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All those free points! Summoning, battle company, war convo... Free point lists held half the top 8 going into round 5. Seems like the name of the game nowadays.

Congratulations to both! Are either of their lists available yet?

TastyTaste did a write-up before the event and has a couple of the lists pre-event. Not sure if they changed but they are there in the link below. Includes Sisks, Pajamapants, InControl and a couple of other notables.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/07/09/tits-tournaments-bay-area-open-2015-coverage-begins/

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niv-mizzet wrote:
All those free points! Summoning, battle company, war convo... Free point lists held half the top 8 going into round 5. Seems like the name of the game nowadays.

"Points values. Who needs them?" - GW long term strategy director. Actual quote.

There is nothing wrong with that philosophy.

BAO Day 1 was really fun, day 2 was gak for me I went 2/1 on the first day with a really close game one (7-5 loss) (where a wraithknight stomp killed JUST shadowsun and the buffsuit out of the whole bomb on turn 1 ) Then I went on to win 2. On day 2 since I was playing a Shadowsight Bomb which relies on 2+ cover to stay alive, I faced a space marine mech list that had a gak ton of whirlwinds and vindicators and thunderfires, and then went on to play castle Tau which was annoying so basically day 2 was against my 2 hardest counters in Ignores Cover armies. If any of you have followed my playing I have played the FBomb for a long time, and this was actually my last tournament playing the Farsight Bomb... been fun though.

Thank you to Reece and Frankie along to the staff and voulenteers to make the even run smoothly. Although I finished with a lackluster 2/3 score, I did pick up the nickname pajamapants junior because of my sweet pants on the first day, thanks Jim

I also might be making a large change in who i play (represent) for coming up too.... but thats all for now


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MVBrandt wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
All those free points! Summoning, battle company, war convo... Free point lists held half the top 8 going into round 5. Seems like the name of the game nowadays.

"Points values. Who needs them?" - GW long term strategy director. Actual quote.

Lol... does seem to be their actual strategy.

 winterman wrote:

Congratulations to both! Are either of their lists available yet?

TastyTaste did a write-up before the event and has a couple of the lists pre-event. Not sure if they changed but they are there in the link below. Includes Sisks, Pajamapants, InControl and a couple of other notables.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/07/09/tits-tournaments-bay-area-open-2015-coverage-begins/

Are those lists correct?

Rynner wrote:

 winterman wrote:

Congratulations to both! Are either of their lists available yet?

TastyTaste did a write-up before the event and has a couple of the lists pre-event. Not sure if they changed but they are there in the link below. Includes Sisks, Pajamapants, InControl and a couple of other notables.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/07/09/tits-tournaments-bay-area-open-2015-coverage-begins/

Are those lists correct?

I can attest to Alex Gonzalez's list being correct. I played him in the final round, during which he annihilated my army!

Ok guys got my final BAO post. Added tons of pictures and most importantly the top four table lists.

Enjoy!

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/07/13/tits-tournaments-bay-area-open-2015-pics-lists-results/

Congatz to Pajama Pants for winning another GT! Nicely done.

Mike Fox, congratz on best painted!

Israel Sanchez, congratz on Ren. Man!

Thank you so much to everyone that came, that was the best BAO yet, ran so smoothly. Thanks to the volunteers, and to everyone else that made it happen. We really appreciate the support.

We got back at 1am, last night, still sleepy and getting caught up. With have all the results, shortly.

After going 3-1, and both my games winning on near pure luck, its time to up my game.
1: IG may not be competitve by themselves, but they can be with proper allies
2: Skyhammer is very much a underpower formation. On paper its great. But to many rules ignore the pinning, requires lotsa combos between devs and assaults. and the assault squads need an anti-scatter, which is sadly very low.
3: Jello shots before a game is a good idea.

Woot Geoff, driving the Admech to 2nd.

Does someone know how the lists looked that included renegades? I read there was one Tau/Renegades and one Daemonkin/Renegades list. I would be very thankful.

mahddoc wrote:
Does someone know how the lists looked that included renegades? I read there was one Tau/Renegades and one Daemonkin/Renegades list. I would be very thankful.

I can ask Carlos about his Tau/Renegades list next time I see him.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/07/14/results-and-pictures-from-the-bao/

Event results and some awesome pictures!

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

mahddoc wrote:
Does someone know how the lists looked that included renegades? I read there was one Tau/Renegades and one Daemonkin/Renegades list. I would be very thankful.

I can ask Carlos about his Tau/Renegades list next time I see him.

I can give you the Ball Park, since we shared a ride to San Jose.

A squadron of 2 or 3 "Colossus" , S8, AP 3, pie-plate Ignores Cover, barrage, tanks (like a Basilisk tank)
Kharne the Betrayer
Lotsa zombies (2 big blobs)
Tau FireBase Support Cadre

And other stuff I cannae recall.

It seems every event has my primary faction wrong. The Bugeater had eldar but i was harlequins and at the bao i was eldar but im listed as tau. Lol

 Tomb King wrote:
It seems every event has my primary faction wrong. The Bugeater had eldar but i was harlequins and at the bao i was eldar but im listed as tau. Lol

If you would just stick to Necrons you would not have that problem.

I wonder how many firebase cadres there were.

Apparently not enough.

I saw on Frontline's web page that a player named Trevor Sandoval got 20th with just GK. Does anyone have an idea what his list was? 20th is pretty impressive given how limited the GK 'dex is.

Do you guys still think the Eldar nerfs are appropriate considering it limits their options and causes lack of variety? The proof is in the pudding: Newdar don't win GTs, so why are they singled out as the army that's being houseruled against?

Did you experiment running these GTs without the Eldar nerfs? Were Eldar unbeatable then? I highly doubt it.

I'm fine if you think it's still appropriate, but I recommend that you keep monitoring the results in the future.

My gripe with nerfs like this is that they're so arbitrary -- Even random. There's a lot to fix in the game, yet some things are singled out and others left as is.

 Therion wrote:
Do you guys still think the Eldar nerfs are appropriate considering it limits their options and causes lack of variety? The proof is in the pudding: Newdar don't win GTs, so why are they singled out as the army that's being houseruled against?

Did you experiment running these GTs without the Eldar nerfs? Were Eldar unbeatable then? I highly doubt it.

I'm fine if you think it's still appropriate, but I recommend that you keep monitoring the results in the future.

My gripe with nerfs like this is that they're so arbitrary -- Even random. There's a lot to fix in the game, yet some things are singled out and others left as is.

FLG and Co have come to an important realizations.
That ruling for the Top tables dont matter. Weird and strange lists are gonna make it there. They rule for the mid tables.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Therion wrote:
Do you guys still think the Eldar nerfs are appropriate considering it limits their options and causes lack of variety? The proof is in the pudding: Newdar don't win GTs, so why are they singled out as the army that's being houseruled against?

Did you experiment running these GTs without the Eldar nerfs? Were Eldar unbeatable then? I highly doubt it.

I'm fine if you think it's still appropriate, but I recommend that you keep monitoring the results in the future.

My gripe with nerfs like this is that they're so arbitrary -- Even random. There's a lot to fix in the game, yet some things are singled out and others left as is.

FLG and Co have come to an important realizations.
That ruling for the Top tables dont matter. Weird and strange lists are gonna make it there. They rule for the mid tables.

There is also no elder specific nerf.
The only nerf to elder in itc is a nerf to all range str d and dscythe. Which appear on many forge world units not specific to elder.
However the only change I'd like to see them roll back is the fact str d doesn't count as str 10 for insta death purposes which seems odd and unnneeded.
The reduction of wounds or really hull points (since most infantry models dies to 2 wounds anyway) seems appropriate because unchanged str d just obliterates vehicles.

As mentioned above, the only "nerfs" as I recall were to ranged D weapons and that only really affected the wraith units' shooting. Otherwise Eldar were unaffected by any other ruling or "nerf" in the ITCformat. I think wraith units are still strong enough with the nerf, without it they would be "point click and dead." I do think they should revisit the "not counting as S10 for ID" as it does take a lot of oomph out of them, also as previously mentioned. Kind of sad that they then become less scary to things with T5 or less as you go from 100% chance of killing the model to only 50% chance of doing 2 wounds. :(

Regardless, if I could have made it, I would have loved to see how a wraith-centric list would have taken me, which is likely what I would have brought.

You probably didn't see as much Eldar as you were expecting because of the new SM release.

We saw lots of Eldar. But not as primary. Thus, why you don't see it much in the results.

 Brothererekose wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

mahddoc wrote:
Does someone know how the lists looked that included renegades? I read there was one Tau/Renegades and one Daemonkin/Renegades list. I would be very thankful.

I can ask Carlos about his Tau/Renegades list next time I see him.

I can give you the Ball Park, since we shared a ride to San Jose.

A squadron of 2 or 3 "Colossus" , S8, AP 3, pie-plate Ignores Cover, barrage, tanks (like a Basilisk tank)
Kharne the Betrayer
Lotsa zombies (2 big blobs)
Tau FireBase Support Cadre

And other stuff I cannae recall.

Thanks alot that gives me a good idea about the list. Now the list i am missing is i think the list of Douglas “Jouglas” Johnson. Somebody got a rough idea what he did use?

I'd like to know about any daemonkin lists of note, if anyone can help? Not sure what the highest placing for daemonkin was, but anything would be of interest!

mahddoc wrote:
Thanks alot that gives me a good idea about the list. Now the list i am missing is i think the list of Douglas “Jouglas” Johnson. Somebody got a rough idea what he did use?

Also known as "Warboss Dugg", but "Jouglas" has been used to bust his chops in a few GT result listings.

I cruised by his table and talked briefly. It looked like he brought his "Hobby Breaker", or a variant of it that he'd brought to GTs before. His Deployment Zone for game 5 (Dawn of War deployment) was nearly full of models.

Sorry that I'm even less helpful here, but you could try a 'Net Search of adding the phrase "Hobby Breaker" (my quick search turned up a few things, including a batrep video where he looks waaay younger than now). But no list.

It's Thudd guns and other tremendous volume fire for IG that you get with FW models.


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 Vomikron Noxis wrote:
I'd like to know about any daemonkin lists of note, if anyone can help? Not sure what the highest placing for daemonkin was, but anything would be of interest!

Pajama Pants' list is on a link in Tasty Taste's BloodofKittens blog, briefly, Fate, Slaany DP, 2 Pinky units, Be'lakor, etc.

mahddoc wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

mahddoc wrote:
Does someone know how the lists looked that included renegades? I read there was one Tau/Renegades and one Daemonkin/Renegades list. I would be very thankful.

I can ask Carlos about his Tau/Renegades list next time I see him.

I can give you the Ball Park, since we shared a ride to San Jose.

A squadron of 2 or 3 "Colossus" , S8, AP 3, pie-plate Ignores Cover, barrage, tanks (like a Basilisk tank)
Kharne the Betrayer
Lotsa zombies (2 big blobs)
Tau FireBase Support Cadre

And other stuff I cannae recall.

Thanks alot that gives me a good idea about the list. Now the list i am missing is i think the list of Douglas “Jouglas” Johnson. Somebody got a rough idea what he did use?

It also has a Medusa in there.
I played that list. If I didnt get seized on, I would have had a Fighting chance

That must have been painful !