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Edit: You have to be careful what words you use to google image search at work. VERY careful...

 jreilly89 wrote:
After three pages, this thread descended exactly into what I thought it would.


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OT: I really don't see what made Jackson so great. Economic or social impact, I think he could stand to be replaced. And yeah, I think having a woman on the $20 bill would be good. Most women already feel marginalized from government, despite having Susan B. Anthony on the gold dollar (which I've only had maybe 4 or 5 times) vs. Jackson on the $20, which I've had countless of.

Also, the person who is gonna move to Canada if they take Jackson off the $20? Here, I'll buy you a ticket with my new all women dollar bills.

Militarily he was a huge deal, the battle of New Orleans was a huge moral boost to the country at the time. Which after losing the war of 1812 and our country being less than 40 years old at the time was a pretty needed thing.

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
And yeah, I think having a woman on the $20 bill would be good. Most women already feel marginalized from government, despite having Susan B. Anthony on the gold dollar (which I've only had maybe 4 or 5 times) vs. Jackson on the $20, which I've had countless of.

Good call! Instead of encouraging more women to enter government, we should just slap some random one of questionable historical gravitas on our currency to appease them. Good call.

Can't we just wait 5 or 6 years after Hilary is inevitably elected and then dies during her second term?

I'm all for women entering government, but don't you think it's hard for women to enter occupations where they feel marginalized? It's the same thing as Engineering and Science fields.

And don't start with Hilary. Her and Palin are literally the only women i wouldn't vote for.


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 Ustrello wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
After three pages, this thread descended exactly into what I thought it would.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
OT: I really don't see what made Jackson so great. Economic or social impact, I think he could stand to be replaced. And yeah, I think having a woman on the $20 bill would be good. Most women already feel marginalized from government, despite having Susan B. Anthony on the gold dollar (which I've only had maybe 4 or 5 times) vs. Jackson on the $20, which I've had countless of.

Also, the person who is gonna move to Canada if they take Jackson off the $20? Here, I'll buy you a ticket with my new all women dollar bills.

Militarily he was a huge deal, the battle of New Orleans was a huge moral boost to the country at the time. Which after losing the war of 1812 and our country being less than 40 years old at the time was a pretty needed thing.

And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace. He also caused or at least affected the economic depression during the late 1830's. Do I think he was a bad president/person? No, but I think there are more important historical figures then him.

 jreilly89 wrote:
After three pages, this thread descended exactly into what I thought it would.


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OT: I really don't see what made Jackson so great. Economic or social impact, I think he could stand to be replaced. And yeah, I think having a woman on the $20 bill would be good. Most women already feel marginalized from government, despite having Susan B. Anthony on the gold dollar (which I've only had maybe 4 or 5 times) vs. Jackson on the $20, which I've had countless of.

Also, the person who is gonna move to Canada if they take Jackson off the $20? Here, I'll buy you a ticket with my new all women dollar bills.

The dicklash began on about post number three.

What makes Jackson greater than Tubman is he had more Y chromosomes.

How about 'Pine Leaf Woman?"
A Native American warrior woman that wrecked face.(Assuming by "America" we're not just talking about the US government.)
http://minimumwagehistorian.com/2014/01/29/pine-leaf-woman/


And here's a picture I drew of her.

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

 jreilly89 wrote:

I'm all for women entering government, but don't you think it's hard for women to enter occupations where they feel marginalized? It's the same thing as Engineering and Science fields.

And don't start with Hilary. Her and Palin are literally the only women i wouldn't vote for..

I really do not think the reason women don't go into politics is due to them feeling marginalized. I think its the very nature of the job and the BS that goes with is why. Women look at Sarah Palin's experience and don't want to go into politics not because Palin was marginalized but due to level of BS that she and very importantly her family received. The fact that people dragged Palins teenage daughter through the mud in the tabloids and the news is very off putting to those women.

Also politics is not a family friendly institution. To really be successful in politics it means you have heavily focus on your career probably at the cost of other things. The average politician spends many hours away from the family working, raising money, traveling around the country to various events, etc. Vast majority of women want to spend time with kids either being a stay at home mom or work full time but still be at their kids soccer game on Saturday.

I mean you can slap a woman on the $20 dollar bill if you want, but seriously doubt that would even move the dial on the amount of women in politics if the issues I described remain in place.

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

Honestly? Go for it. The only three I really care about being there are Benny F, Georgey, and Lincoln. Couldn't care less about the others

 Kilkrazy wrote:


What makes Jackson greater than Tubman is he had more Y chromosomes.

Tubman escorted an estimated 300 people...

Again..feel good story. Hardly worth putting on our currency.

Jefferson deserves a higher place in our list of forefathers if anything.

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

I'm all for women entering government, but don't you think it's hard for women to enter occupations where they feel marginalized? It's the same thing as Engineering and Science fields.

And don't start with Hilary. Her and Palin are literally the only women i wouldn't vote for..

I really do not think the reason women don't go into politics is due to them feeling marginalized. I think its the very nature of the job and the BS that goes with is why. Women look at Sarah Palin's experience and don't want to go into politics not because Palin was marginalized but due to level of BS that she and very importantly her family received. The fact that people dragged Palins teenage daughter through the mud in the tabloids and the news is very off putting to those women.

Also politics is not a family friendly institution. To really be successful in politics it means you have heavily focus on your career probably at the cost of other things. The average politician spends many hours away from the family working, raising money, traveling around the country to various events, etc. Vast majority of women want to spend time with kids either being a stay at home mom or work full time but still be at their kids soccer game on Saturday.

I mean you can slap a woman on the $20 dollar bill if you want, but seriously doubt that would even move the dial on the amount of women in politics if the issues I described remain in place.

A lot of good points, Blood Hawk. I don't think it would be a one fix solution, but do think it would help. As far as all the bs, I'm sure Palin got that treatment because she was a woman. Politics is all about mudslinging and if you're a women it's worse. Compare the situation: two people running for president, same pltform, party, race, etc. The press does some digging and find out that these people were adulterous/made a porno/had multiple partners and drug use. Who do you think will receive more societal shaming?


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:


What makes Jackson greater than Tubman is he had more Y chromosomes.

Tubman escorted an estimated 300 people...

Again..feel good story. Hardly worth putting on our currency.

Yeah, because feel good stories are all it was. Hell, get rid of MLK, Jackie Robinson, Lincoln, JFK, Rosa Parks, they're all just feel good stories!

How many slaves did Jackson, a rich, powerful privileged white man escort to freedom?

 jreilly89 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

Honestly? Go for it. The only three I really care about being there are Benny F, Georgey, and Lincoln. Couldn't care less about the others

Without Jefferson the first two have far less impact.

Jefferson is, arguably, the most important figure in all of US History.

Harriett Tubman doesn't even make the Smithsonian's top 10 for important females.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
How many slaves did Jackson, a rich, powerful privileged white man escort to freedom?

Who cares?



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 jreilly89 wrote:


Yeah, because feel good stories are all it was. Hell, get rid of MLK, Jackie Robinson, Lincoln, JFK, Rosa Parks, they're all just feel good stories!

Comparing her to MLK or Jackie Robinson is pretty silly.

Rosa Parks was simply a chosen face.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

I'm all for women entering government, but don't you think it's hard for women to enter occupations where they feel marginalized? It's the same thing as Engineering and Science fields.

And don't start with Hilary. Her and Palin are literally the only women i wouldn't vote for..

I really do not think the reason women don't go into politics is due to them feeling marginalized. I think its the very nature of the job and the BS that goes with is why. Women look at Sarah Palin's experience and don't want to go into politics not because Palin was marginalized but due to level of BS that she and very importantly her family received. The fact that people dragged Palins teenage daughter through the mud in the tabloids and the news is very off putting to those women.

Also politics is not a family friendly institution. To really be successful in politics it means you have heavily focus on your career probably at the cost of other things. The average politician spends many hours away from the family working, raising money, traveling around the country to various events, etc. Vast majority of women want to spend time with kids either being a stay at home mom or work full time but still be at their kids soccer game on Saturday.

I mean you can slap a woman on the $20 dollar bill if you want, but seriously doubt that would even move the dial on the amount of women in politics if the issues I described remain in place.

A lot of good points, Blood Hawk. I don't think it would be a one fix solution, but do think it would help. As far as all the bs, I'm sure Palin got that treatment because she was a woman. Politics is all about mudslinging and if you're a women it's worse. Compare the situation: two people running for president, same pltform, party, race, etc. The press does some digging and find out that these people were adulterous/made a porno/had multiple partners and drug use. Who do you think will receive more societal shaming?

The woman probably would, though the irony of course is that I am sure a lot (perhaps most) of that would be coming from other women.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

Honestly? Go for it. The only three I really care about being there are Benny F, Georgey, and Lincoln. Couldn't care less about the others

Washington owned slaves also, he did free them but he did own them. Soo...yeah

 Ghazkuul wrote:
LBJ Tried to kill my beloved Marine Corps, may his soul rot in hell :-D

Would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling devildogs.

I'm all for putting a woman on US currency but their choice seems more like affirmative action than a well-considered move...surely there has been a more influential woman in US history that Harriet Tubman.

 Ustrello wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

Honestly? Go for it. The only three I really care about being there are Benny F, Georgey, and Lincoln. Couldn't care less about the others

Washington owned slaves also, he did free them but he did own them. Soo...yeah

He didn't however play peacekeeper in an era where people were demanding freedom of slaves. Jackson passed several measures to either remove or set aside anti-slavery acts.


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 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

Honestly? Go for it. The only three I really care about being there are Benny F, Georgey, and Lincoln. Couldn't care less about the others

Without Jefferson the first two have far less impact.

Jefferson is, arguably, the most important figure in all of US History.

Harriett Tubman doesn't even make the Smithsonian's top 10 for important females.

Hilary Clinton, Sarah Palin, and Bette Davis did. I'm not sure I would agree with the Smithsonian's choices.

 jreilly89 wrote:
After three pages, this thread descended exactly into what I thought it would.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
OT: I really don't see what made Jackson so great. Economic or social impact, I think he could stand to be replaced. And yeah, I think having a woman on the $20 bill would be good. Most women already feel marginalized from government, despite having Susan B. Anthony on the gold dollar (which I've only had maybe 4 or 5 times) vs. Jackson on the $20, which I've had countless of.

Also, the person who is gonna move to Canada if they take Jackson off the $20? Here, I'll buy you a ticket with my new all women dollar bills.

Considering that US already had an black president yet no black people in bills it does seem like that the gender of the people in the bills would not affect peoples interest in politics.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I'm all for putting a woman on US currency but their choice seems more like affirmative action than a well-considered move...surely there has been a more influential woman in US history that Harriet Tubman.

Possibly, but it was chosen by vote.

I want Fat Elvis on the $20!

Rock on, big guy! Rock on!

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I'm all for putting a woman on US currency but their choice seems more like affirmative action than a well-considered move...surely there has been a more influential woman in US history that Harriet Tubman.

I'm incredibly opposed to this. However, if provided lets say, thirty free samples I might be less opposed.


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 kronk wrote:
I want Fat Elvis on the $20!

Rock on, big guy! Rock on!

There is great wisdom here.

I toss in


Doc Holiday!

 jreilly89 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


And he also was pro-slavery, or at least in terms of keeping the peace.

So was Jefferson!

Take him off our currency!

Honestly? Go for it. The only three I really care about being there are Benny F, Georgey, and Lincoln. Couldn't care less about the others

Thomas Jefferson is probably the greatest American to ever live. Without his influence we might not even have a United States. He wrote the freaking Declaration of Independence. Plus, he influenced practically every aspect of our nations beginnings. How can you say that? Clearly next to him Jackson is nobody. Then again - so is Lincoln.

A new challenger has landed!

Y'know, I could see her on some for of bill, maybe a 75$ bill?

If they want to get rid of Jackson they should put Ronald Reagan on the $20.

 stanman wrote:
If they want to get rid of Jackson they should put Ronald Reagan on the $20.

With Ollie north selling missiles to Iran on the reverse.

 stanman wrote:
If they want to get rid of Jackson they should put Ronald Reagan on the $20.

A questionable pick - but still better than Tubman.

How about Kennedy? Launched our nation into a new era of exploration. Prevented Nuclear war and started the peace corps.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 stanman wrote:
If they want to get rid of Jackson they should put Ronald Reagan on the $20.

A questionable pick - but still better than Tubman.

How about Kennedy? Launched our nation into a new era of exploration. Prevented Nuclear war and started the peace corps.

Plowed Marilyn Monroe.