drop Pod for $5 off. Basically, something like 15% off a Dedicated Transport when you buy a Troops. Could be applied to any army.

You mean like:
This or this?

Putting it politely, doing something where there is a "choice" with a discount applied at the till is not something which will work out as well as you think. I would not be surprised to see a Rhino and Tactical Squad bundle in the next few months though. They've done a few here and there but not as many as I would have liked to see. I think it has to do with the number of transports available to each squad for a "Dedicated Transport" option.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Probable that GW feel they have saturated the transport market though and have put production runs elsewhere now.
Realsitically what SM player dosent have a decent/large selection of transports after this many editions.

Who is buying a Tactical Squad without a transport of some sort? Footslogging Tacticals are just an easy way to give your opponent a free victory point or two. The only issue I could see is that people tend to run drop pods or rhinos, not both. If they included one type of transport, they would be losing out on the other half. So I guess it makes sense to not include either. Rhinos are cheap online anyway.

If GW was smart, they would have deals on their store like buy a Tactical Squad, get a Rhino or Drop Pod for $5 off. Basically, something like 15% off a Dedicated Transport when you buy a Troops. Could be applied to any army.

You just answered why GW probably won't do such a thing and why it's completely unnecessary from their PoV:
"Who is buying a Tactical Squad without a transport of some sort?"

Exactly! There is no need for an incentive, why would they throw away $5?

Bullveye wrote:
Lysander had 4 wounds in current dex, nothing has changed from the pic couple pages back to his stats in current book.

True for his stats. His Warlord Trait has changed from Champion of Humanity to Iron Resolve. Some players will like that.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Probable that GW feel they have saturated the transport market though and have put production runs elsewhere now.
Realsitically what SM player dosent have a decent/large selection of transports after this many editions.

Who is buying a Tactical Squad without a transport of some sort? Footslogging Tacticals are just an easy way to give your opponent a free victory point or two. The only issue I could see is that people tend to run drop pods or rhinos, not both. If they included one type of transport, they would be losing out on the other half. So I guess it makes sense to not include either. Rhinos are cheap online anyway.

If GW was smart, they would have deals on their store like buy a Tactical Squad, get a Rhino or Drop Pod for $5 off. Basically, something like 15% off a Dedicated Transport when you buy a Troops. Could be applied to any army.

Not quite. A lot of people want a specific transport. But the smart one to pack in, I guess would be razorback, since the production cost is basically the same as rhino, it would cover 2 vehicles, and they could sell the set for the price of tactical + rhino.

On the other hand, pod spam is a more popular tactic, so tactical + pod or assault + pod -- in the same way they had the kabalites or wyches with a raider last year -- would be the way to sell it, IMHO.

But for me, a battle box was always about GREAT value. So a good deal, to me, would be: Tactical Squad, Assault Squad, Drop Pod, Dreadnought (if they're playable now) -- and you get the dreadnought for free.

 JB wrote:

Bullveye wrote:
Lysander had 4 wounds in current dex, nothing has changed from the pic couple pages back to his stats in current book.

True for his stats. His Warlord Trait has changed from Champion of Humanity to Iron Resolve. Some players will like that.

Depending on what it does NOW though!

@Talys, Kaluwen, and nekooni I get why they won't do it, but it would be cool, nonetheless. It isn't like there isn't a precedent either. I would be all over a buy a Tactical Squad, get a Razorback for the price of a Rhino. I only ever get Razorback kits anyway.

All I have to say is when I saw the price of the special editions, I literally laughed out loud....

SO...

No double special weapons for tacticals.
No CCW (even as a pay-for option).
No meaningful cost reductions.
No improvement to the Assault Squads, your window to the Land of Bland.

Just some formation rules that would seem cheesey in a vacuum but pale next to the recent fondue-a-go-go that are various xeno codices.
Oh, and the devastators with grav, whoopdie doo.

Just LOL@u if you still play SM. In fact, LOL@u if you still play, period.

Nice new models though.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
SO...

No double special weapons for tacticals.
No CCW (even as a pay-for option).
No meaningful cost reductions.
No improvement to the Assault Squads, your window to the Land of Bland.

Just some formation rules that would seem cheesey in a vacuum but pale next to the recent fondue-a-go-go that are various xeno codices.
Oh, and the devastators with grav, whoopdie doo.

Just LOL@u if you still play SM. In fact, LOL@u if you still play, period.

Nice new models though.

So you've seen the stuff? Would you mind posting it?

Worst art ever? The feth is this gak?

There is art like that in the Eldar codex.

Par for the course actually. These ugly friggin excuses to add in more pages have been popping up in the Eldar book too. And I think Mechanicus. Remember the days when they used to paint models to show what painted models look like? Good times.

And from your list what would you have actually expected? We have zero idea of any specific rules and other thanked to arguable the most important aspect which is the chapter tactics and combat doctrines. depending on price grav devs add a lot, we will have to see how prices work out and what the formations do. It would be interesting to see the actual base size instead of the speculated size.

Also you do know those pictures aren't there as art, they are there to help people figure out how to paint the color scheme and so they need to be very basic with obvious colors, no highlights etc.

I honestly don't understand this art transition to pages of cartoony looking characters. I know they've been recently doing this, but my niece in junior high does work that looks suspiciously similar. She draws little models with dresses on....but I'm thinking of asking GW if they could put her to work.

I feel space marines could really enhance her portfolio.

I mean. You know. It's not like they'd be publishing any work of hers that would be any worse than what they're clearly putting into their books now.... Are there labor laws in britain for children? Hrmmmmm. >.>

Hey I just had a great idea. Why not use this sort of art for a new line of childrens novels. Instead of "See Spot run" we'd have,

"See Regulus happily charge the Eldar". "Regulus was mad, he has a red helm."
"The Eldar was mostly innocent, but he didn't live in the light of the Emprah"
"Regulus knew. He knew the Eldar needed to die"
"See Regulus commit [sensored due to the graphic nature of this scene]"
"The Eldar ceased to exist in the Emprah's name"

Man, I am gonna help GW make sooooooo much money with this idea.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
SO...

No double special weapons for tacticals.
No CCW (even as a pay-for option).
No meaningful cost reductions.
No improvement to the Assault Squads, your window to the Land of Bland.

Just some formation rules that would seem cheesey in a vacuum but pale next to the recent fondue-a-go-go that are various xeno codices.
Oh, and the devastators with grav, whoopdie doo.

Just LOL@u if you still play SM. In fact, LOL@u if you still play, period.

Nice new models though.

So you've seen the stuff? Would you mind posting it?

Read the thread. The unit entries for tacticals, assault and devastators have all been posted. No significant changes.

The #1 issue with the marine codex is.....marines. The vehicles are passable, bikes are good, the characters are largely solid, but terminators have sucked for 15+ years, tacticals are hilariously out gunned and classed by virtually every other troop choice in the game, Devastators are too fragile for their points and the assault marines couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, and they all die like chumps for the cost. The problem is that every single tidbit we have seen doesn't change these facts, which basically means grav-star and bikes will reign supreme unless they some how break those too, or the new formations are hilarious overpowered.

A new codex is supposed to herald new play styles in my opinion. Something to get excited about.....this has none of that so far.